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Killer Pigeon · 27-10-2011 11:34pm

Morlar wrote: »

Your own link contradicts your claims on this :

The report adds: "Before the soldiers of Support Company went into the Bogside he was probably armed with a Thompson sub-machine gun, and though it is possible that he fired this weapon, there is insufficient evidence to make any finding on this, save that we are sure that he did not engage in any activity that provided any of the soldiers with any justification for opening fire."

Read my opinions on Saville a couple of posts back. I don't believe it.

Wolfe Tone · 27-10-2011 11:34pm

My name is URL wrote: »

Robert Ballagh is a guest on VB.. he would have made a good president.

InB4TheWho?

He supports MMG, SF were considering nominating him.

brownswiss · 27-10-2011 11:34pm

Someone on one of the election posts suggested the young were voting for MDH and older voting for SG....

Would it not be the other way around ?. I felt the young voters who had chosen sg did so because of his celebrity status and were probably oblivious to his dealings with the unsavoury...

Would the young voters not consider MDH past his sell by date ?

drunkmonkey · 27-10-2011 11:35pm

KeithAFC wrote: »

Why would you kill British Soldiers?

I was referring to if I was at the battle of the bogside, i'd shoot every mother ****ing one on of them or die trying. What a stupid question to ask a Republican.

dav3 · 27-10-2011 11:35pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Is The Guardian not good enough?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jun/16/martin-mcguinness-bloody-sunday

Show me where in that article it says

he may have helped instigate the paratroopers' reprisal.

<----your own words btw.

Sorry but when people talk b*****ks like yourself they have to be challenged on it.

starbelgrade · 27-10-2011 11:35pm

shano1888 wrote: »

I always had my suspicions that he was responsible for this (as well as, amongst other things, ruining christmas and causing the economic meltdown) and thank you for confirming them.

He also introduced gingerism to Befast in the late 60s.

KeithAFC · 27-10-2011 11:37pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I was referring to if I was at the battle of the bogside, i'd shoot every mother ****ing one on of them or die trying. What a stupid question to ask a Republican.

So you would have joined the PIRA?

Kasabian · 27-10-2011 11:37pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Based on pure statisitics and percentages of people who actually did, you would not have done any of the things that you mention above.

http://www.historyonthenet.com/WW2/conscription.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party

http://www.quora.com/How-many-people-were-members-of-the-Black-Panther-Party-at-its-peak

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_National_Congress

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army

Statistically you were more likely to have joined the SDLP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_and_Labour_Party

Or the Alliance party

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_Party_of_Northern_Ireland

What your googling has failed to take into account is that I know what I am capable of as a person.

drunkmonkey · 27-10-2011 11:40pm

KeithAFC wrote: »

So you would have joined the PIRA?

If you mean would have I fought to the death for my civil rights as a Catholic in Derry, Hell Ya!!

My name is URL · 27-10-2011 11:41pm

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

He supports MMG, SF were considering nominating him.

Just after reading that actually after Googling his name + 'President' =p

I've met him a few times through a relation of mine. He's a seriously nice and intelligent man.

KeithAFC · 27-10-2011 11:41pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If you mean would have I fought to the death for my civil rights as a Catholic in Derry, Hell Ya!!

Oh, so you would have been a civil rights marcher and not a PIRA member. Ok.

K-9 · 27-10-2011 11:42pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Read my opinions on Saville a couple of posts back. I don't believe it.

It doesn't really matter, it's agreed the PIRA had very little presence at it and was largely peaceful.

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

He supports MMG, SF were considering nominating him.

Higgins vs. Ballagh would have been interesting. Liberals like me would have a choice and the attacks from the Mitchellite's would have been hilarious.

brownswiss wrote: »

Someone on one of the election posts suggested the young were voting for MDH and older voting for SG....

Would it not be the other way around ?. I felt the young voters who had chosen sg did so because of his celebrity status and were probably oblivious to his dealings with the unsavoury...

Would the young voters not consider MDH past his sell by date ?

I think myself the more politically aware, the more middle ground, will vote Higgins, Gallagher's vote was mostly the FG floating vote and elements of the young, X Factor, Celtic Cub generation.

SafeSurfer · 27-10-2011 11:43pm

Kasabian wrote: »

What your googling has failed to take into account is that I know what I am capable of as a person.

I don't doubt you do. I am just making the point that statistically people were much, much more likely not to join the IRA than to join the IRA. The same with all the other situations you referred to, including the British army in 1939.

I am not making a judgement. The fact is that those who actually took up arms were in a tiny minority, albeit with wider tacit support.

p.s "capable of as a person" ?

As opposed to what?

Sunnyisland · 27-10-2011 11:44pm

KeithAFC wrote: »

So you would have joined the PIRA?

If the situation is ever reversed keith AFC and it might be some day,would you fight against an Irish army and its paramilitary friends killing and plundering your area ?

Killer Pigeon · 27-10-2011 11:44pm

dav3 wrote: »

Show me where in that article it says <----your own words btw.

Sorry but when people talk b*****ks like yourself they have to be challenged on it.

He was carrying a machine gun, in Derry, and there are suspicions overs his activity before the massacre on the day. That's enough for me. As I've said I don't believe (beyond the bridge-building maneuver of the Saville Report) that the British Paratroopers, a far more professional force, just decided to attack a crowd of protesters without reason.

Besides this, McGuinness was second-in-command of the IRA during a time in which the IRA carried out many cold blooded murders and massacres of innocent people. Anyone who thinks that McGuinness didn't have a say in the carrying out of these crimes (as second-in-command of the IRA) is a downright naive fool.

K-9 · 27-10-2011 11:48pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

He was carrying a machine gun, in Derry, and

You sure about that? That's the first I've heard of it! Even the Paratroopers never said a machine gun, it would have been caught on film or audio!

10green bottles · 27-10-2011 11:49pm

realies wrote: »

If the situation is ever reversed keith AFC and it might be some day,would you fight against an Irish army and its paramilitary friends killing and plundering your area ?

Only if Loyalist Freedom Fighter's can sell drug's to line their own arse pocket's at the same time !!

drunkmonkey · 27-10-2011 11:50pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

He was carrying a machine gun

Pure bollix but regardless, Would you carry a fart to a **** fight?

Kasabian · 27-10-2011 11:51pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I don't doubt you do. I am just making the point that statistically people were much, much more likely not to join the IRA than to join the IRA. The same with all the other situations you referred to, including the British army in 1939.

I am not making a judgement. The fact is that those who actually took up arms were in a tiny minority, albeit with wider tacit support.

p.s "capable of as a person" ?

As opposed to what?

A soulless psychopath :P

drunkmonkey · 27-10-2011 11:51pm

KeithAFC wrote: »

Oh, so you would have been a civil rights marcher and not a PIRA member. Ok.

Both and proud.

KeithAFC · 27-10-2011 11:52pm

realies wrote: »

If the situation is ever reversed keith AFC and it might be some day,would you fight against an Irish army and its paramilitary friends killing and plundering your area ?

That would cause chaos but no. I would tell them to leave and then see what happens.

cowzerp · 27-10-2011 11:53pm

KeithAFC wrote: »

So you would have joined the PIRA?

Like lots of people did, as any self respecting person would when there people are under attack and the goverement over them are the ones attacking and allowing the loyalists to attack them.

How would you like to be ruled by bigots who done everything to stop you getting a vote, tried to burn families out of there homes and then the police backed all that up, along come the army and just back up this even further.

The pira grew because people needed defense and they where the only people who stood up for them.

KeithAFC · 27-10-2011 11:53pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Both and proud.

You do know tit for tat would just happen?

Killer Pigeon · 27-10-2011 11:53pm

K-9 wrote: »

You sure about that? That's the first I've heard of it! Even the Paratroopers never said a machine gun, it would have been caught on film or audio!

... or rather a Thompson submachine gun, I know, not exactly a full on machine gun but still able to pack quite a few lethal punches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shJbuRpyKkA

K-9 · 27-10-2011 11:54pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Pure bollix but regardless, Would you carry a fart to a **** fight?

Well nobody did, barring McGuinness and that's debated!

drunkmonkey · 27-10-2011 11:54pm

KeithAFC wrote: »

That would cause chaos but no. I would tell them to leave and then see what happens.

And if they said No what would you do? Wave your poppy at them?

dav3 · 27-10-2011 11:56pm

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

He was carrying a machine gun, in Derry, and there are suspicions overs his activity before the massacre on the day. That's enough for me. As I've said I don't believe (beyond the bridge-building maneuver of the Saville Report) that the British Paratroopers, a far more professional force, just decided to attack a crowd of protesters without reason.

Well there's been more than one Bloody Sunday, the British have form on attacking crowds without reason.

So you're admitting to having no sources to back up your claims?

Kasabian · 27-10-2011 11:56pm

Folks distract yourselves with RTE1 now.

Killer Pigeon · 27-10-2011 11:58pm

dav3 wrote: »

Well there's been more than one Bloody Sunday, the British have form on attacking crowds without reason.

So you're admitting to having no sources to back up your claims?

No, just ag úsáid an ceann.

Sunnyisland · 27-10-2011 11:59pm

Kasabian wrote: »

Folks distract yourselves with RTE1 now.

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