Ban Cheap Booze, says grieving dad...

MrStuffins

Freddie59 wrote: »

Jesus. I hope it always keeps fine for you my friend. As you're an impulsive twenty-something I suppose we'll have to cut you some slack. A "bull$h!t reaction" (your own phraseology) from a devastated and grieving parent??? You cannot even begin to comprehend what is going through that man's mind.

it IS a bull**** reaction. This guy, while grieving, knows quite well that people don't just get drunk and deside to throw themselves in the river. He really should be looking at why his son REALLY did this and not trying to ban trivial things so he'll feel a little better.

But I really wish that posters would consider their statements - especially in the case of a traumatic death - before posting them on ANY forum.

I DID consider it. it's a bullsh*t reaction.

It is truly disgusting IMHO.

You need to be less sensitive IMO.

Freddie59 wrote: »

Fcuk. Now we're all psychologists as well? This thread should be locked. The sentiments being posted about that misfortunate parent are truly appalling.

Bit of an over reaction. You don;t like it so think everybody else should be stopped from discussing it? What gives you the right?

Sam Kade

Freddie59 wrote: »

Fcuk. Now we're all psychologists as well? This thread should be locked. The sentiments being posted about that misfortunate parent are truly appalling.

Yes I agree with you. What he posted is BS. I know of people that committed suicide and no one around them had any idea that there was anything wrong with them.

sensibleken

Snakeblood wrote: »

Two puppies! We can have dogfights instead!

I would set your balls on fire if you started a dog fight.

MrStuffins

Freddie59 wrote: »

FFS will you give it a rest.

It's very possible that if he was willing/able to recognise that his son had a problem, he could've done something about it. Maybe his son would still be alive? Maybe?

However, he didn't. And even after his son threw himself in a river he refused to look any deeper than "It was the drink's fault". It's ridiculous thinking IMO.

MrStuffins

Sam Kade wrote: »

Yes I agree with you. What he posted is BS. I know of people that committed suicide and no one around them had any idea that there was anything wrong with them.

As do I.

But did they go ahead then and blame something trivial? Or did they look into the causes of the suicide?

Sam Kade

MrStuffins wrote: »

As do I.

But did they go ahead then and blame something trivial? Or did they look into the causes of the suicide?

Yes I agree. But I was referring to the poster that said his father should have known beforehand that his son was suicidal.

sensibleken

just an observation here. If this poor kid was a celbrity, radio presenter or even a traitorous former finance minister, nobody would be able to say anything critical or anything other than a respectful RIP without being carded.

Sofiztikated

Freddie59 wrote: »

Fcuk. Now we're all psychologists as well? This thread should be locked. The sentiments being posted about that misfortunate parent are truly appalling.

What sentiments have I posted about the parent?

I'm sorry for his parents, I truly am. What I'm saying is suicide needs to be dealt with, and talked about. And not behind peoples backs.

Surpress it all you want, the only way we are going to deal with the suicide issue is to actually talk about it.

MrStuffins

Sam Kade wrote: »

Yes I agree. But I was referring to the poster that said his father should have known beforehand that his son was suicidal.

Really? Can you show me where this was said?

Freddie59

MrStuffins wrote: »

it IS a bull**** reaction. This guy, while grieving, knows quite well that people don't just get drunk and deside to throw themselves in the river. He really should be looking at why his son REALLY did this and not trying to ban trivial things so he'll feel a little better.

How can ANYONE know why he really did this. And as I've said, you cannot even imagine what this man is going through. Has anyone close to YOU committed suicide?

MrStuffins wrote: »

I DID consider it. it's a bullsh*t reaction.

No you didn't. Full stop.

MrStuffins wrote: »

You need to be less sensitive IMO.

Less sensitive? Maybe you need to be a little more sensitive and develop an appreciation of the subject at hand.

MrStuffins wrote: »

Bit of an over reaction. You don;t like it so think everybody else should be stopped from discussing it? What gives you the right?

Compassion gives me the right. What gives you the right to castigate this man? Because there are pi$$heads out there who think alcohol is the be all and end all, it is to be defended at all costs?

Think before you post. And consider what those parents are going through. And pray that it will never ever happen to you or yours.

fran oconnor

MrStuffins wrote: »

He's not looking at the big picture though. He should be talking about the causes of his son's suicide rather than alcohol!

If you honestly think the rest of us adults shouldn't be allowed to drink cheap alcohol just because this clown isn't smart enough to realise his son had underlying problems then you're off the head!

TBF, its not that easy to just find out whats wrong, sometimes people in these suicidal situations give very little away. I think calling his father a clown after the loss of his son is a little bit low tbh.

Snakeblood

sensibleken wrote: »

I would set your balls on fire if you started a dog fight.

No no, I'm quite seriously saying we should get two puppies in a room and let them fight it out as god intended.

Freddie59

Sofiztikated wrote: »

What sentiments have I posted about the parent?

I'm sorry for his parents, I truly am. What I'm saying is suicide needs to be dealt with, and talked about. And not behind peoples backs.

Surpress it all you want, the only way we are going to deal with the suicide issue is to actually talk about it.

The sentiments. Talk yes - castigate this misfortunate person in defence of alcohol? No.

Freddie59

MrStuffins wrote: »

It's very possible that if he was willing/able to recognise that his son had a problem, he could've done something about it. Maybe his son would still be alive? Maybe?

However, he didn't. And even after his son threw himself in a river he refused to look any deeper than "It was the drink's fault". It's ridiculous thinking IMO.

How do YOU know this? And feel qualified to comment on it?????

Sofiztikated

See, this is why we can't have nice things. Quit ****ing bickering.

MrStuffins

Freddie59 wrote: »

How can ANYONE know why he really did this. And as I've said, you cannot even imagine what this man is going through. Has anyone close to YOU committed suicide?

I know what the man is going through. It would be healthier for him to find the actual causes of his son's suicide rather than blaming something arbitrary.

No you didn't. Full stop.

Yes I did. You just disagree with what I said. Your arrogance in thinking you can speak for me is ridiculous.

Less sensitive? Maybe you need to be a little more sensitive and develop an appreciation of the subject at hand.

The subject at hand is a father blaming cheap alcohol on suicide. It's not true. Cheap alcohol is not a cause of suicide. His theory is bullsh*t.

Compassion gives me the right. What gives you the right to castigate this man? Because there are pi$$heads out there who think alcohol is the be all and end all, it is to be defended at all costs?

Nope. it's nothing to do with pissheads. it's to do with what's sensible. You can't just ban cheap alcohol because one man wrongly blamed it on his son's suicide.

Think before you post. And consider what those parents are going through. And pray that it will never ever happen to you or yours.

I am considering what the parents are going through. It must be terrible.

it still doesn't mean his theory that drink drove his son to suicide is right. there was an underlying problem that he is completely ignoring.

Jaysoose

I think your missing the point of his posts nobody here is saying that this isnt anything other than a tradegy but the kneejerk reaction of our media to latch onto this story because the grieving father is blaming alcohol for his sons suicide when there could be a million other contributing factors is wrong.

And he is perfectly entitled to post his opinion on the sunject wether he has gone through it or not imo.

Its yet more poor journalism by this rag of a paper that the main focus of the article is cheap booze. They are practically saying cheap booze causes suicide when it clearly doesnt.

MrStuffins

fran oconnor wrote: »

TBF, its not that easy to just find out whats wrong, sometimes people in these suicidal situations give very little away. I think calling his father a clown after the loss of his son is a little bit low tbh.

Ok, maybe I shouldn't have called him a clown. I apologise for that!

But just because it's not easy to find out what's wrong, doesn't mean you should stick the blame on something arbitrary

Freddie59

MrStuffins wrote: »

I know what the man is going through. It would be healthier for him to find the actual causes of his son's suicide rather than blaming something arbitrary.




Yes I did. You just disagree with what I said. Your arrogance in thinking you can speak for me is ridiculous.



The subject at hand is a father blaming cheap alcohol on suicide. It's not true. Cheap alcohol is not a cause of suicide. His theory is bullsh*t.




Nope. it's nothing to do with pissheads. it's to do with what's sensible. You can't just ban cheap alcohol because one man wrongly blamed it on his son's suicide.



I am considering what the parents are going through. It must be terrible.

it still doesn't mean his theory that drink drove his son to suicide is right. there was an underlying problem that he is completely ignoring.

You're backtracking - thankfully. At least use the proper tone when discussing this misfortunate parent and his son. Maybe if you could direct some of your (obvious) love of alcohol towards them it might lighten things a bit.

Freddie59

MrStuffins wrote: »

Ok, maybe I shouldn't have called him a clown. I apologise for that!

But just because it's not easy to find out what's wrong, doesn't mean you should stick the blame on something arbitrary

I take my hat off to you. Seriously.:)

MrStuffins

Freddie59 wrote: »

How do YOU know this? And feel qualified to comment on it?????

How do i know that it's possible? Surely that's not a serious question.

I feel that you have either a problem with me from a previous thread or that this is a particularly emotive subject for you, either way continuing debating you on the subject is pointless to me so I won't be anymore.

Sofiztikated

Freddie59 wrote: »

You're backtracking - thankfully. At least use the proper tone when discussing this misfortunate parent and his son. Maybe if you could direct some of your (obvious) love of alcohol towards them it might lighten things a bit.

Stop getting petty.

Both myself and MrStuffins are saying

SUICIDE IS BAD, AND THE REASONS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
Blaming the method of death isn't going to do anything for anyone.

MrStuffins

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Stop getting petty.

Both myself and MrStuffins are saying

SUICIDE IS BAD, AND THE REASONS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
Blaming the method of death isn't going to do anything for anyone.

Exactly. You need to find the root of the problem. Not just pick something at random and stick blame on it.

Freddie59

Freddie59 wrote: »

Jesus. I hope it always keeps fine for you my friend. As you're an impulsive twenty-something I suppose we'll have to cut you some slack. A "bull$h!t reaction" (your own phraseology) from a devastated and grieving parent??? You cannot even begin to comprehend what is going through that man's mind.

He is probably right. Alcohol HAS become far too cheap. No two ways about it. Was it responsible for that poor chap's death? Hard to tell.

But I really wish that posters would consider their statements - especially in the case of a traumatic death - before posting them on ANY forum.

It is truly disgusting IMHO.

But I really wish that posters would consider their statements - especially in the case of a traumatic death - before posting them on ANY forum.

It is truly disgusting IMHO.[/QUOTE]

The fact is he's absolutely right. It doesn't matter how much booze costs. Someone who is determined to drink will drink. There are plenty of people who don't have a pot to p*ss in and still manage to spend every spare cent on booze. The cost of drink in Ireland is much higher than in other countries and yet people manage to find the money for it. There's absolutely no point in raising the price of alcoholic drinks. All that will do is punish those who are responsible and just enjoy a drink or two after a long week at work. Alcohol wasn't responsible for anything. This guy's actions were responsible for his death and while I'm sure it helps his parents to blame the easiest thing to blame, it's just not fair. Plenty of people have committed suicide without alcohol. Should we ban motorway bridges? Sharp knives/razors? Should we build a wall along the Cliffs of Moher so people can't jump off? It's incredibly naive to think his tragedy wouldn't have happened if alcohol were more expensive.

Alopex

newmug wrote: »

Ah FFS people, his Dad does have a point. Like it or not, alcohol IS a depressant! If you are depressed, or prone to depression, its a big no-no. At the very least, it should be restricted to people who fit into that category.

Depressant when speaking of drugs means something altogether different to depression the psychological issue

Dudess

Go easy on the dad IMO - I disagree with what he's saying, but it's bound to be the hurt talking, and grief distorts things.

Generally speaking though, I do find blame of a substance to be in bad taste. Substances generally do not cause suicide, although alcohol is a depressant as someone pointed out, and substances could exacerbate underlying conditions.

MrStuffins

Leonard Scruffy Slipper wrote: »

The fact is he's absolutely right. It doesn't matter how much booze costs. Someone who is determined to drink will drink. There are plenty of people who don't have a pot to p*ss in and still manage to spend every spare cent on booze. The cost of drink in Ireland is much higher than in other countries and yet people manage to find the money for it. There's absolutely no point in raising the price of alcoholic drinks. All that will do is punish those who are responsible and just enjoy a drink or two after a long week at work. Alcohol wasn't responsible for anything. This guy's actions were responsible for his death and while I'm sure it helps his parents to blame the easiest thing to blame, it's just not fair. Plenty of people have committed suicide without alcohol. Should we ban motorway bridges? Sharp knives/razors? Should we build a wall along the Cliffs of Moher so people can't jump off? It's incredibly naive to think his tragedy wouldn't have happened if alcohol were more expensive.

Indeed. We live in a nanny state as it is. Sure I can't even buy a bottle of beer from Tesco at 10:01 pm

We are adults and should be treated as such! If i want to drink myself into oblivion after 10pm I should be able to because that is what I choose to do! I am big enough and ugly enough to make my own decisions without being told what is best for me. Maybe I don't want what is best for me. Maybe I wanna get off my face now and again. I am well aware it can damage my liver but that is the choice I am making (by the way, i'm not even a big drinker, i'm just saying).

The cost of alcohol means nothing. Sure if people are willing to spend €30 in taxis and €20 in entry fees before they even get a drink on nights out, what is raising the price of a bottle of Fosters in Lidl gonna do?

ItsAWindUp

While I feel enormous sympathy for the man and his family, it really does sound like he is passing the buck here. Chances are this young man would have killed himself regardless of whether or not he was drunk, and I fail to see the connection between the price of the alcohol.

jackie1974

Chances are the father made a comment about booze as he was trying to make sense of his son's death and the Journalist picked up on that and used it for a good spin, the Journalist is the bullsh!t merchant and clown not the Dad.

Drink doesn't cause suicide but it lowers the inhibitions of a suicidal person and makes suicide an option. The only way to prevent suicide especially in young adults is by investing in facilities such as drop in centres, school councillers, help lines, mental health centres. Young people are basically ignored IMO and mental health comes way down the list.

People are often turned away when they present themselves as needing help and have nowhere to turn to so is any wonder we have such a huge suicide rate.

al28283

Some poor chap died a few months ago after spending 12 hours on his xbox. The next day some were calling for automatic shutdowns on all consoles after 2 hours play.