Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

limo_100

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Both from the same yellow char cow, who was short of milk. The first I had to get rid of, as she tested positive for neospora (she had aborted). Still have the second. Not the milkiest, but nice style to her.
Here's IS4 mother;

I suppose its unfair to ask a bull to bring up a cow from very little, Id say there not over big either, its hard to get a bull with loads of milk there just not out there. We all could do with a few cows have as good as her,Hes 146 of a replacement index and hes by a bull star hugo and my uncle used to milk star hugo cows

Future Farmer

tanko wrote: »

I didn't realise he's around do long. Hardly any Mas Du Clo sons in Ai now, only one I ever used was TKO, he was a super bull.
I don't suppose you know where I could get 50 Highlander straws, he bred serious cattle and very easy calved too.

No idea, but did you see Peter Brophy's sale there in KK recently LMx Heifers all in calf to Highlander? He's going dairy.

Your local PG/Munster salesperson, you'd be surprised what can be found...

mikeoh

Anyone use doveas saler bull KKB....I have a bunch of blue heifers and I want a bit of hight and no musle

tanko

March 12 On Dit bull

tanko

Today

limo_100

on man thats a fair calf 380kg plus id say are you gona sell him for keep him for the winter?? he pass as a charolais in the sell no bother. did he get any creep

tanko

limo_100 wrote: »

on man thats a fair calf 380kg plus id say are you gona sell him for keep him for the winter?? he pass as a charolais in the sell no bother. did he get any creep

Haven't decided what to do with him yet, he hasn't got any creep. The cow is one of the best I have, I try to get a heifer of her every year but she's only had one out of six so far. She's in calf to Fiston.
According to Icbf he's got 5 stars for replacement index, docility, Carcase weight and carcase conformation and 4 stars for terminal index and daughters milk. Maybe I'll let him out with the cows next year:pac:

limo_100

tanko wrote: »

Haven't decided what to do with him yet, he hasn't got any creep. The cow is one of the best I have, I try to get a heifer of her every year but she's only had one out of six so far. She's in calf to Fiston.
According to Icbf he's got 5 stars for replacement index, docility, Carcase weight and carcase conformation and 4 stars for terminal index and daughters milk. Maybe I'll let him out with the cows next year:pac:

sure he would probaly be fit to bull now already. I was told that fistons replacment figures are expected to drop of as the daughers will be bad calvers with all the muscle and they dont no where the milk figures came out of

Farrell

Future Farmer wrote: »

Used mainly in pedigree herds, only 85 births in Ireland. Interesting looking old bull (10 yrs in April). €4,200 in Roscrea in 2007. Locomotion and functionality takes a bit of a hammering in his linear type.

Serious index.

Wonder what it will do when he starts going in commercial cows?

(Just got off the phone to someone in the know apparently Docility & Gestation are what lets him down)

Looking at Eurogene catalog & he's 5 stars for docility. 2.13 for daughter CI.
YNE looks a nice bull, lighter frame

welton john

mikeoh wrote: »

Anyone use doveas saler bull KKB....I have a bunch of blue heifers and I want a bit of hight and no musle

Got 3 calves off him this year one bull , sold as a suck. Kept the two heifers a roan coloured one off a milking shorthorn and a black off a Bf. Both are low sized really square cows and their two of the poorest calves we ever got. Growthy but very plain. Might/should be a different story off a blue. One thing you won't have to worry about is calving ease.Have 4 pzb heifers from dairy cows and they're way better heifers

mikeoh

Im not sure what to give the few blue heifers they have shape but lacking height....was thinking saler might be the way to go and boost the old stars abit , I dont want to chance limousin fear I get too much muscle first time out calving......the old tried and trusted shorthorns be the way to go!!!......but if salers are plain , I'd rather take small over plain

welton john

mikeoh wrote: »

Im not sure what to give the few blue heifers they have shape but lacking height....was thinking saler might be the way to go and boost the old stars abit , I dont want to chance limousin fear I get too much muscle first time out calving......the old tried and trusted shorthorns be the way to go!!!......but if salers are plain , I'd rather take small over plain

A nice one wouldnt be plain tho.Would you try the bull garou. Looks a really balanced bull. Or is it all dovea you use? They have a nice new bull too ,ulsan.

pure breed

welton john wrote: »

Got 3 calves off him this year one bull , sold as a suck. Kept the two heifers a roan coloured one off a milking shorthorn and a black off a Bf. Both are low sized really square cows and their two of the poorest calves we ever got. Growthy but very plain. Might/should be a different story off a blue. One thing you won't have to worry about is calving ease.Have 4 pzb heifers from dairy cows and they're way better heifers

That doesn't sound too positive about Fiston were using him on a few SI;s this year and hope to get few heifers hopefully.
Also thinking of using Voimo looks a nice Bull figures also good on ICBF.
Has anyone tried the SI Bull Curaheen Earp last year or before ???

tanko

pure breed wrote: »

That doesn't sound too positive about Fiston were using him on a few SI;s this year and hope to get few heifers hopefully.
Also thinking of using Voimo looks a nice Bull figures also good on ICBF.
Has anyone tried the SI Bull Curaheen Earp last year or before ???

Don't think he was talking about Fiston there, was about the Saler bull KKB I think.
Fiston is a very good bull, whether his daughters will be any good as cows remains to be seen.

pure breed

tanko wrote: »

Don't think he was talking about Fiston there, was about the Saler bull KKB I think.
Fiston is a very good bull, whether his daughters will be any good as cows remains to be seen.

Well I suppose we'll have good weanling heifers for sale then out him

bogman_bass

pure breed wrote: »

That doesn't sound too positive about Fiston were using him on a few SI;s this year and hope to get few heifers hopefully.
Also thinking of using Voimo looks a nice Bull figures also good on ICBF.
Has anyone tried the SI Bull Curaheen Earp last year or before ???

His straws only went out in the past couple of months so it'll be a while before there are calves on the ground

sonnybill

tanko wrote: »

Haven't decided what to do with him yet, he hasn't got any creep. The cow is one of the best I have, I try to get a heifer of her every year but she's only had one out of six so far. She's in calf to Fiston.
According to Icbf he's got 5 stars for replacement index, docility, Carcase weight and carcase conformation and 4 stars for terminal index and daughters milk. Maybe I'll let him out with the cows next year:pac:

See that calf there now .. He presents a dilemma to me as he is 50% CH X yet as he is off a lim sire he is LM X on card .., I know boys that ask me about the card on a yellow and will not buy a yellow bull if he LM on card! Once you register a Lim Sire on a CH dam it comes up LM .. Same boys happy to buy a hairy yellow from a lim dam that has CH on card

tanko

sonnybill wrote: »

See that calf there now .. He presents a dilemma to me as he is 50% CH X yet as he is off a lim sire he is LM X on card .., I know boys that ask me about the card on a yellow and will not buy a yellow bull if he LM on card! Once you register a Lim Sire on a CH dam it comes up LM .. Same boys happy to buy a hairy yellow from a lim dam that has CH on card

The cow is 50% CH, 25% lim and 25% HE. The calf is 62% lim, 25% CH and 12% HE.
I'm still pi$$ed off he's not a heifer:)

limo_100

sonnybill wrote: »

See that calf there now .. He presents a dilemma to me as he is 50% CH X yet as he is off a lim sire he is LM X on card .., I know boys that ask me about the card on a yellow and will not buy a yellow bull if he LM on card! Once you register a Lim Sire on a CH dam it comes up LM .. Same boys happy to buy a hairy yellow from a lim dam that has CH on card

I wouldn't be telling anyone whats on the card if there buying the calf they can check his bread on the board, I tell no one anything they go into the ring and that's it and if there not going enough there lots of more marts. U'd be surprised the difference in prices of some animals in different marts, I was once selling a cow a red whitehead was 650kg was getting 700 the auctioneer was saying its the best i'd get anywhere brought her to balladuff a week later 660kg 1010 and was the same auctioneer, i said to him after its alot more than 700 being the best i could get, he reared on me the f**ker I told him he had to many friends round the and he was on the take him face dropped

bogman_bass

sonnybill wrote: »

See that calf there now .. He presents a dilemma to me as he is 50% CH X yet as he is off a lim sire he is LM X on card .., I know boys that ask me about the card on a yellow and will not buy a yellow bull if he LM on card! Once you register a Lim Sire on a CH dam it comes up LM .. Same boys happy to buy a hairy yellow from a lim dam that has CH on card

Some people are just daft

sonnybill

bogman_bass wrote: »

Some people are just daft

I understand people asking me are they HR or AA on card but what is the fascination with CH on card if they 50/50 ch x Lm ?

Kovu

sonnybill wrote: »

I understand people asking me are they HR or AA on card but what is the fascination with CH on card if they 50/50 ch x Lm ?

It magically makes the calf perceptively more Charolais-ish looking.

limo_100

lads iv a blackwhite had one calf on for ai in the morning going to give her a char bull was thinking either lzf, fsz, the new bull either ch2066 or hhj??

have any of used lzf what are the results like on the ground i no easy calving.

Mad4simmental

Everyone is saying fiston is doing the job. I'm going to try him on a big horse of a black sim in spring.

tanko

limo_100 wrote: »

lads iv a blackwhite had one calf on for ai in the morning going to give her a char bull was thinking either lzf, fsz, the new bull either ch2066 or hhj??

have any of used lzf what are the results like on the ground i no easy calving.

I've never used LZF, I've heard he's easy calved and breeding decent calves but not that muscley. FSZ would give you a better muscled calf off a black whitehead cow.
A pedigree CH breeder told me that CH2066 could turn out to be a lot harder calved than people think, he said the bull looks to have serious width across his shoulders. I suppose it all depends what degree of calving difficulty you're comfortable with.
I'd go with Fiston.

limo_100

Mad4simmental wrote: »

Everyone is saying fiston is doing the job. I'm going to try him on a big horse of a black sim in spring.

yeah hes all the rage in fairness I suppose theres no need to ask to much bout him I read lots bout him on here all pisitive in fairness, I have a cow up to LZF in december was just wondering what the feed back from him is like

limo_100

tanko wrote: »

I've never used LZF, I've heard he's easy calved and breeding decent calves but not that muscley. FSZ would give you a better muscled calf off a black whitehead cow.
A pedigree CH breeder told me that CH2066 could turn out to be a lot harder calved than people think, he said the bull looks to have serious width across his shoulders. I suppose it all depends what degree of calving difficulty you're comfortable with.
I'd go with Fiston.

This heifer doesnt seem to have a huge pill of milk I'm thinking of selling her next year with a calf at foot thats why i'm going charolais on her. I suppose FSZ would have a better impact and shes tall as I'd say FSZ works best on taller plain types, Is LZF breeding better store cattle is it??
I think i'll pass on ch2066 for the minute wait for a mature cow so be safe

tanko

Fiston has better muscle and conformation, LZF has better size and frame.

Miname

Has anyone ever used doveas bull Hugo? It's just saying he's a red and white but I'm presuming he's Maine Anjou. He looks a serious bull, and I was thinking of maybe trying him for a few replacements.

limo_100

tanko wrote: »

Fiston has better muscle and conformation, LZF has better size and frame.

I'll go with fiston so funny enough i'v never used him I must be one of the few pg customers that haven't used him. I was at one of them Bdgp rose goulding said LZF is the only charolais bull they have that does not carry the double muscle gene for better or worse I don't know

limo_100

Miname wrote: »

Has anyone ever used doveas bull Hugo? It's just saying he's a red and white but I'm presuming he's Maine Anjou. He looks a serious bull, and I was thinking of maybe trying him for a few replacements.

I think I remember someone on here had that breed and I think they said they were short of milk I'm open to correction as I know noting bout them

Kovu

limo_100 wrote: »

I think I remember someone on here had that breed and I think they said they were short of milk I'm open to correction as I know noting bout them

RobinBanks if I remember correctly. Often meant to use Hugo but always got caught with another bull.
Knew a few men who'd always bid on the heifers if they seen the MAx breed on the board.

limo_100

Kovu wrote: »

RobinBanks if I remember correctly. Often meant to use Hugo but always got caught with another bull.
Knew a few men who'd always bid on the heifers if they seen the MAx breed on the board.

correct and write, Were they milky do you remember?? I think they had double muscle that worked well on blues, I would check but the football is too tense

Kovu

Can't remember to be honest! I think he had two or three, crossed them with blondes. KOY perhaps as it was off him I got the idea for a few of his straws.

RobinBanks

limo_100 wrote: »

correct and write, Were they milky do you remember?? I think they had double muscle that worked well on blues, I would check but the football is too tense

I have a couple alright. Both are reasonably milky now but as 1st calvers they were poor. They have improved allot since though. Below is picture from last spring. This was her 3rd calf. She has a decent udder.

They are huge cows so you need to put a low bull on them. I use blues on mine for that reason. They have produced U and E grade calves this past 2 years.

RobinBanks

Kovu wrote: »

Can't remember to be honest! I think he had two or three, crossed them with blondes. KOY perhaps as it was off him I got the idea for a few of his straws.

Kovi, The 1st calves from the Maine Anjou cows were Malibu heifers. Both of these heifers had KOY calves this spring.

Kovu

RobinBanks wrote: »

Kovi, The 1st calves from the Maine Anjou cows were Malibu heifers. Both of these heifers had KOY calves this spring.

Ah! I knew it was something involving KOY How are those shaping up? BA heifer here is within 24 hours of calving I'd say, 18 days over to a LM.

limo_100

RobinBanks wrote: »

I have a couple alright. Both are reasonably milky now but as 1st calvers they were poor. They have improved allot since though. Below is picture from last spring. This was her 3rd calf. She has a decent udder.

They are huge cows so you need to put a low bull on them. I use blues on mine for that reason. They have produced U and E grade calves this past 2 years.

Where did you get them you just dont see them everywhere or anywhere?? would they be your best cows or just run or the mill??

RobinBanks

limo_100 wrote: »

Where did you get them you just dont see them everywhere or anywhere?? would they be your best cows or just run or the mill??

I bought them as weanlings years ago at mart. I haven't seen any sense. They are both 5 star cows but I have cows that produce better calves. For example, I have a 2 star blue cow that's much better and I have 2 lim cows that consistently breed better calves but none are as good as these 2 to calf. They will fire a calf out in seconds no matter how big the calf is. Both are also very fertile and have never repeated. From this point of view I would say they are my best cows.

I know a lad that got rid of all his. He said they had no milk and were very narrow. Very much like dairy shorthorns. I guess I've been a little luckier.

RobinBanks

Kovu wrote: »

BA heifer here is within 24 hours of calving I'd say, 18 days over to a LM.

Is that the one incalf to KJB?

Kovu

RobinBanks wrote: »

Is that the one incalf to KJB?

Yup! Only have that one at the minute but have a PB Tarot cow incalf to KOY so here's hoping for a heifer

Did you buy the Maine's in a Mayo mart? I always seen both those and Galloways in strange abundance there.

RobinBanks

Kovu wrote: »

Did you buy the Maine's in a Mayo mart? I always seen both those and Galloways in strange abundance there.

I did. I went to see them prior to sale. They were advertised on done deal. Couldn't agree deal on farm but got them at the mart later.

RobinBanks

Kovu wrote: »

PB Tarot cow incalf to KOY so here's hoping for a heifer

I'm sorry I didn't use KOY on the heifers I bulled this year. I doubt I will get anymore straws off him and he is a great bull. I used queenshead altea and broomfield regentcey instead

Kovu

RobinBanks wrote: »

I'm sorry I didn't use KOY on the heifers I bulled this year. I doubt I will get anymore straws off him and he is a great bull. I used queenshead altea and broomfield regentcey instead

Q-head Altea is a nice bull, lovely colour too. Am a fan of that dark ruby red on lims. Be interesting to see how the blonde crosses with her as the cow brings a heap of muscle herself. Have some straws of him with my AI man if you ever want one. I've no flask of my own so AI man stores what I ask for as I'm so nice

bogman_bass

Miname wrote: »

Has anyone ever used doveas bull Hugo? It's just saying he's a red and white but I'm presuming he's Maine Anjou. He looks a serious bull, and I was thinking of maybe trying him for a few replacements.

Hugo was a Dutch red and white, Different breed to Maine Anjou

Anybody remenber the Maine Anjou they had? Arbrite or something like that?

Kovu

bogman_bass wrote: »

Hugo was a Dutch red and white, Different breed to Maine Anjou

Anybody remenber the Maine Anjou they had? Arbrite or something like that?

http://issuu.com/jennalyn11/docs/dovea_beef_catalogue_2013/3

Feckthis

Have a Saler cow that has scanned with twins to FTY bull from PG. anyone use him before?

Charliebull

Feckthis wrote: »

Have a Saler cow that has scanned with twins to FTY bull from PG. anyone use him before?

is that frosty, used him once on a heifer and ended badly, ended up a monster calf that went the full length of the jack

RD10

Had a heifer calf to fty this year. Calved on her own. Calf Has grown into a nice heifer too. Great temperament, v.docile @7mnths now. her mother is also v.quiet so thats probably where she gets it from.

Salerchamp

Charliebull wrote: »

is that frosty, used him once on a heifer and ended badly, ended up a monster calf that went the full length of the jack

He's down as being 5.3% for calving @ 97% reliability so you would think he'd be easy calving anyway. Seeing as it's a Saler cow you would hope that calving twins shouldn't be an issue!

What breed/age was the heifer when she calved?