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Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

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    #1922
    larthehar
    Registered Users Posts: 606 ✭✭✭larthehar


    RD10 wrote: »
    used zag this and last year on heifers. no problems with any of them. calved away themselves.

    Any photos? Have they good length and shape to them?


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    #1923
    ELP
    Registered Users Posts: 180 ✭✭ELP


    I have a few cows bulled to fiston. First one was Ai'd on 25/5 on my count 286 days she should be due on 7/3. Does fiston carry long over due date? She is a mature cow so she need any help in general.
    Not used to AI here so sorry for all the questions and thanks for any help


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    #1924
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,259 ✭✭✭tanko


    ELP wrote: »
    I have a few cows bulled to fiston. First one was Ai'd on 25/5 on my count 286 days she should be due on 7/3. Does fiston carry long over due date? She is a mature cow so she need any help in general.
    Not used to AI here so sorry for all the questions and thanks for any help

    According to ICBF his average gestation is 291 days.
    Only had 3 Fiston calvings here so far, 9 months plus 9 days (single calf), 9mths + 7 days (twins) and 9 months + 4 days (twins).
    Fiston is an easy calved bull on cows so i wouldn't be too worried.


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    #1925
    ELP
    Registered Users Posts: 180 ✭✭ELP


    Thanks for that do no panic till the end of the month then


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    #1926
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,259 ✭✭✭tanko


    ELP wrote: »
    Thanks for that do no panic till the end of the month then

    Very unlikely it'll be this month.


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    #1927
    GiantPencil
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭GiantPencil


    https://issuu.com/michaeloneill13/docs/bova_ai_beef_sire_brochure_2017
    Bova 2017 beef catalogue.


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    #1928
    Parishlad
    Registered Users Posts: 879 ✭✭✭Parishlad


    tanko wrote: »
    According to ICBF his average gestation is 291 days.
    Only had 3 Fiston calvings here so far, 9 months plus 9 days (single calf), 9mths + 7 days (twins) and 9 months + 4 days (twins).
    Fiston is an easy calved bull on cows so i wouldn't be too worried.

    Where on ICBF do you see the average gestation for bulls?


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    #1929
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    Parishlad wrote: »
    Where on ICBF do you see the average gestation for bulls?

    Go into the calving subsection and then scroll down a small piece


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    #1930
    Parishlad
    Registered Users Posts: 879 ✭✭✭Parishlad


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    Go into the calving subsection and then scroll down a small piece

    Thanks for that!!


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    #1931
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,773 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    GiantPencil wrote: »
    https://issuu.com/michaeloneill13/docs/bova_ai_beef_sire_brochure_2017
    Bova 2017 beef catalogue.

    For a small outfit, they have some line-up of bulls. Like the look of the Lim bull 'Excel'.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #1932
    GiantPencil
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭GiantPencil


    Ya they are definitely shrewd buyers alright, those 2 new Lim bulls they purchased in France last year look nice as well.


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    #1933
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    I always wanted to use balmyle vagabond but the stars are against him


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    #1934
    Future Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Future Farmer


    tanko wrote: »
    According to ICBF his average gestation is 291 days.
    Only had 3 Fiston calvings here so far, 9 months plus 9 days (single calf), 9mths + 7 days (twins) and 9 months + 4 days (twins).
    Fiston is an easy calved bull on cows so i wouldn't be too worried.

    Lots of twins! What breeding behind dams?


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    #1935
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,259 ✭✭✭tanko


    Future Farmer wrote: »
    Lots of twins! What breeding behind dams?

    Yeah, 2 sets of twins out of 3 calvings is a lot, one of the cows is a Pirate x Black white head cow, the other is a CF41 x HKI cow.
    There's a video of Fiston triplet calves on the PG facebook page, i wonder is it in his breeding?


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    #1936
    RD10
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    larthehar wrote: »
    Any photos? Have they good length and shape to them?

    il try get some photos up of them soon. their about a month and a half old now.
    Hard to tell yet how they'll shape up, but ive heard they take off around this age so we'll see.
    grand looking calves at the minute though


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    #1937
    RD10
    Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭RD10


    anyone have okh-ketic handsome calves on the ground yet?


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    #1938
    patsy_mccabe
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    RD10 wrote: »
    anyone have okh-ketic handsome calves on the ground yet?
    I've an OKH (Keltic Handsome) calf here. Very happy with him. Very quiet, nice shape and extremely growthy. Just ignore the twine chewing.:rolleyes:

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #1939
    Rushy Fields
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    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    I've an OHK (Keltic Handsome) calf here. Very happy with him. Very quiet, nice shape and extremely growth. Just ignore the twine chewing.:rolleyes:

    Nice Animal


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    #1940
    adne
    Registered Users Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭adne


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    I've an OHK (Keltic Handsome) calf here. Very happy with him. Very quiet, nice shape and extremely growth. Just ignore the twine chewing.:rolleyes:

    Great calf. Much hassle calving?
    Ive a heifer with 295 days to him. Starting to worry


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    #1941
    Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    Have a nice yellow CH Dec 15 heifer I'm keeping for breeding.
    She's off a good 5 star (unknown Sire) SAX cow & ALU.
    With Eurogene (spoilt for choice) so thinking Mereside Jester, Wilodge Goldcard & Lennon Breezer.
    Anyone got a recommendation?


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    #1942
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,773 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    adne wrote: »
    Great calf. Much hassle calving?
    Ive a heifer with 295 days to him. Starting to worry
    No problems calving, but the mother always has tiny calves. I've seen a few Keltic Bulls at the premier sales in Roscrea and they have all been nice animals.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #1943
    RD10
    Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭RD10


    Had my first okh calf born last night. cow always has a small calf no matter what bull, calf was born unassisted but was on the big side, was just wondering what other people's taughts were on him. he's a good lively calf and sucking away every time you look around. looks like there'll be good shape to him too.
    will put up a picture later if i can


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    #1944
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,259 ✭✭✭tanko


    Farrell wrote: »
    Have a nice yellow CH Dec 15 heifer I'm keeping for breeding.
    She's off a good 5 star (unknown Sire) SAX cow & ALU.
    With Eurogene (spoilt for choice) so thinking Mereside Jester, Wilodge Goldcard & Lennon Breezer.
    Anyone got a recommendation?

    Mereside Jet has a muscle figure of 179 and a skeletal figure of 129, his CD will hardly stay at 4% for long.
    What about Tomschoice Jet?


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    #1945
    Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    tanko wrote: »
    Farrell wrote: »
    Have a nice yellow CH Dec 15 heifer I'm keeping for breeding.
    She's off a good 5 star (unknown Sire) SAX cow & ALU.
    With Eurogene (spoilt for choice) so thinking Mereside Jester, Wilodge Goldcard & Lennon Breezer.
    Anyone got a recommendation?

    Mereside Jet has a muscle figure of 179 and a skeletal figure of 129, his CD will hardly stay at 4% for long.
    What about Tomschoice Jet?

    He looks good & short gestation, looks a bit leggy, but could be an option.
    Have a heifer due next month to Breezer & goldcard looks good, what you think of them?


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    #1946
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,259 ✭✭✭tanko


    They all look good, i wouldn't be putting any of them on heifers tho, you're pretty brave with your bull choices.


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    #1947
    Farrell
    Registered Users Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Farrell


    tanko wrote: »
    They all look good, i wouldn't be putting any of them on heifers tho, you're pretty brave with your bull choices.
    Will be going with LM4007.
    I use to look at CD% & reliability, now skeleton & muscle is to be watched.
    Do you have a rule of thumb?


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    #1948
    Pidae.m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 851 ✭✭✭Pidae.m


    Super calf
    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    I've an OKH (Keltic Handsome) calf here. Very happy with him. Very quiet, nice shape and extremely growth. Just ignore the twine chewing.:rolleyes:


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    #1949
    Sheep breeder
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    Farrell wrote: »
    He looks good & short gestation, looks a bit leggy, but could be an option.
    Have a heifer due next month to Breezer & goldcard looks good, what you think of them?

    9 per cent reliability!!!


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    #1950
    bogman_bass
    Registered Users Posts: 5,063 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    Farrell wrote: »
    tanko wrote: »
    They all look good, i wouldn't be putting any of them on heifers tho, you're pretty brave with your bull choices.
    Will be going with LM4007.
    I use to look at CD% & reliability, now skeleton & muscle is to be watched.
    Do you have a rule of thumb?
    I know you were asking Tanko and not me but when it comes to heifers I go for 4% or less and at least 40 calves in a calving proof

    Heifers aren't the place for test straws no mater the breed


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    #1951
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,259 ✭✭✭tanko


    Farrell wrote: »
    Will be going with LM4007.
    I use to look at CD% & reliability, now skeleton & muscle is to be watched.
    Do you have a rule of thumb?

    Not really, you're right to look at CD and reliability first, that's the most important thing but i always have a look at the muscle and skeletal figures if you want to try and correct/balance faults in the cow.
    eg FZF has a skeletal figure of 126, he puts a lot of size and frame into cattle, ONI is 134, he breeds big cattle too.
    Used KJB a fair bit here, his skeletal figure is 111, cattle off him can be a bit small imo. ZAG is 107.
    Store bullocks 16 months old i sold last year off ONI made €100-€150 more than off KJB because they were bigger and longer.
    Then again ICBF figures are far from perfect, HCA is a good example, cattle of him have decent size and plenty of muscle yet he's in the bottom 1% of the Limousin breed for both which is rubbish. He was a super bull to breed U+ cattle that killed out at heavy weights.


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