Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

ManRed20

Has anyone any experience with Whitecliffe James? What sort of calves is he breeding?

Hard Knocks

ManRed20 wrote: »

Has anyone any experience with Whitecliffe James? What sort of calves is he breeding?

Depends on the cow
Have a super muscle calf off him (cow would have a bit) But small
Heard of plain cows with tall plain calves
Easy calved and short gestation (283 days)

milligan2

3EAF0CE4-115C-4E03-90EA-112286C75688.jpegLodge Hamlet heifer 185 days old,nice animal,long and wide.They should price him a bit lower and he fly out the door with the commercial lads

Sugarbowl

Does anyone know if we still need to meet the 80% 4/5 star bull AI requirement for BDGP 1? As in the cows I am currently bulling to calve down in 2021. Thanks

tanko

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Does anyone know if we still need to meet the 80% 4/5 star bull AI requirement for BDGP 1? As in the cows I am currently bulling to calve down in 2021. Thanks

That 80% requirement is only for calves born up to the end of this month.

BDGP 1 ends on October 31 so you can use whatever bulls you want for next year afaik.

RobinBanks

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Ya, these figures are percentiles for the breed, so 79 would be 79 out of 100. 50 would be average for the breed.

Jolly is 21% for Muscle overall and 74% for skeletal overall. So it depends how you interpret that. To me that's big open type cows. His back breeding, as said already, is very good too.

https://webapp.icbf.com/v2/app/bull-search/view/1241276783

Hi Patsy, is there anyway to filter list of bulls based on skeletal data. Say if i wanted to call up all bulls less that 50 on height at withers, is it possible to do this? i looked at the page you linked but i didnt see a way to do this.

patsy_mccabe

RobinBanks wrote: »

Hi Patsy, is there anyway to filter list of bulls based on skeletal data. Say if i wanted to call up all bulls less that 50 on height at withers, is it possible to do this? i looked at the page you linked but i didnt see a way to do this.

No, it can't be done. I posted about this a while back. I was trying to do something like that, filter or sort the 'sub-indexes' of skeletal for height etc.
The only way you do it is manually and look up each bull after you have sorted them for skeletal. Very slow. Maybe one day ICBf will release all the data in Excel form.

john mayo 10

How do ye find ch bull fiston from Progressive?
Have a few ai'd to him. Are they born big / small?. Etc

milligan2

Fiston is a seriously good bull,born small and lively and after a month turn into muscle machines,great sellers as weanlings.
Works best on CH Lm cross cows with a bit of height,can come a bit plain off pure CH

tanko

john mayo 10 wrote: »

How do ye find ch bull fiston from Progressive?
Have a few ai'd to him. Are they born big / small?. Etc

I've always found him very easy calved on cows, never had to assist any unless it was a twin coming backwards.
He's lighter boned than most CH bulls. They're usually born small but don't be long shaping up.

ABitofsense

Anyone use Tomschoice Imperial, LM2117?

I was looking at the used straws & our AI man used him last week on one of the cows. Not sure which one exactly so the calving difficulty is worrying me. It was supposed to be Knell or ZAG.

50HX

Unless she's v narrow i wouldnt be overly worried at 6.7% calv diff

john mayo 10

milligan2 wrote: »

Fiston is a seriously good bull,born small and lively and after a month turn into muscle machines,great sellers as weanlings.
Works best on CH Lm cross cows with a bit of height,can come a bit plain off pure CH

Good stuff. I have mostly simmentals, limousine and saler cows so should be ok

squinn2912

john mayo 10 wrote: »

Good stuff. I have mostly simmentals, limousine and saler cows so should be ok

Have you used the ch bull fenian at all? Seems a second rate compared to fiston. We’ve one heifer out of him crossed with a big white blue cross cow. She was always a fantastic growing animal but not as shapey as I expected. Calved about 6 weeks ago and Doing a good job

Hard Knocks

squinn2912 wrote: »

Have you used the ch bull fenian at all? Seems a second rate compared to fiston. We’ve one heifer out of him crossed with a big white blue cross cow. She was always a fantastic growing animal but not as shapey as I expected. Calved about 6 weeks ago and Doing a good job

Fiston has 1 form of the Q204 muscle gene while Fenian doesn’t

adne

squinn2912 wrote: »

Have you used the ch bull fenian at all? Seems a second rate compared to fiston. We’ve one heifer out of him crossed with a big white blue cross cow. She was always a fantastic growing animal but not as shapey as I expected. Calved about 6 weeks ago and Doing a good job

Fenian cattle have better frames and bone but less muscle.

squinn2912

Bought a wee sim bull to run with heifers. What do yous think of him?

tanko

He's very white, are you sure he's not a Charolais??

Lady Haywire

tanko wrote: »

He's very white, are you sure he's not a Charolais??

:D

Dunno what's got into our cows, three in heat today- A PB limo 2 months calved & a mother & daughter. The mother had the massive white calf not 6 weeks ago which needed help so I expected her to carry out to 3 months after calving, her daughter is only a month calved.
Going to try out one of those red gene blues on the ch cow, she carries some sort of red gene as her daughter (the one in heat today too) had a roan calf this year to a lm bull.

Any ch which goes well with a Salers? Wanted Eclair but AI man hasn't got him.

Hard Knocks

Lady Haywire wrote: »

:D

Dunno what's got into our cows, three in heat today- A PB limo 2 months calved & a mother & daughter. The mother had the massive white calf not 6 weeks ago which needed help so I expected her to carry out to 3 months after calving, her daughter is only a month calved.
Going to try out one of those red gene blues on the ch cow, she carries some sort of red gene as her daughter (the one in heat today too) had a roan calf this year to a lm bull.

Any ch which goes well with a Salers? Wanted Eclair but AI man hasn't got him.

You’re Dovea
Loki, Bud, Liscally Eti or Jasper 2

Lady Haywire

Hard Knocks wrote: »

You’re Dovea
Loki, Bud, Liscally Eti or Jasper 2

Bova/Dovea

Loki or Bud were my picks so will see what he has!

He has the straws I looked for for the earlier cows but I didn't expect these ones yet. Typical.

GiantPencil

Lady Haywire wrote: »

Bova/Dovea

Loki or Bud were my picks so will see what he has!

He has the straws I looked for for the earlier cows but I didn't expect these ones yet. Typical.

Would love to see a Hideal (HJD) off a Saler, reckon they'd be a good combination seeing as his beef stats are very good and I can't imagine it being a difficult calving either on a mature cow

squinn2912

tanko wrote: »

He's very white, are you sure he's not a Charolais??

Won’t upload it keeps saying 2 mb is too big... imagine a lovely Simmental bull

tanko

squinn2912 wrote: »

Won’t upload it keeps saying 2 mb is too big... imagine a lovely Simmental bull

What’s his breeding?

patsy_mccabe

squinn2912 wrote: »

Won’t upload it keeps saying 2 mb is too big... imagine a lovely Simmental bull

Right click on the file and open with MS paint. Save AS and save in *.JPEG format. That will reduce the file size.

squinn2912

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Right click on the file and open with MS paint. Save AS and save in *.JPEG format. That will reduce the file size.

Thanks lad. It’s on the phone. Any way of doing it on it?

john mayo 10

squinn2912 wrote: »

Thanks lad. It’s on the phone. Any way of doing it on it?

Take a screenshot and upload it

squinn2912

Well?

patsy_mccabe

squinn2912 wrote: »

Well?

Water........

Mac Taylor

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Water........

Could do with some if you have some spare:D