Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

GiantPencil · 20-01-2017 7:49pm

New Dovea journal is out, this will be read inside out by the end of the weekend!
https://issuu.com/doveagenetics/docs/dovea_genetics_beef_catalogue_2017

50HX · 22-01-2017 3:42pm

adne wrote: »

Anyone got calves out of zch carrowreagh hondorus. Calving diff looks high for a lim but breeding looks good

nice shapely calves - had them over the past few years

no bother with calving on 3rd/4thcalving sucklers - wouldn't be the biggest cows

his calving diff has more than double in the past 18mnths so i don't know what's going on there (maybe tried on heifers)

sold a bull calf out of him last year at 6mnths and got 2.60kg for him

SuperTeeJay · 22-01-2017 7:09pm

Has anyone got any replacements from Vermeill,S666?I know he's only 3star but have 2 replacements from him which are off very good cows and would be interested in hearing how his progency have performed.Have had some excellent weanling bulls off him.

bogman_bass · 22-01-2017 7:12pm

SuperTeeJay wrote: »

Has anyone got any replacements from Vermeill,S666?I know he's only 3star but have 2 replacements from him which are off very good cows and would be interested in hearing how his progency have performed.Have had some excellent weanling bulls off him.

I haven't but a guy I used to work with loves him

SuperTeeJay · 22-01-2017 7:26pm

Thanks,one is off a hkg cow and the other is off a bhh cow so should make nice breeders hopefully.

patsy_mccabe · 22-01-2017 7:58pm

adne wrote: »

Have him on a real good dancer heifer due in feb. Howd u find him size wise at calving

Came nice and small, but the same cow always has small calves at birth.

50HX · 22-01-2017 9:16pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Came nice and small, but the same cow always has small calves at birth.

was he a tiny dancer??:D

charolais0153 · 22-01-2017 10:38pm

What do the big companies like dovea and progressive pay for bulls like ardlea Dan,Mbp,LSP,lgl and such

tanko · 22-01-2017 10:50pm

charolais0153 wrote: »

What do the big companies like dovea and progressive pay for bulls like ardlea Dan,Mbp,LSP,lgl and such

I think ADX only cost €4500. The likes of MBP and LGL could cost about €15K.

Bigbird1 · 23-01-2017 12:12am

charolais0153 wrote: »

What do the big companies like dovea and progressive pay for bulls like ardlea Dan,Mbp,LSP,lgl and such

I heard at the time that lsp cost over 20 grand. Hes breeding well but nothing unreal i think. How are people finding him ?

charolais0153 · 23-01-2017 12:32am

Bigbird1 wrote: »

I heard at the time that lsp cost over 20 grand. Hes breeding well but nothing unreal i think. How are people finding him ?

I'd say average.... Was just wondering in general what these bulls cost

patsy_mccabe · 23-01-2017 10:41am

50HX wrote: »

was he a tiny dancer??:D

???? The bull OKH.

Seaba · 23-01-2017 11:47am

SuperTeeJay wrote: »

Has anyone got any replacements from Vermeill,S666?I know he's only 3star but have 2 replacements from him which are off very good cows and would be interested in hearing how his progency have performed.Have had some excellent weanling bulls off him.

I got 2 straws of him a couple of years back and got 2 heifers - delighted as he was recommended by Rose Goulding of NCBC. 1st heifer was a lunatic - mightn't be the bulls fault as her mother was unbelievably stubborn. The 2nd heifer was "very narrow" when the AI man went to bull her. Could barely get his hand in. She broke the first time and was equally narrow the 2nd time (her mother was not narrow). He said even if she keeps have the jack handy at calving (we gave her an AA) - she never kept so went ended up sending her to the factory.
So that was our experience and to answer your question:
we have no replacements from him!

50HX · 23-01-2017 8:49pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

???? The bull OKH.

the dancer heifer adne was on about

Originally Posted by adne View Post
Have him on a real good dancer heifer due in feb. Howd u find him size wise at calving

musta been the few cans when i was typing last nite:P

Bellview · 23-01-2017 9:07pm

GiantPencil wrote:

New Dovea journal is out, this will be read inside out by the end of the weekend!

I often find dovea offer better quality than munster. Anyone looking at angus the dubhguilla luigi is throwing nice calves and he is a long bull as well. Bally arden Billy is back ground helps on fleshing..

charolais0153 · 23-01-2017 9:16pm

Bellview wrote: »

I often find dovea offer better quality than munster. Anyone looking at angus the dubhguilla luigi is throwing nice calves and he is a long bull as well. Bally arden Billy is back ground helps on fleshing..

Decisive...I've found CWI brilliant for consistently producing ,the same could be said of sultan in Munster as well. Simmentals are better in dovea as well I find. Can't really comment on any bull that we've used continuously bar cwi

Bigbird1 · 23-01-2017 10:41pm

charolais0153 wrote: »

Decisive...I've found CWI brilliant for consistently producing ,the same could be said of sultan in Munster as well. Simmentals are better in dovea as well I find. Can't really comment on any bull that we've used continuously bar cwi

Do u not find that CWI breeds tall, leggy plain cattle. Have seen a lot of bad stock off him ?

charolais0153 · 24-01-2017 12:06am

Bigbird1 wrote: »

Do u not find that CWI breeds tall, leggy plain cattle. Have seen a lot of bad stock off him ?

First pic: the lad on left sold for 1090 at 380kgs,middle 920 at 380kg,right 1200 at 450 kg.
Second pic:yellow bull at back 350kg 990e.red heifer 395kgs 900(bad price)
Third pic:420kgs 1020
4th pic.can't remember....
5th pic:420 950e(bad price)
Have 3 heifers in shed I'll take pictures of tomorrow;)

TITANIUM. · 24-01-2017 12:24am

charolais0153 wrote: »

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Somebodys just been served!!!

patsy_mccabe · 24-01-2017 10:41am

charolais0153 wrote: »

......

What were the ages? Super cattle BTW.

Future Farmer · 24-01-2017 1:16pm

SuperTeeJay wrote: »

Has anyone got any replacements from Vermeill,S666?I know he's only 3star but have 2 replacements from him which are off very good cows and would be interested in hearing how his progency have performed.Have had some excellent weanling bulls off him.

I have seen a good few of them (a neighbour has about 10) - 1st & 2nd calvers, they are big, stylish and really milky, they do have calves with big birthweights so that is probably what is effecting the stars.... IMO...

Totally disagree with Bellview, Progressive/Munster, for us over the years have been head and shoulders above all the rest generally, in terms of bull quality & semen quality.

Is there not issues with CWI and docility? Just looking at his index. 10 yrs old tomorrow is he still alive?

bogman_bass · 24-01-2017 1:45pm

Bellview wrote: »

GiantPencil wrote:

New Dovea journal is out, this will be read inside out by the end of the weekend!

I often find dovea offer better quality than munster. Anyone looking at angus the dubhguilla luigi is throwing nice calves and he is a long bull as well. Bally arden Billy is back ground helps on fleshing..

IMO Simmental is the only breed that dovea consistently comes out on top
In saying that I see Dovea have a new Simmental that is something like 16% CD
How many straws are they realistically going to sell of him in a year? Probably less than a thousand?

patsy_mccabe · 24-01-2017 2:05pm

I have a PB CWI cow. Bought her in the mart. One of the quietest cows I've ever seen. She's more small and wide than tall and leggy.:D

charolais0153 · 24-01-2017 6:12pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

What were the ages? Super cattle BTW.

Around 9 or ten months when sold.

patsy_mccabe · 24-01-2017 6:24pm

charolais0153 wrote: »

Around 9 or ten months when sold.

Jeez, that's great money, considering the year that's in it, tradewise.

mikeoh · 24-01-2017 7:10pm

GiantPencil wrote:

New Dovea journal is out, this will be read inside out by the end of the weekend!

The 2 bulls I was going using this year are not listed in new journal..... I wonder can they still be got or is it a sign they weren't working out...... (Zep and ckh)

tanko · 24-01-2017 7:21pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

IMO Simmental is the only breed that dovea consistently comes out on top
In saying that I see Dovea have a new Simmental that is something like 16% CD
How many straws are they realistically going to sell of him in a year? Probably less than a thousand?

What bull is that?
They have a new Simmental bull called Curaheen Gunshot that has a CD of 5.8%, fine looking bull he is too.

charolais0153 · 24-01-2017 7:31pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Jeez, that's great money, considering the year that's in it, tradewise.

Eh not really .
Pic one: that was 2015
Pic 2:2014
Pic3:2015
Pic 4 :2014
Pic 5:this year

GiantPencil · 24-01-2017 8:16pm

tanko wrote: »

bogman_bass wrote: »

IMO Simmental is the only breed that dovea consistently comes out on top
In saying that I see Dovea have a new Simmental that is something like 16% CD
How many straws are they realistically going to sell of him in a year? Probably less than a thousand?

What bull is that?
They have a new Simmental bull called Curaheen Gunshot that has a CD of 5.8%, fine looking bull he is too.

Did anyone see this bull at the Curaheen dispersal? Wish Dovea would broaden their horizons a bit when it comes to bulls, they seem to go to the same few herds within breeds for sourcing.

tanko · 24-01-2017 8:27pm

GiantPencil wrote: »

Did anyone see this bull at the Curaheen dispersal? Wish Dovea would broaden their horizons a bit when it comes to bulls, they seem to go to the same few herds within breeds for sourcing.

Have they ever had a Curaheen bull before? They're nowhere near as bad as NCBC for going to the same herds for bulls.

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