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Forum permbans points system or something

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  • #52
    Insect Overlord
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,996 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    If you put half the effort into real life that you put into your encyclopaedic posts, you'd probably have the money to buy out Boards and change everything about it just to suit you.


  • #53
    Thanx 4 The Fish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,399 ✭✭✭✭Thanx 4 The Fish


    ISAW wrote: »

    So what? Criminal records are also kept on criminals. But you do not get to bring the past history into a particular case! That is the difference. Innocence is assumed. You do not revisit the prior case and retry it! Yes after a fair trial you can look at prior cases in terms of sentence. A kangaroo court is not a fair hearing especial;ly if to appease a Lynch mob.

    That is different! You are talking about a perma ban being overturned here.
    Maybe that is a confusion we can sort out?
    What you refer to is part of is an appeal process.

    No it is you who are getting it wrong . A perm ban is that, much like a life sentence. A user, if they have shown somewhere that they are deserving of re-admittance to the forum (or society), can have their ban lifted but it is essentially probation. The rules still apply to them the same way but if they continue to breach them then essentially their perm ban is reinstated. A lot like I believe a life sentence can go! (although I am not going to pretend to be any kind of lawyer)


  • #54
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »
    No it is you who are getting it wrong . A perm ban is that, much like a life sentence. A user, if they have shown somewhere that they are deserving of re-admittance to the forum (or society), can have their ban lifted but it is essentially probation. The rules still apply to them the same way but if they continue to breach them then essentially their perm ban is reinstated. A lot like I believe a life sentence can go! (although I am not going to pretend to be any kind of lawyer)
    Accepting what you've stated, should there not be some level of transparency and/or open conversation regarding the removal of a perma-ban or placing a temporal nature on it?

    Or should it be acceptable for a user to request same and be told something along the lines of "we have discussed it and no"?


  • #55
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,006 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »
    No it is you who are getting it wrong . A perm ban is that, much like a life sentence. A user, if they have shown somewhere that they are deserving of re-admittance to the forum (or society), can have their ban lifted but it is essentially probation. The rules still apply to them the same way but if they continue to breach them then essentially their perm ban is reinstated. A lot like I believe a life sentence can go! (although I am not going to pretend to be any kind of lawyer)

    I was never informed of this on readmitance nor in any previous communication with the mods and that includes you . Here are the conditions I was given after my last ban, Notice the bit in bold.

    1. Read the access request mechanism thread here. Make sure you read the soccer forum charter carefully while you're doing that.
    2. Bear in mind that all of you will have to serve a 6 month probation period, not the 3 months mentioned in that thread. That means if you pick up one red card or three yellows in your first six months then you will be banned again, although in each of your cases that means a permanent ban again, with no review.http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=75255705
    Are you making up the rules as you go along?


  • #56
    ISAW
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,142 ✭✭✭ISAW


    Insect Overlord wrote: »
    If you put half the effort into real life that you put into your encyclopaedic posts, you'd probably have the money to buy out Boards and change everything about it just to suit you.

    Indeed.But because of a psychological disability it is unlikely. Well that coupled with I actually care about what I post and am not driven by owning things. Oh yes and I am an anti authoritarian. Don't take anything on face value to me just because of what I say. Go and check out my supporting evidence and arguments and convince yourself. If I'm wrong show me where and I am happy to correct it.


  • #57
    ISAW
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,142 ✭✭✭ISAW


    Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »
    No it is you who are getting it wrong . A perm ban is that, much like a life sentence. A user, if they have shown somewhere that they are deserving of re-admittance to the forum (or society), can have their ban lifted but it is essentially probation. The rules still apply to them the same way but if they continue to breach them then essentially their perm ban is reinstated. A lot like I believe a life sentence can go! (although I am not going to pretend to be any kind of lawyer)

    I don't want to go into my personal case but I never broke the rules. Mods and pother posters just didn't like my posting style. They found my overuse of information and continual contradiction of double standards every time I witnessed it with annotated reference as detrimental to a forum. Apparently I'm even too "off the wall" even for The Cookoos nestwher I am currently appealing a permaban.

    A permaban is forever even after death of the poster- a life sentence isn't even for the life of the defendant.


  • #58
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    ISAW wrote: »
    I don't want to go into my personal case but I never broke the rules. Mods and pother posters just didn't like my posting style. They found my overuse of information and continual contradiction of double standards every time I witnessed it with annotated reference as detrimental to a forum. Apparently I'm even too "off the wall" even for The Cookoos nestwher I am currently appealing a permaban.

    A permaban is forever even after death of the poster- a life sentence isn't even for the life of the defendant.

    Cuckoo's Nest perma!!!

    Not a chance there poster, those dudes are bitter, like their own little coterie of yes men and yes ladies.

    This poster was banned aeons ago for daring to query why certain posters could be immune from the 'Post here and be banned' thread, whilst others would be smacked over the chops with the ban hammer.

    Incestuous area ,if I may say so, just move on and say "good riddance" friend.


  • #59
    Thanx 4 The Fish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,399 ✭✭✭✭Thanx 4 The Fish


    The Muppet wrote: »
    I was never informed of this on readmitance nor in any previous communication with the mods and that includes you . Here are the conditions I was given after my last ban, Notice the bit in bold.



    Are you making up the rules as you go along?

    Is that the one after your first or second re-admittance after a permanent ban form the soccer forum? I am sure that the strictures placed upon you were a harder back then, of course you could go and lie about receiving pms on the subject if you so choose.

    TBH as you have repeatedly said that you have no interest in rejoining the soccer forum, I have no idea why I am even engaging with you.


  • #60
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Given the history of some the participants in this and other threads, perhaps we should have feedback renamed to 'The Last Goad Saloon'.


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  • #61
    ISAW
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,142 ✭✭✭ISAW


    Nodin wrote: »
    Given the history of some the participants in this and other threads, perhaps we should have feedback renamed to 'The Last Goad Saloon'.


    Do you really think some moderators make a habit of goading non mods?
    Here is an ongoing one straight out of the "we just don't like you" School of Kafkesque modding. And I hadn't even begun to state my case? Just asking about a ban was enough to warrant a biased judgment.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056442693

    Boards.ie... let's stop people we don't like from talking? :)


  • #62
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    ISAW wrote: »
    Do you really think some moderators make a habit of goading non mods?

    No.



    Thanks for underlining my actual point though.


  • #63
    ISAW
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,142 ✭✭✭ISAW


    Nodin wrote: »
    No.



    Thanks for underlining my actual point though.

    So by "the history of some the participants in this and other threads," you meant non mods?
    In particular you meant me?


  • #64
    tbh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    ISAW wrote: »
    So by "the history of some the participants in this and other threads," you meant non mods?
    In particular you meant me?

    he meant flutterinbantam.


  • #65
    The Muppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,006 ✭✭✭✭The Muppet


    Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »
    Is that the one after your first or second re-admittance after a permanent ban form the soccer forum? I am sure that the strictures placed upon you were a harder back then, of course you could go and lie about receiving pms on the subject if you so choose.

    TBH as you have repeatedly said that you have no interest in rejoining the soccer forum, I have no idea why I am even engaging with you.

    Careful now, I have copies of all my pm's.

    Could you answer my question rather than attack me, Remember attack the post not the poster.

    Where has this notion of readmittance under licence come from? Is it boards policy or did you just make it up?

    Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »
    TBH as you have repeatedly said that you have no interest in rejoining the soccer forum, I have no idea why I am even engaging with you.

    As you've said you have no interest in modding soccer I don't know why you still do it. I can publish the pm if you want to dispute that..

    BTW this is feedback not a DRP


  • #66
    ISAW
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,142 ✭✭✭ISAW


    tbh wrote: »
    he meant flutterinbantam.

    I appreciate if he confirmed that and apologies in advance if I mistakenly thought it was me.
    On a related note.,, I don't claim to be always be right, nor isthis about other posters and their personal bans.

    The thing is what sort of standards of posting do boards want?
    Do you want the normal "chewing gum" of mass media twitter one liners with no depth?
    Do you want in depth analysis and debate.
    Maybe a mixture of both?
    Woudl yo unoit thin Christianity or Politics would have more in depth discussion?
    Why should an elitist bunch get to decide that only their mindset is acceptable and ban other posters especially when those other posters continually challenge the "accepted view"?
    I'm not asking for you to agree with just
    1. show people where they am wrong (in your view)
    2. don't prevent them continually showing up the errors and shortcomings of other posters by banning them basically for being overly thorough in their replies. "You are banned. Your responses are too detailed and pedantic."


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  • #67
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    tbh wrote: »
    he meant flutterinbantam.

    I was speaking of a number of individuals across a number of threads.


  • #68
    tbh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    Nodin wrote: »
    I was speaking of a number of individuals across a number of threads.

    name them so.


  • #69
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    tbh wrote: »
    name them so.

    Flutterinbantham, the muppet, Isaw (and those are only the ones that come to mind at the moment).


  • #70
    ISAW
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,142 ✭✭✭ISAW


    Nodin wrote: »
    I was speaking of a number of individuals across a number of threads.

    Was I any of these individuals to whom you were referring?


  • #71
    LoLth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,339 ✭✭✭✭LoLth


    closing this one as the OP has been left quite far behind in the discussion.

    update to the charter by the way. It would be in everyone's best interest to give it a read.


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