Political allegiance of SU

Sid_Justice

I'm just wondering how the current students union stands in terms of party politics. Are they all FF heads or labour heads or wha'?

Just wondering what the principles are for individual politics within the su? Like if an officer was a very strong supporter of a particular party, would they be asked to kinda keep that kind of stuff to themselves or are they allowed to use their influence on the student body as much as they wish.

I went looking for Davis there the other day but he wasn't around to ask him himself.

Jester252

I don't think that political outlook of an office will have much effect on how the officer does his/her job.

Sid_Justice

well you're obviously wrong about that

Jester252

Explain

Sid_Justice

A clear example would be if a welfare officer was a staunch supporter of eirigi and their politics which would compromise their ability to give fair advice to people in crisis pregnancies.

Just as a request, would it possible for people who are completely politically uniformed and naive to refrain from posting in this thread because i went to get to the point with this thread and not have silly people ruin it by going off topic.

thanks

Jester252

Everyone has an opinion on everything. If you are in a position that at some stage requires give advice on a very sensitive matter you would be able to give such advice as best you can to non-biased. I think the Welfare Officer, or anybody for that matter, does this.

In my opinion

You set up this thread to pick at the officers like you have been doing in other threads

joey12

Well our humble president Derek Davis is a true fianna failer, which does bother me because I can't accept that someone who is so much involved in that party can act independently when running the su.

CiaranMT

Sid_Justice wrote: »

...A clear example would be if [an] officer was a staunch supporter of eirigi...

If this ever happened, I'd eat my hat.

Derek Daly is a Fianna Fáiler and would have no problem admitting as much I'd imagine.

Not very up with the new wave of officers that have arrived so I'm not sure where their loyalties (if any) lie.

This is my fourth year here now, however, and I've never once come across any promotion of a political entity by any of the elected officers. Not sure if it's an intentional rule to keep parties out of it or not, but it's something I admire.

I'd imagine, though, that there's enough politics that goes on behind the SU doors without throwing party allegiance on top of it!

CiaranMT

joey12 wrote: »

Well our humble president Derek Davis is a true fianna failer, which does bother me because I can't accept that someone who is so much involved in that party can act independently when running the su.

To give him his dues, he has been, for a number of years now.

MrsStuffings

you're one sarah jade is a member of the socialist youth party

CiaranMT

She wants to give away all our moneyz!!! :pac:

bazkennedy

Ah the annual derek is a fianna failer thread, came early this year. Anyone who knows Derek will tell you that he leaves his political leanings at the door and in his 2 1/2 years in the SU so far has not brought party politics into it. At times he has gone against his own political views because he was mandated to do so by students.

We have this discussion before, its always the same. Find something new to talk about

kflynn

just because some people on this have had the conversation before doesnt mean others cant have it, of you are bored move thread!

Ginge Young

Go mad: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056141158

Sid_Justice

bazkennedy wrote: »

Ah the annual derek is a fianna failer thread, came early this year. Anyone who knows Derek will tell you that he leaves his political leanings at the door and in his 2 1/2 years in the SU so far has not brought party politics into it. At times he has gone against his own political views because he was mandated to do so by students.

We have this discussion before, its always the same. Find something new to talk about

find another thread to troll, you don't set the agenda here. are you even in UL anymore

freyners

Sid_Justice wrote: »

find another thread to troll, you don't set the agenda here. are you even in UL anymore

in fairness by the way you've been posting here and elsewhere forgive us if we're a little bit skeptical as to your motives. if this is a good faith attempt..fire ahead but alot of people here have seen similar attempts of a thread over our UL lives ending in a thread to bash derek

maybe to start actually calling derek his proper name instead of acting like a 5yr old by calling him derek davis would be a start

Jester252

freyners wrote: »

in fairness by the way you've been posting here and elsewhere forgive us if we're a little bit skeptical as to your motives. if this is a good faith attempt..fire ahead but alot of people here have seen similar attempts of a thread over our UL lives ending in a thread to bash derek

maybe to start actually calling derek his proper name instead of acting like a 5yr old by calling him derek davis would be a start

I just though he was stupid when I saw what he called Daly
:rolleyes:

Sid_Justice

freyners wrote: »

in fairness by the way you've been posting here and elsewhere forgive us if we're a little bit skeptical as to your motives. if this is a good faith attempt..fire ahead but alot of people here have seen similar attempts of a thread over our UL lives ending in a thread to bash derek

maybe to start actually calling derek his proper name instead of acting like a 5yr old by calling him derek davis would be a start

What's with all these back seat moderators?

I've never even met the su president i don't know why you think i'm trying to 'bash him', I'm sure being the su president he doesn't need his cronies making daft allegations online.

Denners.ie

Jester252 wrote: »

I just though he was stupid when I saw what he called Daly
:rolleyes:

No need for the personal abuse, really shows your IQ level when you have to resort to such measures.

Sid I understand how you could have mixed up Daly and Davis.

Maybe we could just refer to Derek Daly as Séan or Mr. Gallagher to help people as he is essentially bred from the same cloth.

not bakunin

Ah, this hoary old chestnut. Yes, our SU is riddled and probably rotten with the influence of the most destructive and sickening elements in Irish politics, it can't be denied.

But that isn't illegal or even a sin.

Some will say it's perfectly possible for such members to continue their work in a non-biased and non-partisan manner, personally I say that is a fairy tale spouted by people who hope their electorate doesn't understand the meaning of ideology or political allegiances.

And that's just the way it is.

freyners

Sid_Justice wrote: »

What's with all these back seat moderators?

I've never even met the su president i don't know why you think i'm trying to 'bash him', I'm sure being the su president he doesn't need his cronies making daft allegations online.

im far from one of is cronies, pals or even acquaintances. I only have talked to the man when he canvassed me for a vote last year

you have been calling him derek davis for a while now..if its a simple mix up i apologise but its very childish otherwise

anyways to answer your original q

I'm just wondering how the current students union stands in terms of party politics. Are they all FF heads or labour heads or wha'?

Just wondering what the principles are for individual politics within the su? Like if an officer was a very strong supporter of a particular party, would they be asked to kinda keep that kind of stuff to themselves or are they allowed to use their influence on the student body as much as they wish.

On the first part I don't have a clue about Tara, Aoife, Paddy, Kelly or Sarah but every man and his dog knows the Daly is an FF'er

From what I've seen it hasn't played a role in his job as welfare/VP. He helped lead (as part of the SU) ULs campaign against fees, separate from the USI campaign (which we aint part of) when FF were trying to reintroduce them. So he kept his party view to himself. AFAIK there hasnt been any issue with his FF membership in his role in the SU while hes been there..open to correction from anyone else here if there has been

Sid_Justice

freyners wrote: »

I don't have a clue

you're right there

freyners

Sid_Justice wrote: »

you're right there

care to elaborate or are you just going to pick one thing out of the post and try and look smart

Sid_Justice

This thread is about party politics of the SU, if you want to talk about yourself get yourself a blog thanks.

Jester252

Denners.ie wrote: »

No need for the personal abuse, really shows your IQ level when you have to resort to such measures.

Sid I understand how you could have mixed up Daly and Davis.

Maybe we could just refer to Derek Daly as Séan or Mr. Gallagher to help people as he is essentially bred from the same cloth.

What with the hate

freyners

Sid_Justice wrote: »

This thread is about party politics of the SU, if you want to talk about yourself get yourself a blog thanks.

ammm where did i talk about myself, the only bit that comes close was caused by you calling me a crony of derek daly.
to which i replied

im far from one of is cronies, pals or even acquaintances. I only have talked to the man when he canvassed me for a vote last year

i then went on engage your question

Sid_Justice wrote:

I'm just wondering how the current students union stands in terms of party politics. Are they all FF heads or labour heads or wha'?

Just wondering what the principles are for individual politics within the su? Like if an officer was a very strong supporter of a particular party, would they be asked to kinda keep that kind of stuff to themselves or are they allowed to use their influence on the student body as much as they wish.

On the first part I don't have a clue about Tara, Aoife, Paddy, Kelly or Sarah but every man and his dog knows the Daly is an FF'er

From what I've seen it hasn't played a role in his job as welfare/VP. He helped lead (as part of the SU) ULs campaign against fees, separate from the USI campaign (which we aint part of) when FF were trying to reintroduce them. So he kept his party view to himself. AFAIK there hasnt been any issue with his FF membership in his role in the SU while hes been there..open to correction from anyone else here if there has been

so wheres your problem, you asked a question..i gave you an answer..thats how boards works
so kindly please stop acting the maggot and actually deal with the content of a post instead of giving little one liners because (i guess) your not getting the response you had hoped for

Sid_Justice

You insinuate that this 'davis' typo was some long running bad joke I tried to propagate. It was a typo from yesterday for heaven's sake. You're deliberately distorting the truth to have a pop at me.

Did the SU president not endorse both Mary davis and Sean gallagher on his facebook?

You went to engage my question by repeating what we all already know and not adding any new content.

In your next post you call me a maggot which further confirms you have no genuine or legitimate interest in this thread but your sole aim is to antagonise me.

Jester252

Sid_Justice wrote: »

Did the SU president not endorse both Mary davis and Sean gallagher on his facebook?

Was this on his personal Facebook?

Sid_Justice

No it was on his official facebook which advertises the fact he's SU president.

ninty9er

Hi all. Derek here. My Facebook is mine personally. Anyone who sees what I post has either added me as a friend or been added as a friend by me. I have personal opinions, which people may or may not be aware of, but they are never made as a Union representative on my personal Facebook profile. The profile happens to say that at the point where someone indicates their wish to add me as a friend.

It's never been a secret that I'm a member of Fianna Fáil, but only once has someone accused me of that influencing my SU roles in 6 years. When they did they retracted fairly fast.

Knock yourselves out having the bashfest.

BTW Ginge Young and bazkennedy are the only 2 people who have commented here that I know well, so others are due apologies.

Sid_Justice

I can see your facebook wall and I am certainly no friend of yours. You've decided, probably for some exhibitionist attention seeking reason to make your voting in the presidential election public.