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Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

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    #1412
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,253 ✭✭✭tanko


    limo_100 wrote: »
    hes a fair lump of a calf is he still your best calf? was hehard calved?? thats a fair lump of a cow anyway she make a good job with any bull id say. What bulls you being using this year

    Yeah, I'd say he's the best one, she's off highlander, and is one of my best cows. She was too fat and had to give her a bit of help with ropes at calving.
    I used Lisnacrann Sunnyboy, On-Dit, Fiston, Gamin, Curaheen Earp on cows and Highfield Odhran on the heifers.


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    #1413
    milligan2
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭milligan2


    Anybody use Derryolam Impeccible (ch) on their cows yet?im thinking of using him on a few big Charolais cows as he looks a super animal,good figures too


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    #1414
    Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    milligan2 wrote: »
    Anybody use Derryolam Impeccible (ch) on their cows yet?im thinking of using him on a few big Charolais cows as he looks a super animal,good figures too

    Is his semen back in supply, wasn't there a shortage in the spring


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    #1415
    milligan2
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭milligan2


    Farrell wrote: »
    Is his semen back in supply, wasn't there a shortage in the spring

    Didn't hear that,he is on Munster AIs catalogue but I haven't spoke to the technician about him


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    #1416
    Future Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Future Farmer


    milligan2 wrote: »
    Anybody use Derryolam Impeccible (ch) on their cows yet?im thinking of using him on a few big Charolais cows as he looks a super animal,good figures too

    Neighbour has a few CH2066ed calves definitely would not use him, I know it's only based on one place but they are that bad. Only positive thing you could say is easy calved.

    LGL, FSZ, LZF & GRF way better Bulls.


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    #1417
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,768 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Future Farmer wrote: »
    Neighbour has a few CH2066ed calves definitely would not use him,
    How old are those calves?

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #1418
    Future Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Future Farmer


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    How old are those calves?

    6 months.

    Bad may be harsh fair is probably fairer.


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    #1419
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    Future Farmer wrote: »
    6 months.

    Bad may be harsh fair is probably fairer.

    Any pics of lzf calves,?


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    #1420
    jfh
    Registered Users Posts: 2,275 ✭✭✭jfh


    anyone recommend a decent beefy angus bull to cross with Blue heifers.
    heifers will be calving at 28- 30 months, so mature.


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    #1421
    welton john
    Registered Users Posts: 300 ✭✭welton john


    jfh wrote: »
    anyone recommend a decent beefy angus bull to cross with Blue heifers.
    heifers will be calving at 28- 30 months, so mature.

    zll from bova should tick all boxes.easy calving, growthy, milk and colour.dont have anything off him but have him used for next year on the back of pics and what lads here say about him.


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    #1422
    milligan2
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭milligan2


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    Any pics of lzf calves,?

    Have a lovely heifer weanling off him,very square and powerful.Was thinking of keeping her as a replacement as there is a drop of milk LZFs line.(will post a pic when I can)


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    #1423
    bogman_bass
    Registered Users Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    jfh wrote: »
    anyone recommend a decent beefy angus bull to cross with Blue heifers.
    heifers will be calving at 28- 30 months, so mature.

    GJB. Can't say enough good things about that bull. If they are a bit narrow RGZ


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    #1424
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    jfh wrote: »
    anyone recommend a decent beefy angus bull to cross with Blue heifers.
    heifers will be calving at 28- 30 months, so mature.

    Seen a few young WZG calves out of BB heifers today, quite framey and raw but great shape to them, look like they'll muscle up well with a bit of feeding.


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    #1425
    mikeoh
    Registered Users Posts: 451 ✭✭mikeoh


    welton john wrote:
    zll from bova should tick all boxes.easy calving, growthy, milk and colour.dont have anything off him but have him used for next year on the back of pics and what lads here say about him.


    Rumors have it he had to be put down...was running with a herd of cows and got injured on bad land.......careless!!!…......with his stars he was well worth minding


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    #1426
    croot
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    welton john wrote: »
    zll from bova should tick all boxes.easy calving, growthy, milk and colour.dont have anything off him but have him used for next year on the back of pics and what lads here say about him.
    +1 on zll. I have posted before about him. I'm a fan of his and off BB heifers you will get shapey calves.


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    #1427
    GiantPencil
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭GiantPencil


    Some bedside reading....the latest Eurogene AI update. A lot of old Limo bulls that I haven't seen before in it....

    http://issuu.com/eurogeneais/docs/beef_2016_low_res


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    #1428
    GiantPencil
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭GiantPencil


    Some bedside reading....the latest Eurogene AI update. A lot of old Limo bulls that I haven't seen before in it....

    http://issuu.com/eurogeneais/docs/beef_2016_low_res

    https://issuu.com/eurogeneais/docs/beef_2016_low_res


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    #1429
    The man in red and black
    Registered Users Posts: 666 ✭✭✭The man in red and black


    At home on the fathers farm we have a commercial suckler herd. Been using CH bulls for >10 years having started with a mix of HE/SI/FR cows. Current heifers coming through 80-90% CH and very white. The father would like to stick to CH even though we know he may be better with the hybrid vigour of crossbreeding to LM/BB etc.

    The current idea is to buy terminal bulls to use on farm but AI to replacement at the start of the breeding season. Split calving, Spring 35-40 cows, Autumn 15-20 cows. Have 13 to calve next Spring to Tombapik. Anyone recommend a good replacement CH bull? Bivouac? Like they say the differences within a breed are more than the differences across the breeds...or something to that effect. Need to inject a boost of milk in the newer generation heifers which is why I was thinking Tombapik or Bivouac.


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    #1430
    Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    The man in red and black wrote: »
    At home on the fathers farm we have a commercial suckler herd. Been using CH bulls for >10 years having started with a mix of HE/SI/FR cows. Current heifers coming through 80-90% CH and very white. The father would like to stick to CH even though we know he may be better with the hybrid vigour of crossbreeding to LM/BB etc.

    The current idea is to buy terminal bulls to use on farm but AI to replacement at the start of the breeding season. Split calving, Spring 35-40 cows, Autumn 15-20 cows. Have 13 to calve next Spring to Tombapik. Anyone recommend a good replacement CH bull? Bivouac? Like they say the differences within a breed are more than the differences across the breeds...or something to that effect. Need to inject a boost of milk in the newer generation heifers which is why I was thinking Tombapik or Bivouac.
    Would you not use Another breed for maternal traits, & add a bit more vigour.
    Personally a bull to add milk, short gestation, & softness, eg LM/SI/SH.


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    #1431
    Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    GiantPencil wrote: »
    Some bedside reading....the latest Eurogene AI update. A lot of old Limo bulls that I haven't seen before in it....

    http://issuu.com/eurogeneais/docs/beef_2016_low_res
    Can't get into the link, but jet/fastracwould be ideal for replacements.
    They've the cogent Bulls there, but their own oldies FZM/ABI will deliver.
    Thought Vic & Uboy were gone (see on site).
    Anyone got any Goldbar calves? or got any info on whitecliffe James


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    The man in red and black
    Registered Users Posts: 666 ✭✭✭The man in red and black


    Farrell wrote: »
    Would you not use Another breed for maternal traits, & add a bit more vigour.
    Personally a bull to add milk, short gestation, & softness, eg LM/SI/SH.

    I know, you are 100% right as I said in my own post hybrid vigour is the way to go. My father is set on sticking with CH though so was going to try pick the CH AI bulls with the strongest maternal traits. At the end of the day the older cows in the herd still have good chunks of HE/SI etc so it is only the younger generations that would be 80-90% CH.


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    #1433
    Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    The man in red and black wrote: »
    I know, you are 100% right as I said in my own post hybrid vigour is the way to go. My father is set on sticking with CH though so was going to try pick the CH AI bulls with the strongest maternal traits. At the end of the day the older cows in the herd still have good chunks of HE/SI etc so it is only the younger generations that would be 80-90% CH.
    There is a big push on digger Bulls for Maternal at present.
    Lots of CH Bulls with high milk figures, don't know much on them


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    #1434
    croot
    Registered Users Posts: 571 ✭✭✭croot


    Farrell wrote: »
    There is a big push on digger Bulls for Maternal at present.
    Lots of CH Bulls with high milk figures, don't know much on them

    I asked my Ai man about blelack digger recently and he said the straws are expensive. I think he said €50 plus service charge.


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    #1435
    Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    croot wrote: »
    I asked my Ai man about blelack digger recently and he said the straws are expensive. I think he said €50 plus service charge.
    That's not too bad, Goldbar is similar, SEG was €125 a pop with Sligo, think Bugatti is €75 a pop.
    I don't mind paying the bit extra if guaranteed better goods, there's allot out there against digger


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    The man in red and black
    Registered Users Posts: 666 ✭✭✭The man in red and black


    croot wrote: »
    I asked my Ai man about blelack digger recently and he said the straws are expensive. I think he said €50 plus service charge.


    Yeah he's 50e. As is Tombapik who we used in a synch program this Spring to get a boost of milk. He's +12 or 13kg for milk so should be a big plus. You'd hear very variable things about Digger, from the best ever to complete hype job. Hard to argue with his figures!


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    #1437
    croot
    Registered Users Posts: 571 ✭✭✭croot


    Farrell wrote: »
    That's not too bad, Goldbar is similar, SEG was €125 a pop with Sligo, think Bugatti is €75 a pop.
    I don't mind paying the bit extra if guaranteed better goods, there's allot out there against digger
    That wouldn't be for me because if a cow repeated I'm €100 down before calf arrives at all and the guaranteed better goods is a funny one. I used FSZ this year for the first time because I heard good things about him but the calves I have aren't great. The same cows had great calves off LGL the year before.


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    #1438
    croot
    Registered Users Posts: 571 ✭✭✭croot


    The man in red and black wrote: »
    Yeah he's 50e. As is Tombapik who we used in a synch program this Spring to get a boost of milk. He's +12 or 13kg for milk so should be a big plus. You'd hear very variable things about Digger, from the best ever to complete hype job. Hard to argue with his figures!

    I'd chance him if he was cheaper or if I could AI myself but at €50 a pop and service charge its to dear for me.

    I normally wouldn't be looking for maternal traits from a charloais but would be happy enough if I got a heifer from him.


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    #1439
    Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    croot wrote: »
    That wouldn't be for me because if a cow repeated I'm €100 down before calf arrives at all and the guaranteed better goods is a funny one. I used FSZ this year for the first time because I heard good things about him but the calves I have aren't great. The same cows had great calves off LGL the year before.
    He looks good (but small) stars are too good, just think it's too good to be true.
    We're the calves small at birth? Can you keep us updated on how the do


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    #1440
    croot
    Registered Users Posts: 571 ✭✭✭croot


    Farrell wrote: »
    He looks good (but small) stars are too good, just think it's too good to be true.
    We're the calves small at birth? Can you keep us updated on how the do
    Yes the calves were born small but haven't grown like I thought they should. I must take a pic with a GPD calf and a FSZ calf born a week apart. Serious difference.


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    #1441
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,253 ✭✭✭tanko


    I'd agree that Fiston calves are inclined to stay small but they have good thickness to them. I'll say one thing for him, he's extremely easy calved for a charolais, his calves fall out of cows, they hardly know they've calved.

    The likes of LGL and GPD would be on a different level again but a lot harder calved from what I've heard.


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