By-Election on Thursday.

Pride Fighter

Seen as there is not a thread on this I'll set one up.

There is a by-election in Dublin West to fill the seat by the late Brian Lenihan. As it is it is looking like it is a 4 horse race between Fianna Fail, Fine Gael, Labour and the ULA. It is looking like the latter 3 have the better chance with Fianna Fail being transfer toxic. Sinn Fein will get a sizeable vote but this will be down to transfers.

Any thoughts?

thebman

Of those the FF candidate is best, I actually thought the Green candidate performed best anytime I saw anything about this on TV.

Pride Fighter

thebman wrote: »

Of those the FF candidate is best, I actually thought the Green candidate performed best anytime I saw anything about this on TV.

I think David McGuinness is absolutely useless. At least he is from the area, but the fact he is a weak candidate and a Fianna Failer will not stand to him. He'll do well, he's trying to be positive anyway.

From what I've seen Roderic is certainly an excellent candidate and I'll agree with you. I also think Patrick Nulty and Paul Donnelly are good candidates too.

MadsL

I was suprised to see no black candidate being put forward. Of all constituencies, this would seem to me where a black candidate would come from. Not making any racial slurs here, just suprised no-one has stepped up for the 'new Irish' vote...

Then again, if we let tax-payers vote...

mikemac

Clement Esebamen ran last time
Extensive CV and lots of experience on various quangos, yet another of these advisors that Ministers love to employ

Finished dead last in the general election for Dublin West
No shame in trying anyway. But he isn't running this time

cavedave

I imagine most people here have an interest not just in politicians or even their policies but in how government is run. It you read the political theory subsection various ideas pop up on how to run a country. If you read sci-fi various imagined worlds of futarchy, technocracy, anarchist communes,direct democracy etc. These sorts of other governments might be nice to try as an experiment but the cost is usually far to high. If we elect a direct democracy TD and the text vote he receives tells him to vote no to a budget due to the vat on childrens shoes that usually could have major consequences.

But at the moment a political experiment would not be so risky. The government have a sizable majority so one extra or less is very unlikely to affect any votes. Our financial decisions are being made to a large extent by the troika, so TDs have less power than usual. If we accept Dublin West is at a good moment for a political experiment who is there to vote for?

This sort of thing you can only expect from independents. Peadar O Ceallaigh wants a second parallel currency. Which is interesting but I doubt it could exist in Dublin West alone and it is not about how government can be done. Brendan Patrick Doris. He has some sort of direct democracy idea "People to choose representatives that will always vote according to a specific mandate on every issue" this uses some sort of convention in the constituency.

I dont know this would work. I think it probably wouldn't. It is implementable though. It is an interesting experiment on how a government could be run and I think this is an ideal time for such an experiment. If I had a choice in what political experiments to run this would not be the one id choose. But the option to try something new with very little potential cost is there.

Sunnyisland

Any updates on how is it going to go here ?

caseyann

MadsL wrote: »

I was suprised to see no black candidate being put forward. Of all constituencies, this would seem to me where a black candidate would come from. Not making any racial slurs here, just suprised no-one has stepped up for the 'new Irish' vote...

Then again, if we let tax-payers vote...

Anyone who jumped off a boat is not Irish and should be in no place of power in anything to do with Irish government.
Second generation perhaps.
Piece of paper doesnt make you Irish.
And just look at the liar who took the mayor seat few years back.
No thanks we have enough thieves and money grabbers in there for money and perks.Soon you will want sharia law supporters in the Dáil.

[MOD]Enough of your constant racism, caseyann. Banned for a week.[/MOD]

cavedave

caseyann

Anyone who jumped off a boat is not Irish and should be in no place of power in anything to do with Irish government.

So you would not have let Madeleine Albright, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Henry A. Kissinger, Marcus Garvey or Chaim Herzog into government?

caseyann

cavedave wrote: »

So you would not have let Madeleine Albright, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Henry A. Kissinger, Marcus Garvey or Chaim Herzog into government?

Nope not a one and definitely not Arnie lol Unless they had Irish descended blood and proper ties to Ireland.

Diddler1977

caseyann wrote: »

Anyone who jumped off a boat is not Irish and should be in no place of power in anything to do with Irish government.

Why not?

caseyann

Diddler1977 wrote: »

Why not?

Because they have not nor any of their families invested in this country nor are they born here.I dont trust our own in government as is i am hardly going to trust someone who claims he says he is this person and could be someone completely different and have not one clue of his background.As we have seen already with a previous mayor.
As you can see UK and Holland doing really well in that area of outsiders having any political power.

Mr.Micro

Diddler1977 wrote: »

Why not?

Please don't ask her...we have to endure her answer:rolleyes:

Too late

caseyann

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Please don't ask her...we have to endure her answer:rolleyes:

Too late

What why?

Diddler1977

caseyann wrote: »

Because they have not nor any of their families invested in this country nor are they born here.I dont trust our own in government as is i am hardly going to trust someone who claims he says he is this person and could be someone completely different and have not one clue of his background.As we have seen already with a previous mayor.
As you can see UK and Holland doing really well in that area of outsiders having any political power.

Is there a Thumbs down button?

caseyann

Diddler1977 wrote: »

Is there a Thumbs down button?

If you dont like answers you are going to get dont ask them.;)

Mr.Micro

caseyann wrote: »

If you dont like answers you are going to get dont ask them.;)

I asked him not to ask...but he did:(

caseyann

Anyways back to the thread.I have no clue who will be suited there but only the people living there can tell who has done most for the community.

ArmaniJeanss

caseyann wrote: »

Anyone who jumped off a boat is not Irish and should be in no place of power in anything to do with Irish government.
Second generation perhaps.

Just perhaps? So people who lived here 30 years, been educated here, worked here, married here, suddenly have a 'perhaps' against their name when it comes to being allowed to stand for election???
Jesus wept, I've just realised my own Dad, as both his parents came seperately from England to Ireland as children during WWI wouldn't have been allowed stand for election under your mad scheme.

caseyann wrote: »

Soon you will want sharia law supporters in the Dáil.

Because wondering why no recent immigrants are standing in a constituency with a high immigrant population is one step down from wanting sharia law????

Mr.Micro

caseyann wrote: »

Anyways back to the thread.I have no clue who will be suited there but only the people living there can tell who has done most for the community.

TBH the other election has dominated and I don't think there has been much on the news about it. I have no idea who is ahead in the polls there, even if there was a poll. The Sindo tried on Sunday to paint the previous FF TD as a patriot in an effort IMO to stir sympathy and vote FF.

ArmaniJeanss

Could be the first bye-election in about 20 years to return a government TD with Loftus (FG) and more especially Nulty (Labour) having reasonable chances.

Nulty comes from a seperate side of the party to Joan Burton and tends to distance himself from the government in his canvassing. This could play well on the doors, though obviously as a backbench TD there will be little or nothing he can do. Favourite.

Eithne Loftus was a surprise choice for FG. Kieran Dennison ran with Leo Varadkar in the last GE and polled respectably, but FG seem to have made a decision to go for the Castleknock vote of Brian Lenihan. Whether this will work I don't know, they haven't canvassed in my area (Mulhuddart) at all that I can see. Second Favourite.

Ruth Coppinger (Socialist ULA) will poll well in the poorer suburbs. Socialists do a lot out this way. 3rd favourite, has an outside squeak if she can stay ahead of Nulty and get transfers.

Donnelly Sinn Fein. Never do well here despite it being prime territory for them. Concentrating resources on presidential campaign, respectable 4th here.

LOL FF candidate no chance, could be outpolled by Green party guy.

Loads of mental independents as well, some guy off the apprentice and someone from something called fisnua who wants D15 to have its own currency I think, and someone from Arklow!!

Prediction. Nulty Labour.

caseyann

Mr.Micro wrote: »

TBH the other election has dominated and I don't think there has been much on the news about it. I have no idea who is ahead in the polls there, even if there was a poll. The Sindo tried on Sunday to paint the previous FF TD as a patriot in an effort IMO to stir sympathy and vote FF.

To be honest i haven't heard much of anything about it barr the fact its happening.
Sympathy votes for FF that is some fat chance.:D
I would imagine the people cant be swayed to much when its a community vote?

MarkK

caseyann wrote: »

Because they have not nor any of their families invested in this country nor are they born here.I dont trust our own in government as is i am hardly going to trust someone who claims he says he is this person and could be someone completely different and have not one clue of his background.

However if we know that someone has been involved in a group whose "investment in the country" was performing armed robberies on our banks & supermarkets and kidnapping our business people, and maintains that all of this was ok as it was "politically motivated" they are worthy of a vote?

caseyann

MarkK wrote: »

However if we know that someone has been involved in a group whose "investment in the country" was performing armed robberies on our banks & supermarkets and kidnapping our business people, and maintains that all of this was ok as it was "politically motivated" they are worthy of a vote?

Yes i am going to vote Irish before i vote foreign everyday of the week.

I am going to stick with Irish who have proven record of peace and leadership and actually paid and families paid in Ireland through all means of life,rather than someone who doesnt have any alliance to Ireland or Irish thanks.

p.s no proof so move along with your propaganda.

caseyann

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Just perhaps? So people who lived here 30 years, been educated here, worked here, married here, suddenly have a 'perhaps' against their name when it comes to being allowed to stand for election???
Jesus wept, I've just realised my own Dad, as both his parents came seperately from England to Ireland as children during WWI wouldn't have been allowed stand for election under your mad scheme.



Because wondering why no recent immigrants are standing in a constituency with a high immigrant population is one step down from wanting sharia law????

Different times and if they had allegiance to Irish flag then no issues with them.As i said growing up in Ireland from a child age is a different kettle of fish altogether.
People who get off the boat and claim they are who they are not and no way to prove who they are and no ties to Ireland barr a piece of paper and making money is not someone i want running in any office thanks.

No you should be ok with second generation who actually love this country running but not someone who just bailed off a boat and think a piece of paper makes them Irish.
No because you are opening doors to just that like UK etc.. have done and what a mess.

Godge

caseyann wrote: »

Yes i am going to vote Irish before i vote foreign everyday of the week.

I am going to stick with Irish who have proven record of peace and leadership and actually paid and families paid in Ireland through all means of life,rather than someone who doesnt have any alliance to Ireland or Irish thanks.

p.s no proof so move along with your propaganda.

I take it from your position on immigrants voting that you detest parties that support the right of immigrants to vote and to take a full part in our democracy. Such as Sinn Fein?

http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2009/Policies_Racism.pdf

Scofflaw

Diddler1977 wrote: »

caseyann wrote:

Because they have not nor any of their families invested in this country nor are they born here.I dont trust our own in government as is i am hardly going to trust someone who claims he says he is this person and could be someone completely different and have not one clue of his background.As we have seen already with a previous mayor.
As you can see UK and Holland doing really well in that area of outsiders having any political power.

Is there a Thumbs down button?

No, but there is a Report Post button, and a banhammer. Caseyann banned for a week for racism.

moderately,
Scofflaw

Sponge Bob

caseyann wrote: »

Yes i am going to vote Irish before i vote foreign everyday of the week.

I am going to stick with Irish who have proven record of peace and leadership

How did that Spanish American mongrel De Valera ever get de schtart in this country one wonders???

PomBear

cavedave wrote: »

So you would not have let Madeleine Albright, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Henry A. Kissinger, Marcus Garvey or Chaim Herzog into government?

I would have, she's a fox!

mickoneill30

Does anybody from Swords (in the Dublin West area) have any clue who to vote for. All the candidates are from Dublin 15, Finglas or further away (how is a guy that lives in Wicklow on the ballot???)

http://dublincountyreturningofficer.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=119&Itemid=125

I live about 6Km from the sea, but I'm in Dublin West.

At the moment I have a few of the usual suspects that I won't ever vote for so my paper will be arranged in the order of the least worst candidates, rather than anybody I really want to have representing me. I'm not too happy about that though.

The Volt

Jim Tallon ran in Wicklow earlier this year if my memory serves me correctly.

Pepe LeFrits

It's a pretty uninspiring group to choose from.

He's not getting my first preference but it's looking like I'll give my effective vote to Nulty, partially because I think he'll be more of an independent voice in the Dail than Loftus, and partially because I've met him twice now out in the mornings and his team another two times, while I've neither seen nor heard a thing from Loftus. The only canvassers who showed up at the door were FF, and though they spent most of the time canvassing for Brian Lenihan, they get points for showing up.

Thinking O'Gorman 1, Nulty 2, Loftus or McGuinness 3.

Pride Fighter

mickoneill30 wrote: »

Does anybody from Swords (in the Dublin West area) have any clue who to vote for. All the candidates are from Dublin 15, Finglas or further away (how is a guy that lives in Wicklow on the ballot???)

http://dublincountyreturningofficer.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=119&Itemid=125

I live about 6Km from the sea, but I'm in Dublin West.

At the moment I have a few of the usual suspects that I won't ever vote for so my paper will be arranged in the order of the least worst candidates, rather than anybody I really want to have representing me. I'm not too happy about that though.

You should vote for the political party you feel you are most attached to. On the other hand, I know that both the Labour candidate and Fianna Fail did specific Swords leaflets, whereas Sinn Fein, Socialists and Fine Gael were talking about Blanchardstown on all of theirs.

Raskolnikov

Fianna Fáil have a shout of taking the Dublin Mid-West seat apparently.

Labour 25%, Fianna Fáil 22%, Socialist Party 20%.

yosser hughes

It's shocking that a Fianna Faíl candidate got so many first preferences.:(
Depressing in fact.

Hermy

Would there be an element of a sympathy vote given Lenihan's untimely death?

Pepe LeFrits

That's a shocking count. I'm ashamed for Dublin West. Is Castleknock included in that?

steelcityblues

The FF voters haven't got away, unfortunately.

Mr.Micro

steelcityblues wrote: »

The FF voters haven't got away, unfortunately.

Many still living in a bubble. Sheep.

steelcityblues

Barry Caesar Hunt - what a name!

Sunnyisland

steel city blues wrote: »

Barry Caesar Hunt - what a name!

He is just an apprentice

Sunnyisland

Dublin West by-election FIRST COUNT: Patrick Nulty 8,665; David McGuinness 7,742; Ruth Coppinger 7,542; Eithne Loftus 5,263; Paul Donnelly 3,173; Roderic O'Gorman 1,787; Barry Ceasar Hunt 775; John Frank Kidd 311; Gerry Bermingham 185; Brendan Patrick Doris 95; Jim Tallon 73; Beeny Cooney 51; Peadar O Ceallaigh 40


Cheeses FF got 7,742 1st preferences :-(

Annasopra

Delighted for Patrick Nulty TD

Annasopra

Delighted for Patrick Nulty TD

steelcityblues

mango salsa wrote: »

Delighted for Patrick Nulty TD

Are you delighted that the working class hero voted against a debate on the €700m Anglo money the other night?

Just another govt useful idiot, it looks like.

Ozymandius2011

Shows there's a FF seat there next time. A floor has been placed under FF in Dublin. He even outpolled Lenihan. I won't vote for them mind, but clearly those who expected FF to go into liquidation after their election wipeout have been proved wrong.