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    #1832
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,259 ✭✭✭tanko


    essgee268 wrote: »
    a neighbour had 2 handy calves off charolais cows

    Fair enough, hopefully he'll work out ok for you but all of his calves won't be handy. Good luck with it.


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    #1833
    bogman_bass
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    Rushy Fields wrote: »
    Anyone here use CWI ??? I have put a few into big white Charolais mature cows..... whor are due any day now. Are they easy calve? Hoping to get a few replacements as my stars are low on my white charolais as i'm in the BDGS. Any Views... Comments?
    Word on the street is you want a good high crush if using him


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    #1834
    Limofarmer
    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭Limofarmer


    bogman_bass wrote: »
    Word on the street is you want a good high crush if using him

    Would have to disagree on that one . I have a bull here out of him and he is quiet as a lamb and easy Handled


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    #1835
    patsy_mccabe
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    Have a PBR CWI cow here. She has a big ugly head too.:D Lovely cow though. Milky and quiet as a mouse. She does lack muscle.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #1836
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Have a PBR CWI cow here. She has a big ugly head too.:D Lovely cow though. Milky and quiet as a mouse. She does lack muscle though.

    Big raw frame though I'd bet? Ours is quiet too though was a bit nutty as a weanling. I always try and take them into a pen on their own a few days before calving, seems to settle them a hell of a lot.


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    #1837
    FeelTheBern
    Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭FeelTheBern


    Looking for Dovea bull to put on limousin suckler bred heifers calving at 2yo with hope of getting some replacements to keep. Ended up using EBY last year to make sure calving difficulty low even though not really a maternal bull. Any thoughts for this year? Wouldn't be inclined to use AA but open to anything else.


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    #1838
    Who2
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    FeelTheBern wrote: »
    Looking for Dovea bull to put on limousin suckler bred heifers calving at 2yo with hope of getting some replacements to keep. Ended up using EBY last year to make sure calving difficulty low even though not really a maternal bull. Any thoughts for this year? Wouldn't be inclined to use AA but open to anything else.

    On the same or different heifers? What did you think of eby?


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    #1839
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    FeelTheBern wrote: »
    Looking for Dovea bull to put on limousin suckler bred heifers calving at 2yo with hope of getting some replacements to keep. Ended up using EBY last year to make sure calving difficulty low even though not really a maternal bull. Any thoughts for this year? Wouldn't be inclined to use AA but open to anything else.
    If anything is a bit narrow give them mlj or the like anything bigger should get eby imo


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    #1840
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,259 ✭✭✭tanko


    He wants some replacements, EBY would hardly be great for that job.
    Favars looks like a good option for heifers calving at 2yr old.
    Cavelands Jolly is an interesting looking new bull but hardly suitable for heifers at this stage.
    Would you consider Ulsan the Salers bull?


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    #1841
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    tanko wrote: »
    He wants some replacements, EBY would hardly be great for that job.
    Favars looks like a good option for heifers calving at 2yr old.
    Cavelands Jolly is an interesting looking new bull but hardly suitable for heifers at this stage.
    Would you consider Ulsan the Salers bull?
    Didn't see that


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    #1842
    Future Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Future Farmer


    FeelTheBern wrote: »
    Looking for Dovea bull to put on limousin suckler bred heifers calving at 2yo with hope of getting some replacements to keep. Ended up using EBY last year to make sure calving difficulty low even though not really a maternal bull. Any thoughts for this year? Wouldn't be inclined to use AA but open to anything else.

    Why only Dovea?

    A lot of heifers bulls out there seem to be more terminal at the moment...

    Nelson NLO or OZS Ozeus could be worth a punt depending on the heifers and what you are used too, proven maternal with milk and calving ability hard to resist.....


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    #1843
    FeelTheBern
    Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭FeelTheBern


    Who2 wrote: »
    FeelTheBern wrote: »
    Looking for Dovea bull to put on limousin suckler bred heifers calving at 2yo with hope of getting some replacements to keep. Ended up using EBY last year to make sure calving difficulty low even though not really a maternal bull. Any thoughts for this year? Wouldn't be inclined to use AA but open to anything else.

    On the same or different heifers? What did you think of eby?

    Looking for bull for this year's batch of heifers born in 2016. The heifers I put EBY on last year only calving in next few weeks. Just got Dovea catalogue in post last week so that's what got me thinking of what to use this year. From what I hear EBY supposed to be born small but develop well. Not very milky figures but might chance holding on to one or two heifers if off daughters of milky cows of my own.


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    #1844
    adne
    Registered Users Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭adne


    Thz (dubai) is easy calved in breds good shapey cattle.
    Not sure what offspring like for milk though and is low in replacement stars


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    #1845
    FeelTheBern
    Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭FeelTheBern


    tanko wrote: »
    He wants some replacements, EBY would hardly be great for that job.
    Favars looks like a good option for heifers calving at 2yr old.
    Cavelands Jolly is an interesting looking new bull but hardly suitable for heifers at this stage.
    Would you consider Ulsan the Salers bull?

    I see Favars in the book alright. Was he used in France before? Would like to be sure the calving difficulty actually as low as figures suggest now.

    Half thinking of going away from the Lm to bring a bit of hybrid vigour. All Lm bulls here for last few years. Think my own heifers slow to come bulling age wise last year even though weights good - putting it down to too much of one breed.

    Ulsan looks like very easy calving bull. Anyone use him here? Would the bull calves be very plain off saler? (Know can't have it every way though).

    Is there any such thing as an easy calved maternal Simmental bull anymore? Dovea don't seem to have one anyway.


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    #1846
    FeelTheBern
    Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭FeelTheBern


    Future Farmer wrote: »
    FeelTheBern wrote: »
    Looking for Dovea bull to put on limousin suckler bred heifers calving at 2yo with hope of getting some replacements to keep. Ended up using EBY last year to make sure calving difficulty low even though not really a maternal bull. Any thoughts for this year? Wouldn't be inclined to use AA but open to anything else.

    Why only Dovea?

    A lot of heifers bulls out there seem to be more terminal at the moment...

    Nelson NLO or OZS Ozeus could be worth a punt depending on the heifers and what you are used too, proven maternal with milk and calving ability hard to resist.....

    Was just thinking Dovea as that's who is local to us and who we've always used. Can you still order straws from one company to deliver and store with another?


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    #1847
    Future Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Future Farmer


    FeelTheBern wrote: »
    Was just thinking Dovea as that's who is local to us and who we've always used. Can you still order straws from one company to deliver and store with another?

    Ye you can. Use PG ourselves mainly.

    Think Curaheen Earp would do for heifers based on 214 calvings to date.... daughters should have milk!

    The continental breeds are slower to come cycling, would you use Hereford?


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    #1848
    RobinBanks
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    FeelTheBern wrote: »
    Looking for Dovea bull to put on limousin suckler bred heifers calving at 2yo with hope of getting some replacements to keep. Ended up using EBY last year to make sure calving difficulty low even though not really a maternal bull. Any thoughts for this year? Wouldn't be inclined to use AA but open to anything else.


    If you could justify spending €50 a straw then I would use queenshead altea. I used him over the years on heifers calving down at 2yrs. Mix of lim, blonde and blue heifers. He left some exceptional cattle here and I have one altea heifer here with time up now.

    Another easier calver would be Tom's choice iceberg. He's from kaprico eravelle who was a good maternal bull.

    Would you consider Aubrac?


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    #1849
    Rushy Fields
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭Rushy Fields


    Lady Haywire wrote: »
    Big raw frame though I'd bet? Ours is quiet too though was a bit nutty as a weanling. I always try and take them into a pen on their own a few days before calving, seems to settle them a hell of a lot.

    This was my first CWI Calf of 2017. Looks like a replacement...... She's quiet leggy but lively and sucked in minutes. Big Massive cow no trouble calving.


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    #1850
    GiantPencil
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭GiantPencil


    Rushy Fields wrote: »
    Lady Haywire wrote: »
    Big raw frame though I'd bet? Ours is quiet too though was a bit nutty as a weanling. I always try and take them into a pen on their own a few days before calving, seems to settle them a hell of a lot.

    This was my first CWI Calf of 2017. Looks like a replacement...... She's quiet leggy but lively and sucked in minutes. Big Massive cow no trouble calving.
    Fine size of a cow. Had the calf much trouble suckling? Have a cow here with huge 'milk bottles' and find the newborns have trouble latching on for the first few days.


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    #1851
    Rushy Fields
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭Rushy Fields


    Have two replacements in calf to EBY due to calve in mid March. They will be 33mths approx so hopefully no problems. Will not be keeping their calves for replacements as i'm in the BDGS. I just wanted easy calving for heifers....
    Might try AA this season and see what they bring...... Havn't had AA on the farm before. Mainly White Charolais....Terminal..... sell weanlings...


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    Rushy Fields
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭Rushy Fields


    GiantPencil wrote: »
    Fine size of a cow. Had the calf much trouble suckling? Have a cow here with huge 'milk bottles' and find the newborns have trouble latching on for the first few days.

    A bit of trouble but i spent an hour last night with her to go around on all four quarters. Two of cows teats were big but the calf managed.. belly full when i went home....


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    #1853
    FeelTheBern
    Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭FeelTheBern


    Future Farmer wrote: »
    FeelTheBern wrote: »
    Was just thinking Dovea as that's who is local to us and who we've always used. Can you still order straws from one company to deliver and store with another?

    Ye you can. Use PG ourselves mainly.

    Think Curaheen Earp would do for heifers based on 214 calvings to date.... daughters should have milk!

    The continental breeds are slower to come cycling, would you use Hereford?

    Figures for Curaheen Earp look very impressive - good balance for bulls or heifers. Might look into that. Had two handy sized Fr x Sm cows here for years and they were great little cows.

    Wouldn't be against looking at Hereford either - Dovea has a bull GGM that looked fine. Last year was first year I tried to bull heifers to calve as 2yo but disappointed with numbers that went in calf - really think some of them just weren't cycling yet.


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    #1854
    FeelTheBern
    Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭FeelTheBern


    RobinBanks wrote: »
    FeelTheBern wrote: »
    Looking for Dovea bull to put on limousin suckler bred heifers calving at 2yo with hope of getting some replacements to keep. Ended up using EBY last year to make sure calving difficulty low even though not really a maternal bull. Any thoughts for this year? Wouldn't be inclined to use AA but open to anything else.

    If you could justify spending €50 a straw then I would use queenshead altea. I used him over the years on heifers calving down at 2yrs. Mix of lim, blonde and blue heifers. He left some exceptional cattle here and I have one altea heifer here with time up now.

    Another easier calver would be Tom's choice iceberg. He's from kaprico eravelle who was a good maternal bull.

    Would you consider Aubrac?

    Don't think I'd go as far as €50 for a straw - just going to give them one chance with AI and then off with the stock bull.

    Looked at figures for new Aubrac bull Bison in Dovea book alright. Looked interesting but don't know anything at all about Aubracs other than mixed views i saw on older threads here.


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    #1855
    GiantPencil
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    Might be worth your while trying a Saler bull if you want something new. Best replacement figures out there as a breed and I've calved down heifers at 2 with no issues.


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    #1856
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    Rushy Fields wrote: »
    This was my first CWI Calf of 2017. Looks like a replacement...... She's quiet leggy but lively and sucked in minutes. Big Massive cow no trouble calving.

    Been meaning to get a photo of our lass for a while, she's no model but she's looking like a good breeder. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102551536&postcount=3000
    That's a topping cow of yours!


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    #1857
    cacs
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    Lady Haywire wrote: »
    Been meaning to get a photo of our lass for a while, she's no model but she's looking like a good breeder. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102551536&postcount=3000
    That's a topping cow of yours!
    I bet you haven't as many photos of your family. Suckler farmers love there cows alright


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    #1858
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    cathal irwin wrote: »
    I bet you haven't as many photos of your family. Suckler farmers love there cows alright

    Cows are my family :p
    Nah I find it good to take photos of heifers/calves every few months, see how they progress then when you compare the photos.


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    #1859
    cacs
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    Lady Haywire wrote: »
    Cows are my family :p
    Nah I find it good to take photos of heifers/calves every few months, see how they progress then when you compare the photos.

    That's a good idea I might do that


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    Rushy Fields
    Registered Users Posts: 222 ✭✭Rushy Fields


    Lady Haywire wrote: »
    Been meaning to get a photo of our lass for a while, she's no model but she's looking like a good breeder. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102551536&postcount=3000
    That's a topping cow of yours!

    She's a serious breeder alright looking at her calf.... had she any trouble calving him?


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    #1861
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    Rushy Fields wrote: »
    She's a serious breeder alright looking at her calf.... had she any trouble calving him?

    Used the jack but myself and the old fella would have pulled him, she'd prob have got him out eventually though. Her mother is a fantastic breeder so that's why we kept her, though her calves we've kept before this were always a bit eh....excitable. So very happy to see this one quiet.


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