my oil and gas youtube video

MungBean

Eric Cartman wrote: »

yes....im bullshítting.....thats why most of the country agrees with me and every expert in the field seems to be on my side aswell , there are very few times in life where the minority are right , this is not one of those times

All you have done is dismiss the issue because of the people who raised the it and claimed you know more than anyone of them. So I stick by what I have said. Your dismissal of the issue in this thread is nothing more than arrogant bullshít.

Quite similar in fact to the type of argument used in the video by your arch nemesis, the "dirty lefty scroungers". Claim something is true, dont back it up and dismiss anyone who argues with it.

Eric Cartman

MungBean wrote: »

All you have done is dismiss the issue because of the people who raised the it and claimed you know more than anyone of them. So I stick by what I have said. Your dismissal of the issue in this thread is nothing more than arrogant bullshít.

Quite similar in fact to the type of argument used in the video by your arch nemesis, the "dirty lefty scroungers". Claim something is true, dont back it up and dismiss anyone who argues with it.

theres no evidence to prove the video is right , My point was that nobody in any position of authority on the matter (experts / scientists) or mainstream media have given this time , im saying they have no evidence to prove any of this and thats why im dismissing it.

Also my argument about the type of people is valid , for instance if nick griffin made a video about brain surgery everyone would dismiss it because not only is nick griffin not a brain surgeon , he is also a lunatic and an idiot.

these S2S hippies making videos about oil/gas production is exaclty the same as a nick griffin brain surgery video.

Monty Burnz

MungBean wrote: »

We are on the internet, I dont know what you have researched or what claims you have found to be untrue. If its not evident from your post I cant know what position your in when discussing it. All I can do is comment on the posts in front of me and thats what I did.

You make a statement about the video being nonsense, I never challenged that. You agreed with Eric Cartman's generalising statement about dirty lefty dole scroungers, then when I struck up a discussion with MagicSean you advise him not to bother trying it explain it to me and then proceeded to tell me I shouldnt be discussing it without researching it.

If you didnt want to discuss it then you didnt have to discuss it. If you wanted to show some places to find answers in regards to what was asked by the OP then you should have done so. But you didnt, you had a rant, dismissed my opinion and now claim its all valid because you have knowledge of the subject.

Claiming you have researched it and have knowledge of the matter after all that only proves you never wanted to discuss it in the first place and only ever wanted to have a dig at the people who made the video and flame me while I discussed it with MagicSean.

Well that's one way of spinning what happened. Here's how I saw it:

A guy appears promoting a video that's done the rounds about Ireland and Norway and oil and gas, asking what we think about it.

I told him it's donkey sh!te, which it is.

A discussion of sorts begins.

I point out to MagicSean that he's probably wasting his time trying to explain this, as (based on the previous threads where this has been discussed) the people who are outraged by this video usually aren't interested in the facts, they are more interested in outrage and arguing.

You take offence to my addressing MagicSean and start giving out to me. Repeatedly.


That's how I remember it anyhow. And regarding the research I've done - I'm not asking you to trust me (so it doesn't matter whether you believe me or not), I'm asking you to look into it for yourself and suggesting avenues you might use to avoid the pro/anti lobbies with their inclination for distorting the truth.

I'll point out that I haven't insulted you at all, even though you've repeatedly called me a hypocrite etc., and that if you put as much time into looking at the site I linked as you did to complaining about me you'd already have made a good start into understanding why that video is the essence of donkey sh!te.

MungBean

Eric Cartman wrote: »

theres no evidence to prove the video is right , My point was that nobody in any position of authority on the matter (experts / scientists) or mainstream media have given this time , im saying they have no evidence to prove any of this and thats why im dismissing it.

Also my argument about the type of people is valid , for instance if nick griffin made a video about brain surgery everyone would dismiss it because not only is nick griffin not a brain surgeon , he is also a lunatic and an idiot.

these S2S hippies making videos about oil/gas production is exaclty the same as a nick griffin brain surgery video.

S2S is one thing, but you dismiss the issue being brought up by the ULA and SF. They are democratically elected representatives. Yet you dismiss them as easily as you do S2S because you think you know more than them.

As I said to Monty I dont know who you are or what you know. I can only respond to your posts in this thread. You dismissed the video because of who made it. I said others have highlighted the issue, you duly dismissed them because you dont see them as "legitimate" despite them being democratically elected to highlight issues that concern the people of this country.

So your point is no more valid than me saying that I dont like you or how you speak about these issues so I'm dismissing all you have to say because you dont have a "legitimate" opinion.

MungBean

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Well that's one way of spinning what happened. Here's how I saw it:

A guy appears promoting a video that's done the rounds about Ireland and Norway and oil and gas, asking what we think about it.

I told him it's donkey sh!te, which it is.

A discussion of sorts begins.

I point out to MagicSean that he's probably wasting his time trying to explain this, as (based on the previous threads where this has been discussed) the people who are outraged by this video usually aren't interested in the facts, they are more interested in outrage and arguing.

You take offence to my addressing MagicSean and start giving out to me. Repeatedly.


That's how I remember it anyhow. And regarding the research I've done - I'm not asking you to trust me (so it doesn't matter whether you believe me or not), I'm asking you to look into it for yourself and suggesting avenues you might use to avoid the pro/anti lobbies with their inclination for distorting the truth.

I'll point out that I haven't insulted you at all, even though you've repeatedly called me a hypocrite etc., and that if you put as much time into looking at the site I linked as you did to complaining about me you'd already have made a good start into understanding why that video is the essence of donkey sh!te.

Lets not cry victim here now and lie about being repeatedly insulted. I called one post a hypocritical sermon. It was not an insult and it was not repeated.

You went out of your way to tell another poster he was wasting his time "trying to explain" something to me. You didnt want to discuss it and you didnt want anyone else discussing it either. You got involved to derail the discussion.

Monty Burnz

Monty Burnz wrote: »

You went out of your way to tell another poster he was wasting his time "trying to explain" something to me.

Actually, I said 'there's no point in trying to explain this', fullstop. I made no mention of you in particular, as my comment was a general observation. It seems you mistakenly believed I was referring to you, which would explain why you got so upset.

MungBean

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Actually, I said 'there's no point in trying to explain this', fullstop. I made no mention of you in particular, as my comment was a general observation. It seems you mistakenly believed I was referring to you, which would explain why you got so upset.

You quoted his response to me and said he was wasting his time trying to explain it, that if people wanted to understand it they should read about it and then made some reference to believing whatever propaganda ya hear.

Hard not to take that as being directed at me.

Monty Burnz

MungBean wrote: »

Hard not to take that as being directed at me.

Well, I trust you'll take my word when I tell you it wasn't. It was a comment based on trying to explain this stuff on several threads since before the general election.

MungBean

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Well, I trust you'll take my word when I tell you it wasn't. It was a comment based on trying to explain this stuff on several threads since before the general election.

Fair enough. Apologies for the misunderstanding.

SouperComputer

More discussion here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056407203

Long and short of it is that no oil has been discovered yet. Not a single drop extracted. All we have is speculation on the possible presence of oil, and thats before the feasibility of extraction is touched on.
Oil companies are generally keen to announce profitable finds to keep their shareholders happy. For the very same reason, publicly traded companies are keen to announce profits, so the small minded "point" that some have tried to make regarding taxing of profits being a non-runner is nonsense.

Of course as time goes on and oil becomes more expensive then the possible reserves off the coast of ireland will become more attractive to oil companes. right now though, there's minimal interest in what we "might" have.

For as much guff as the gubbermint gets, one thing you can you can count on them for is to figure out a few ways to make a few quid wherever they can. The reality is that this is not a earner and at the time of typing shows no signs of becoming one shortly.

It comes down to this: Norway has proven oil reserves. Ireland doesn't and wont anytime soon.
Of course this could change but the exploration process is a slow and arduous one, we will have plenty of time to change our terms if we need to.

the_syco

MungBean wrote: »

They are democratically elected representatives.

This is correct. However, a democratically elected representative doesn't automatically gain knowledge in getting oil out of the ground when they level up to the Dail...

MungBean

the_syco wrote: »

This is correct. However, a democratically elected representative doesn't automatically gain knowledge in getting oil out of the ground when they level up to the Dail...

And ?

MagicSean

MungBean wrote: »

And ?

Well it doesn't make them worth listening to just because they got some votes. It just means they have some people who like their ideas.

mconigol

MungBean wrote: »

I know theres massive costs, but theres also massive profits. Offering incentive for companies to look for oil is all well and good but if the state doesnt profit to any meaningful degree then whats the point of it ?

You dont have to entice companies to look for it, they are in the business of locating and drilling for oil. If theres a chance there will be oil in an area they will explore that area regardless of incentives. It was upto the government to capitalise on the possibility of oil being there NOT to ensure the greatest profits and smallest losses for the oil company.

Yes you do.

Look at the latest licencing round. Recognise any of the major oil companies there?

Serica Energy UK Limited
Providence Resources Plc
Chrysaor E&P Ireland Ltd
Sosina Exploration Limited
Bluestack Energy Limited
Petrel Resources plc
Antrim Energy Inc
Europa Oil & Gas (Holdings)Plc
Two Seas Oil & Gas
First Oil Expro Ltd
San Leon Energy

No, thought not. (with the exception maybe of Repsol)

MungBean

MagicSean wrote: »

Well it doesn't make them worth listening to just because they got some votes. It just means they have some people who like their ideas.

They cannot be dismissed as not legitimate. These are not the "hippy scroungers" who hang around throwing stones at gas pipes or whatever your problem with them is. These are members of Dail Eireann who have been elected by the people in a democratic election to raise these issues.

The previous poster dismissed the issue based on who raised it not based what the issue was or what they said about it.

MungBean

mconigol wrote: »

Yes you do.

Look at the latest licencing round. Recognise any of the major oil companies there?

Serica Energy UK Limited
Providence Resources Plc
Chrysaor E&P Ireland Ltd
Sosina Exploration Limited
Bluestack Energy Limited
Petrel Resources plc
Antrim Energy Inc
Europa Oil & Gas (Holdings)Plc
Two Seas Oil & Gas
First Oil Expro Ltd
San Leon Energy

No, thought not. (with the exception maybe of Repsol)

This proves what exactly ?

Waestrel

MungBean wrote: »

This proves what exactly ?

The Major companies know there is not enough to be interested in, so we get juniors hungry for a find and with nothing to lose.

Monty Burnz

Waestrel wrote: »

The Major companies know there is not enough to be interested in, so we get juniors hungry for a find and with nothing to lose.

...and with their own risk capital. These guys are capitalised on the basis that it's a gamble and if they strike oil, they'll be bought out by one of the majors. If they don't they go bust and you lose your money.

marco_polo

MungBean wrote: »

This proves what exactly ?

It proves that they know this

http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?country=ie&product=oil&graph=production

Waestrel

Monty Burnz wrote: »

...and with their own risk capital. These guys are capitalised on the basis that it's a gamble and if they strike oil, they'll be bought out by one of the majors. If they don't they go bust and you lose your money.

Presumably the people who invest in these juniors know this fact, as any mineral or hydrocarbon prospecting is inherently a gamble. The same gamble that some sections of society want the irish government to set up a multi billion euro oil industry for.

mconigol

MungBean wrote: »

This proves what exactly ?

It proves that this is wrong...

MungBean wrote: »

If theres a chance there will be oil in an area they will explore that area regardless of incentives

The major producers will not explore an area regardless of incentives. Otherwise they would be there already. Which they obviously aren't.

MungBean

mconigol wrote: »

It proves that this is wrong...



The major producers will not explore an area regardless of incentives. Otherwise they would be there already. Which they obviously aren't.

The reason they will not explore though is not because the incentives are not enticing its because they see little chance of striking anything.

The incentives as I have seen (open to correction on it) is finders keepers, low tax on extraction and offsetting of exploration cost against that tax.

Looks to me like the incentive is in finding oil and exacting it. Finding oil is enough of an incentive itself and it would be extracted regardless if it was worth extracting. These juniors hungry for a find would most likely pick up a licence no matter what same as they do elsewhere if they are gambling on a find then hitting oil is a jackpot and they sell to a major who extracts at high profits.

saverboy

so terrible。。。