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Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

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    #1652
    Sheep breeder
    Registered Users Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    We attend shows and sales to see pure off spring and how bulls are breeding on certain lines, the AI bull it's all about the back pedigree and reliability figure of a bull.


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    #1653
    Sheep breeder
    Registered Users Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    furandfeather wrote: »
    Thanks for the replies. I appreciate fixing faults and all but I'm looking for easy calving above all for the first time. She ll be calving hopefully at or around 26 months. She's by major, she has plenty of muscle for a heifer, don't think she's going to be seriously big.
    If it was up to me she wouldn't be getting a charolais the first time, but I have her in co with the oul lad and I have to let him win the odd battle!

    If she is by major she has to have power and size, easy calving first but you can also correct faults with such a wide selection of bulls available.


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    #1654
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    What proven simmental bulls do lads use with good milk and low calving difficulty and good daughter calving difficulty. Or is there any:D


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    #1655
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,259 ✭✭✭tanko


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    What proven simmental bulls do lads use with good milk and low calving difficulty and good daughter calving difficulty. Or is there any:D

    Curaheen Vio????
    Haven't used him and he's €22 a straw i think.
    I've used QCD on a few cows and think he's a fine bull, (not exactly easy calving I'd say tho), have a nice heifer off my OEI cow here ill probably keep.


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    #1656
    GiantPencil
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭GiantPencil


    Lisnacrann Sunnyboy maybe? or can straws be got from him anymore?


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    #1657
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,259 ✭✭✭tanko


    GiantPencil wrote: »
    Lisnacrann Sunnyboy maybe? or can straws be got from him anymore?

    I've a few in calf to him. I think he's still available but €30/straw now AFAIK.


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    #1658
    furandfeather
    Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭furandfeather


    Ya sonny boy is €30 now. Progressive have a full brother of him now though. He d have to have loads of milk being out of hurtig.
    Escalop from bova is breeding mighty, no daughters calved out of him but looking at his pedigree with newry and king I'd be confident of milk.
    If your willing to pay €30 for a straw I'd be going for hillcrest jerome. I love his daughters, they make fantastic cows


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    #1659
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    furandfeather wrote: »
    Ya sonny boy is €30 now. Progressive have a full brother of him now though. He d have to have loads of milk being out of hurtig.
    Escalop from bova is breeding mighty, no daughters calved out of him but looking at his pedigree with newry and kingI'd be confident of milk.
    If your willing to pay €30 for a straw I'd be going for hillcrest jerome. I love his daughters, they make fantastic cows
    Is that Hillcrest king?
    I'd try to avoid him if I could . had a cow off him with very bad calving ability


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    #1660
    Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    tanko wrote: »
    Curaheen Vio????
    Haven't used him and he's €22 a straw i think.
    I've used QCD on a few cows and think he's a fine bull, (not exactly easy calving I'd say tho), have a nice heifer off my OEI cow here ill probably keep.
    Easy calved even, vigorous, doctile, growth & size.
    Don't think he can be got now as was purchased for PB breeding


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    #1661
    furandfeather
    Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭furandfeather


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    Is that Hillcrest king?
    I'd try to avoid him if I could . had a cow off him with very bad calving ability

    No, raceview king


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    #1662
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,774 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    Is that Hillcrest king?
    I'd try to avoid him if I could . had a cow off him with very bad calving ability
    Same here. Never rated that bull, Hillcrest King, at all. Its showing up now in his poor figures. All the rage at the time.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #1663
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Same here. Never rated that bull, Hillcrest King, at all. Its showing up now in his poor figures. All the rage at the time.

    If she had better calving ability she would have been fine. Its just when you pulled all her calves and sectioned the last one...you've got a problem


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    #1664
    Who2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭Who2


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    If she had better calving ability she would have been fine. Its just when you pulled all her calves and sectioned the last one...you've got a problem

    I've a hillcrest king cow here that I've had no major issue with bar she's a thick b1tch. But I've had two pb apostle heifers off her that wouldn't calve a goat. Both had 1 calf and was hung up.


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    #1665
    limo_100
    Registered Users Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭limo_100


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    If she had better calving ability she would have been fine. Its just when you pulled all her calves and sectioned the last one...you've got a problem

    Have two kings here never had a problem always have big calves and always calf unassisted. I have have kept some daughters and grand daughters and great grand daughters and they are my best cows. On other news I had a heifer calve and had a really well marked IS4 heifer calf. Calved unassisted


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    #1666
    pure breed
    Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭pure breed


    Hi lads, any suggestions for LM Bull for heifers, easycalving a must.
    Thinking about OKH or LM2117. Thks


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    #1667
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,259 ✭✭✭tanko


    pure breed wrote: »
    Hi lads, any suggestions for LM Bull for heifers, easycalving a must.
    Thinking about OKH or LM2117. Thks

    OKH would be risky on them imo, LM2117 looks the best option NCBC have for heifers. Plenty of lads seem to be using ZAG but i think he's a bit too much for them.


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    #1668
    croot
    Registered Users Posts: 571 ✭✭✭croot


    tanko wrote: »
    OKH would be risky on them imo, LM2117 looks the best option NCBC have for heifers. Plenty of lads seem to be using ZAG but i think he's a bit too much for them.

    I use ZAG on heifers. No issue yet touch wood. If the heifer is very muscly I wouldn't use him but otherwise he's fine. His CD is 4.7 and everyone was using HCA on heifers and his CD is 4.1 so not that much different.


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    #1669
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,774 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Had a heifer calf recently to ZAG, no problem. He's well proven now at 99% Reliability and 4.7%, so unless the heifer is a bit on the small side, fire away.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #1670
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    pure breed wrote: »
    Hi lads, any suggestions for LM Bull for heifers, easycalving a must.
    Thinking about OKH or LM2117. Thks

    CWI or eby or kjb


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    #1671
    valtra2
    Registered Users Posts: 732 ✭✭✭valtra2


    Hi what do you think of lm4007 from eurogene for heifers


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    #1672
    ZETOR_IS_BETTER
    Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭ZETOR_IS_BETTER


    pure breed wrote: »
    Hi lads, any suggestions for LM Bull for heifers, easycalving a must.
    Thinking about OKH or LM2117. Thks

    I would not use ZAG, imo HCA was a far better bull on heifers. Had to pull monsters from heifers this year from ZAG. Cows calved him no problem.


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    #1673
    Sheep breeder
    Registered Users Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    We use gamin from bova, very handy calf and grow into super muscle and style animal on any breed, seriously consistent bull.


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    #1674
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,259 ✭✭✭tanko


    Sheep breeder wrote: »
    We use gamin from bova, very handy calf and grow into super muscle and style animal on any breed, seriously consistent bull.

    I plan to use more terminal type bulls next year and have Gamin and Fiston in the tank for that.
    Have you used Gamin on heifers?


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    #1675
    Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    valtra2 wrote: »
    Hi what do you think of lm4007 from eurogene for heifers
    Have put him on a heifer, short gestation was a massive bonus, but great figures
    LM2265 looks impressive & so does LM2299


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    #1676
    Sheep breeder
    Registered Users Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    tanko wrote: »
    I plan to use more terminal type bulls next year and have Gamin and Fiston in the tank for that.
    Have you used Gamin on heifers?

    Yes using him for the last 3 seasons on heifers and easiest Calver on any type and then super shape,
    See bova have bought two new bulls at one of the recent limousin elite sales in France and seem to be very well bred and top quality for the future.
    Rumour has it that progressive went as far as Laois to look at a new limousin for the stud and possibly have his half brother already,


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    #1677
    Sheep breeder
    Registered Users Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    Lm2265 and Lm 2295 look to have great stars for terminal and a very high reliability figure behind them !!!!!


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    #1678
    blackdog1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    I see alot of people talking about monster calves... What do you feed your dry cows just out of interest? I give mine a kg of a barley oats mix a day and find it great.


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    #1679
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,774 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Guys, just a general question for those doing AI on PB Lim cows. How do you source your straws? I was hoping to try On Dit and Tonka this year. Would the lim society be the best place and who took over powerful genetics bulls? Was it Eurogene?

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #1680
    farming93
    Registered Users Posts: 367 ✭✭farming93


    This may sound like an extremely stupid question.. but say you have a five star aaxfr and continuously bred her daughters to the best Angus bulls ai could get for let's say 10 generations down the line from the original cow herself would an ai company ever approach you if you had a genotyped Angus bull calf about possibly using him as an ai bull? Or would the bull calf have to be purebred all through his generation ? Just a matter of interest as I said it might sound stupid


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    #1681
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,259 ✭✭✭tanko


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Guys, just a general question for those doing AI on PB Lim cows. How do you source your straws? I was hoping to try On Dit and Tonka this year. Would the lim society be the best place and who took over powerful genetics bulls? Was it Eurogene?

    I got On-Dit straws of NCBC last spring bit they were getting scarce then i think. Eurogene are selling the Cogent Bulls that Powerful Genetics had but i see some of them for sale on Donedeal lately.


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