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pure breed

I have a friend who's Bull has turned out to be not eligible for the BDGP (he was told on purchase that he was but upon Genomics test wasn't)
and I was wondering if we could lend/rent one of our Bulls to him?

Base price

pure breed wrote: »

I have a friend who's Bull has turned out to be not eligible for the BDGP (he was told on purchase that he was but upon Genomics test wasn't)
and I was wondering if we could lend/rent one of our Bulls to him?

You would have to move him into your friends herd while he is using him and then he would have to move him back into yours when he is finished with him. I will show as two owners/movements when you come to sell him and may affect his price.

High bike

pure breed wrote: »

I have a friend who's Bull has turned out to be not eligible for the BDGP (he was told on purchase that he was but upon Genomics test wasn't)
and I was wondering if we could lend/rent one of our Bulls to him?

who said he was eligible the seller or icbf?

pure breed

ICBF he faces a loss in money unless he gets a 4 or 5 star bull in.

The seller said he was eligible but Genomics test proved different.

pure breed

Base price wrote:

You would have to move him into your friends herd while he is using him and then he would have to move him back into yours when he is finished with him. I will show as two owners/movements when you come to sell him and may affect his price.

Yeah I was thinking that alright, I was just wondering how long he would need him for in order to be above board with the BDGP regulations.

tanko

pure breed wrote: »

Yeah I was thinking that alright, I was just wondering how long he would need him for in order to be above board with the BDGP regulations.

Have a look at the BDGP terms and conditions on agriculture.gov.ie.
It looks like he needs to have a qualifying bull on his holding on 30th June 2020 and must have calves off this bull born on his farm.
The bull must be retained on his farm for a year and if sold must be replaced by another qualifying bull which must produce calves also. The replacement bull would have to be kept until 30th June 2021.
Maybe i'm wrong but that's what it looks like to me.

squinn2912

bogman_bass wrote: »

Take them over a CH any day

Really? Why? We’ve had 3 ch bulls here all excellent. One wasn’t easy to calve. Never had a blue I could see it ever happening

Sugarbowl

Anyone order straws from Munster? How long does it generally take to receive them?

patsy_mccabe

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Anyone order straws from Munster? How long does it generally take to receive them?

Depends where they are going. If you are ordering pre-order straws from them for your own Munster technician, then a matter of days.

Sugarbowl

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Depends where they are going. If you are ordering pre-order straws from them for your own Munster technician, then a matter of days.

No sending to another company technician

bogman_bass

Sugarbowl wrote: »

No sending to another company technician

Depends on the day of the week they deliver to the company and then the day of the week the tech gets his straws.

Could take 3 days could take 2 weeks

bogman_bass

squinn2912 wrote: »

Really? Why? We’ve had 3 ch bulls here all excellent. One wasn’t easy to calve. Never had a blue I could see it ever happening

Calves are softer than the blues, hard calved, crap cows and need every day of 30 months to finish.

Now I was talking about the calves rather tan a stock bull because I use AI so that would be a different story Blue Stock bulls come with their own problems but in general CH stock are the most overrated breed in my opinion

carrollsno1

tanko wrote: »

Have a look at the BDGP terms and conditions on agriculture.gov.ie.
It looks like he needs to have a qualifying bull on his holding on 30th June 2020 and must have calves off this bull born on his farm.
The bull must be retained on his farm for a year and if sold must be replaced by another qualifying bull which must produce calves also. The replacement bull would have to be kept until 30th June 2021.
Maybe i'm wrong but that's what it looks like to me.

So say weve a 5 star bull as is and we buy in a new young bull this year (seller says he has the stars) and say he doesnt have the stars will the old bull cover us for that then? Hes only serving a few older cows this season and then hitting the road later on this year.

adne

bogman_bass wrote: »

Calves are softer than the blues, hard calved, crap cows and need every day of 30 months to finish.

Now I was talking about the calves rather tan a stock bull because I use AI so that would be a different story Blue Stock bulls come with their own problems but in general CH stock are the most overrated breed in my opinion

Ch the best seller as weanlings or stores. Blues a very narrow market if selling. There also a disaster as a cow. Crap feet. Crap calvers. Short life

adne

bogman_bass wrote: »

Calves are softer than the blues, hard calved, crap cows and need every day of 30 months to finish.

Now I was talking about the calves rather tan a stock bull because I use AI so that would be a different story Blue Stock bulls come with their own problems but in general CH stock are the most overrated breed in my opinion

Ch the best seller as weanlings or stores. Blues a very narrow market if selling. There also a disaster as a cow. Crap feet. Crap calvers. Short life

tanko

carrollsno1 wrote: »

So say weve a 5 star bull as is and we buy in a new young bull this year (seller says he has the stars) and say he doesnt have the stars will the old bull cover us for that then? Hes only serving a few older cows this season and then hitting the road later on this year.

I was looking at the terms and conditions for BDGP 2 not BDGP 1.

If you're in BDGP 1 you only need to keep the old bull until July 1st this year to cover yourself. I dint think you need any bull after that.

pure breed

tanko wrote:

If you're in BDGP 1 you only need to keep the old bull until July 1st this year to cover yourself. I dint think you need any bull after that.

That would be excellent for my neighbour so if he was in BDGP 1. As he would only need the Bull for couple months? Would you know the dates for BDGP 1 and BDGP 2. We are in 1 but not sure about neighbour.

squinn2912

bogman_bass wrote: »

Calves are softer than the blues, hard calved, crap cows and need every day of 30 months to finish.

Now I was talking about the calves rather tan a stock bull because I use AI so that would be a different story Blue Stock bulls come with their own problems but in general CH stock are the most overrated breed in my opinion

My experience is there’s not much difference in calf hardiness. Can be harder calved but bb can be very muscly as calves too so little in it. I’m not really a finisher but there must be some reason why ch are way ahead at weanling or store sales. If a ch cow comes from milk she’s a fine mother. Over the years the blue cows seem not to last a wipe.

High bike

tanko wrote: »

I was looking at the terms and conditions for BDGP 2 not BDGP 1.

If you're in BDGP 1 you only need to keep the old bull until July 1st this year to cover yourself. I dint think you need any bull after that.

correct u have to have a 4 or 5 star bull on30th June

bogman_bass

adne wrote: »

Ch the best seller as weanlings or stores. Blues a very narrow market if selling. There also a disaster as a cow. Crap feet. Crap calvers. Short life

Lads around the ring seem to worry more about the colour of the hair than the quality of the beast.
My oldest cow is a 11th calved BbxFr

I know most will disagree with me here but I’ve tried them and they don’t do it it for me.
I can get Parthenaise and simentals to heavier weights earlier than Charolais and if I was to buy them at the mart I’d get them cheaper.

adne

bogman_bass wrote: »

Lads around the ring seem to worry more about the colour of the hair than the quality of the beast.
My oldest cow is a 11th calved BbxFr

I know most will disagree with me here but I’ve tried them and they don’t do it it for me.
I can get Parthenaise and simentals to heavier weights earlier than Charolais and if I was to buy them at the mart I’d get them cheaper.

An option if your finishing for sure but if your selling at any stage in their life pre finish nothing touches ch.
Blue Is down the list behind ch lm, sim, aa for selling

patsy_mccabe

Is the BB type export trade to Italy completely dead now?

Sugarbowl

Anyone here using Eurogene this year? Any experience of some nice bulls they have? Would be looking out for ones without hard calving. Thanks

squinn2912

adne wrote: »

An option if your finishing for sure but if your selling at any stage in their life pre finish nothing touches ch.
Blue Is down the list behind ch lm, sim, aa for selling

That’s the thing just look at the FJ from a few weeks ago when they did the price calculator thing. Ch miles in front and lim pacing, sim lads taking a hit Lookin heifers but blues might as well be in along with others.
You might get one or two cows to buck a trend surely. We had a who dunnit out of a blue lim cow so she’s some blue in her. One of our best cows early calves every year. There’s maybe 8/10 ch all here a good while and then 35 lim. If you were arguing lim over ch I’d be more inclined to agree

Hard Knocks

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Anyone here using Eurogene this year? Any experience of some nice bulls they have? Would be looking out for ones without hard calving. Thanks

Use Eurogene here
Any particular breed you want to try?

Sugarbowl

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Use Eurogene here
Any particular breed you want to try?

Very good, anything you like in particular? Would be interested in the usual mix CH LM SA etc
I’ve used them a few times before just wondering if anyone else had a trial and tested favorite!

Hard Knocks

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Very good, anything you like in particular? Would be interested in the usual mix CH LM SA etc
I’ve used them a few times before just wondering if anyone else had a trial and tested favorite!

CH
CH 2178 FFK & ALU bring good muscle weanlings but need height in cow
UNV doesn’t need the height but calves not as muscular
CH2195 hit or miss
LM
ABI UBY FZM LM2179 brought excellent calves
(See on ICBF where 2179 killed an E)
JSS is easy calved on heifers, daughter has lots of milk
Used LM4007 once, wasn’t happy
Neighbour uses as LM option and has great calves
BB
Great results off RSA CEQ ODY CKG (1 killed an E)
SI
CQA YFK great calves, sold well, sadly were bulls

Didn’t use SA

Sugarbowl

Cheers Hardknocks. Very informative there, I’ll work off that. I have bulled one for the Autumn with LM4007. What didn’t you like? Was it hard calving?

Hard Knocks

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Cheers Hardknocks. Very informative there, I’ll work off that. I have bulled one for the Autumn with LM4007. What didn’t you like? Was it hard calving?

Put on a first calving heifer
Easy calved, but calf was only a good store, was expecting better

Barron lad

Has anyone any thoughts on blues from dovea ?

Using them on blonde and parthenaise cows, looking for a bull that will be easily calved.Thanks.