Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

MeheeHohee

Would ZCH be suitable for pedigree heifers? Have 4 nice PED 2 yr olds and thinking of using him. Anyone have calves on him? Info on calving difficulty as info on the website is low index reliability

patsy_mccabe

MeheeHohee wrote: »

Would ZCH be suitable for pedigree heifers? Have 4 nice PED 2 yr olds and thinking of using him. Anyone have calves on him? Info on calving difficulty as info on the website is low index reliability

Might be better wait till he's at least, proven for calving.

ger b

Has anyone any experience of using okh lim bull(keltic handsome )?

tanko

ger b wrote: »

Has anyone any experience of using okh lim bull(keltic handsome )?

Hardly too many calves around off him yet, I'd say there'll be plenty in the spring.

ger b

Cheers tanko uncle has a good dancer heifer (off a broadmeadows cannon cow) he's thinking of putting him on her

tanko

ger b wrote: »

Cheers tanko uncle has a good dancer heifer (off a broadmeadows cannon cow) he's thinking of putting him on her

He's a nice looking bull alrite. Kaprico Eravelle seems to be very popular on pedigree heifers.

limo_100

tanko wrote: »

He's a nice looking bull alrite. Kaprico Eravelle seems to be very popular on pedigree heifers.

hes off ampertaine commander your thinking of the the new tomschoise bulls. I wonder why they bother with two of them and both of the same bull

tanko

You can get Eravelle straws off powerful genetics. Looks like a super bull for heifers.

limo_100

tanko wrote: »

You can get Eravelle straws off powerful genetics. Looks like a super bull for heifers.

thats the bull the tomschoice bulls are off, i think doeva have another one, hes suppose to be excellent for calving ease there better than black bulls and short gestations

patsy_mccabe

tanko wrote: »

You can get Eravelle straws off powerful genetics. Looks like a super bull for heifers.

Here he is, Kaprico Eravelle;

Future Farmer

ger b wrote: »

Has anyone any experience of using okh lim bull(keltic handsome )?

Only 5 Calvings in August Proof, I'd expect there to be a big jump in reliability after the December Proof.

Know a few who have used him, happy with calving easy and short gestation for LM.

ger b

Eravelle fine looking animal.with his sire I'd have taught he'd be higher up on the maternal side of things, where keltic seems to have him there terminal side eravelle has it. Looks like a flip of coin job so

ger b

Future Farmer wrote: »

Only 5 Calvings in August Proof, I'd expect there to be a big jump in reliability after the December Proof.

Know a few who have used him, happy with calving easy and short gestation for LM.

The lads that used him have anything to say about the quality (shapey,quite etc)?

sonnybill

ger b wrote: »

Eravelle fine looking animal.with his sire I'd have taught he'd be higher up on the maternal side of things, where keltic seems to have him there terminal side eravelle has it. Looks like a flip of coin job so

Fine looking animal that eravelle .. I ai'd one three sat .. Choices were HCA or ZAG .. Went with ZAG for a change, I have 2 blondes to do and if I had ordered in straws in time I would have got Bourvil the Part bull for those 2

limo_100

sonnybill wrote: »

Fine looking animal that eravelle .. I ai'd one three sat .. Choices were HCA or ZAG .. Went with ZAG for a change, I have 2 blondes to do and if I had ordered in straws in time I would have got Bourvil the Part bull for those 2

same as that I started ai the autumn calvers on sat put ZCH on hes an impressive looking bull,

sonnybill

limo_100 wrote: »

same as that I started ai the autumn calvers on sat put ZCH on hes an impressive looking bull,

Bourvil S1363 the part looks impressive @ 2.6% calving diff .

I not used of autumn calving but if I choose to offload these again I hope they be okay time wise

bogman_bass

sonnybill wrote: »

Bourvil S1363 the part looks impressive @ 2.6% calving diff .

€35 a straw though. I sold a bull by him recently. good bull but not for commercial men.

Have you tried Hurricane Gonzo yet?

Future Farmer

ger b wrote: »

The lads that used him have anything to say about the quality (shapey,quite etc)?

Trevor Boland (Bunna Agri): ZCH Honduras Bull calf off a Sultan STQ BB cow. Born September 2015.

MeheeHohee

Anyone have any suggestions for Pedigree limousine cows, not happy with my calves from last yr. Have been looking at Wilodge Enrico, VDT, ZAG and Ampertaine Gigolo any one have any experience with these? Looking for a well muscled Bull

patsy_mccabe

ZCH does seem to have a good depth of body. Some of these limousins are too tight gutted for my liking.

50HX

anyone with any experience with WRO - have a Limx heifer calving down early in the new year

tanko

MeheeHohee wrote: »

Anyone have any suggestions for Pedigree limousine cows, not happy with my calves from last yr. Have been looking at Wilodge Enrico, VDT, ZAG and Ampertaine Gigolo any one have any experience with these? Looking for a well muscled Bull

I'm no expert on pedigree breeding, don't have any pedigree lims but have an interest in it. Have some commercial cows in calf to ZAG but he's completely unproven yet.
What Bulls were you not happy with? If you want muscle what about Haltcliffe Dancer, should bring loads of muscle and you can get 10 straws for €275.

ger b

Have used dancer a couple of times great cattle mas due clo throws great bulls not so sure how handy got he is maybe throu the limo society

ruben37

Guys and Girls if you had a good producing pedigree CH dam with loads of milk, would you take chance using a sire with a bad milk rating. Something along the lines of a one star for milk IE LGL and cf85 to add some Terminal traits to replacements? Lot of people are recommending GPD for her as she is a mature cow but he is a five star for milk. Often in the spring/summer I have had to close this cow of in the corner of the field as she puts up a serious udder at grass her dam line descends from a British Friesian cow many moons ago.

sonnybill

bogman_bass wrote: »

€35 a straw though. I sold a bull by him recently. good bull but not for commercial men.

Have you tried Hurricane Gonzo yet?

oh yeah that's crazy money never in a month of sundays would I spend that for a heifers first calf.

is gonzo easy calved and no I have not tried him yet

RobinBanks

MeheeHohee wrote: »

Anyone have any suggestions for Pedigree limousine cows, not happy with my calves from last yr. Have been looking at Wilodge Enrico, VDT, ZAG and Ampertaine Gigolo any one have any experience with these? Looking for a well muscled Bull

You wouldn't go wrong with ampertaine foreman or marchermore augustus. Two serious bulls. Seen calves from both and was very impressed.

I'm actually thinking of getting back into the pedigrees again. Let me know if you hear of any broomfield regentcey cows/heifers for sale.

Farrell

ruben37 wrote: »

Guys and Girls if you had a good producing pedigree CH dam with loads of milk, would you take chance using a sire with a bad milk rating. Something along the lines of a one star for milk IE LGL and cf85 to add some Terminal traits to replacements? Lot of people are recommending GPD for her as she is a mature cow but he is a five star for milk. Often in the spring/summer I have had to close this cow of in the corner of the field as she puts up a serious udder at grass her dam line descends from a British Friesian cow many moons ago.

Purebred with BF background?
Would you not use a bull, with -3/-5 for milk like CH2066

ruben37

Can I PM you her pedigree?

bogman_bass

sonnybill wrote: »

oh yeah that's crazy money never in a month of sundays would I spend that for a heifers first calf.

is gonzo easy calved and no I have not tried him yet

I wouldn't use him on heifers anyways. Not woeful hard at 6.3% but I would be careful at the same time

we have onecrossbred lad off him and he's the best calf we ever had. 380kg at under 10 months and no meal. A pure ball of muscle. Very placid too

ALANC81

MeheeHohee wrote: »

Anyone have any suggestions for Pedigree limousine cows, not happy with my calves from last yr. Have been looking at Wilodge Enrico, VDT, ZAG and Ampertaine Gigolo any one have any experience with these? Looking for a well muscled Bull

Enrico is a good bull we got €4,000 for a bull by him 2 weeks ago. ZAG should be very good the breeding is there anyway. Gigalo is another good bull. Look at Ampertaine Commander, Honduras, TVR, On dit, Cerberus, FTY and Forman just to name a few.

All those bulls will give you quality cattle and all bar TVR are suitable for heifers.

Mad4simmental

ALANC81 wrote: »

Enrico is a good bull we got €4,000 for a bull by him 2 weeks ago. ZAG should be very good the breeding is there anyway. Gigalo is another good bull. Look at Ampertaine Commander, Honduras, TVR, On dit, Cerberus, FTY and Forman just to name a few.

All those bulls will give you quality cattle and all bar TVR are suitable for heifers.

What age was the bull you sold?

ALANC81

Mad4simmental wrote: »

What age was the bull you sold?

18 months

Mad4simmental

ALANC81 wrote: »

18 months

Nice, but you'd want it all the same.

ALANC81

Mad4simmental wrote: »

Nice, but you'd want it all the same.

You would but he wasn't pushed he was on grass and only getting 10Lbs of barley and bean mix per day for 3 months before sale.

Farrell

ALANC81 wrote: »

You would but he wasn't pushed he was on grass and only getting 10Lbs of barley and bean mix per day for 3 months before sale.

What sort of ratio do you use? Would you give anything else?
Sorry for all the questions

Farrell

ruben37 wrote: »

Can I PM you her pedigree?

No point, I've realised recently that I know damn all, Bulls I like have poor ratings. There is a few guys here who seam good. I like this thread & the ones on Charolais bull to give insight.
Is she an upgraded ped if she has BF background?

bogman_bass

Any of you pedigree LM boys think of using FL21 again?

Future Farmer

MeheeHohee wrote: »

Anyone have any suggestions for Pedigree limousine cows, not happy with my calves from last yr. Have been looking at Wilodge Enrico, VDT, ZAG and Ampertaine Gigolo any one have any experience with these? Looking for a well muscled Bull

Why would you use Wilodge Enrico, VDT, ZAG and Ampertaine Gigolo (easy calving heifer bulls - more or less)?

If you want more muscle would GWO Day or Cameos not suit you better?

tanko

bogman_bass wrote: »

Any of you pedigree LM boys think of using FL21 again?

As commercial cows, do his daughters have any milk?

Future Farmer

ALANC81 wrote: »

Enrico is a good bull we got €4,000 for a bull by him 2 weeks ago. ZAG should be very good the breeding is there anyway. Gigalo is another good bull. Look at Ampertaine Commander, Honduras, TVR, On dit, Cerberus, FTY and Forman just to name a few.

All those bulls will give you quality cattle and all bar TVR are suitable for heifers.

That's what you want!

FTY Dead - Terminal Sire only - poor on docility - according to Progressive Genetics

Rosalish Goulding has said that On Dit ONI is not a heifers bull.

ALANC81

Future Farmer wrote: »

That's what you want!

FTY Dead - Terminal Sire only - poor on docility - according to Progressive Genetics

Rosalish Goulding has said that On Dit ONI is not a heifers bull.

FTY as in Lennon Frosty dead- Terminal sire only? That's a load of crap anyway. Any calves we have by him were no more than 30kgs born and grow well afterwards. Calves can be a little flighty for a while but they do calm down with age. He is easy calving and a plus for milk.

ON-DIT not a heifers bull why he is 5.5% for calving difficulty with a material index of 151.
I've seen to many heifers calves by ON-DIT to be told other wise.

ALANC81

Farrell wrote: »

What sort of ratio do you use? Would you give anything else?
Sorry for all the questions

We mix 50/50 barley and beans and get a bag of minerals as well. We know nothing about mixing meal we just know that's working for now.

ALANC81

Future Farmer wrote: »

Why would you use Wilodge Enrico, VDT, ZAG and Ampertaine Gigolo (easy calving heifer bulls - more or less)?

If you want more muscle would GWO Day or Cameos not suit you better?

I'll answer that for you. He'd use those easy calving heifers bulls on cows because there good breeding bulls when used on cows and heifers. Easy calving does not mean they won't grow well.

Future Farmer

ALANC81 wrote: »

FTY as in Lennon Frosty dead- Terminal sire only? That's a load of crap anyway. Any calves we have by him were no more than 30kgs born and grow well afterwards. Calves can be a little flighty for a while but they do calm down with age. He is easy calving and a plus for milk.

ON-DIT not a heifers bull why he is 5.5% for calving difficulty with a material index of 151.
I've seen to many heifers calves by ON-DIT to be told other wise.

FTY -.4kg for milk (low reliability). 3 Star Replacement bull. I have seen great calves by high, but for me he is a terminal sire, docility is important.

ONI's Calving Difficulty is based largely on pedigree breeders, and in general I do not trust the quality of the information they put in. He's a bull for breeding heifers not putting on heifers, we got our wires a little crossed.

Future Farmer

ALANC81 wrote: »

I'll answer that for you. He'd use those easy calving heifers bulls on cows because there good breeding bulls when used on cows and heifers. Easy calving does not mean they won't grow well.

I know that Alan, but he said he wants more muscle & bulls for cows...

patsy_mccabe

ALANC81 wrote: »

FTY as in Lennon Frosty dead- Terminal sire only? That's a load of crap anyway. Any calves we have by him were no more than 30kgs born and grow well afterwards. Calves can be a little flighty for a while but they do calm down with age. He is easy calving and a plus for milk....

FTY is by Wilodge Cerberus. I have a Cerberus heifer in a shed at the moment and I have the door padlocked. No kidding, she's that crazy.:mad: I'm afraid someone will go in there.

ICBF have FTY in the bottom 2% for docility, so stay well clear of him. Just not worth the hassle.

ALANC81

Future Farmer wrote: »

FTY -.4kg for milk (low reliability). 3 Star Replacement bull. I have seen great calves by high, but for me he is a terminal sire, docility is important.

ONI's Calving Difficulty is based largely on pedigree breeders, and in general I do not trust the quality of the information they put in. He's a bull for breeding heifers not putting on heifers, we got our wires a little crossed.

FTY is above the breed average for milk so he is a plus he's 4 stars. He's a Cerberus out of a lino cow so he should be good for milk.
I can see his maternal index rising in the future.

ON-DIT is fine on heifers plane and simple.
The information is good.

patsy_mccabe

MeheeHohee wrote: »

Anyone have any suggestions for Pedigree limousine cows, not happy with my calves from last yr. Have been looking at Wilodge Enrico, VDT, ZAG and Ampertaine Gigolo any one have any experience with these? Looking for a well muscled Bull

What about Dinmore Goldcrest S1571. I haven't seen any calves yet but you have Vantastic and Ronick hawk in the breeding. Hawk should bring milk. Not the easiest for calving though.

Kovu

ALANC81 wrote: »

FTY is above the breed average for milk so he is a plus he's 4 stars. He's a Cerberus out of a lino cow so he should be good for milk.
I can see his maternal index rising in the future.

Not if they're nutty as squirrel poo!

Edited to add- I've heard very good things about Virginia Andy from the AI man, he's dear though, think €50 a straw.

ALANC81

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

FTY is by Wilodge Cerberus. I have a Cerberus heifer in a shed at the moment and I have the door padlocked. No kidding, she's that crazy.:mad: I'm afraid someone will go in there.

ICBF have FTY in the bottom 2% for docility, so stay well clear of him. Just not worth the hassle.

That's not good to here and she's as well in the factory if she's that bad.
Honestly our FTY calves are nothing like that.