Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

furandfeather

RD10 wrote: »

anyone have calves from clonagh frosty king or AHC? thinking of using them on two cows this evening? would they be hard calved?

Ach is breeding right good calves from what I've seen of them. Average calving too

Phantasos

I had an AHC calf and it's black and white. Mother is brown simmental, grandmother a friesian. Found it a very strange colouration, I'm assuming it can happen?

tanko

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

They can't be got anymore. I know cause I asked NCBC a while back. Pedigree breeders might be tempted to pay well for them.

Think I'll put them on the best cows i have and hope for heifers. Got five heifers from five calvings off him this year, the same again would be great.
Found two Lisnacrann Sunnyboy straws as well, thought they were all gone too.
Have six calves off him this year, he looks like a very good bull so far.

ELP

Have a lim cow billing this evening she has a great bb Ross alo calf at foot. Was thinking of using Bova Hideal HJD has anybody used it yet? What do you think of it

Seaba

RD10 wrote: »

anyone have calves from clonagh frosty king or AHC? thinking of using them on two cows this evening? would they be hard calved?

I am looking to get a few straws of a son of his - Coose Gambler. Lovely looking bull. Not tall, well muscled, good calving diff and good milk. Only 50% reliability for these figures though - no calves on the ground from what I can see.

patsy_mccabe

Clonagh frosty king looks a great bull. Great breeding.

croot

RD10 wrote: »

anyone have calves from clonagh frosty king or AHC? thinking of using them on two cows this evening? would they be hard calved?

I have one calved to AHC and another straggler overdue at 295 days. First one is a bull calf don't you know but was calved on her own. Lovely calf and a crying shame it's a bull. I'll let you know in the next few days what the next one is like

tanko

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

No idea. Bavardage who is by ON-DIT has gone very scarce now too. I managed to get 2 straws myself recently.

There's a Bavardage son called Moondharrig knell (LM 4217), in the Gene Ireland programme this year, don't know if any straws are left off him.

sonnybill

Any opinions on Curaheen Earp calving wise? I gave him to BBQ Belgian blue with first calf at foot and was thinking afterwards she had a shapey enough calf out of ZAG and was I a bit chancey giving her a sim 2nd time out

RD10

sonnybill wrote: »

Any opinions on Curaheen Earp calving wise? I gave him to BBQ Belgian blue with first calf at foot and was thinking afterwards she had a shapey enough calf out of ZAG and was I a bit chancey giving her a sim 2nd time out

only used him twice. nice sizes of calves at birth and growing into lovely shaped animals. i personally would only use him on cows who have had a calf or two under them, or a good calver.
wouldnt use him on heifers. but thats just my opinion.

sonnybill

RD10 wrote: »

only used him twice. nice sizes of calves at birth and growing into lovely shaped animals. i personally would only use him on cows who have had a calf or two under them, or a good calver.
wouldnt use him on heifers. but thats just my opinion.

Cheers for that , BB X in the cow is what I'd be wary off too

tanko

Have some Earp calves here, i think you'll be grand, he's fine for second calvers.

Pidae.m

Topnotch elvis grandson.

patsy_mccabe

Pidae.m wrote: »

Topnotch elvis grandson.

He does have a hound dog head on him.:D
Super calf.

Pidae.m

Daddy's from Clare & mammys from listowel so he never really had chance

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

He does have a hound dog head on him.:D

pure breed

Hi I'm wondering would it be OK to keep a scrub bull for the BDGP? We currently have a FSZ Fiston off Simental cow with good 5 stars maternal and terminal. Father wants to keep him. Any opinions if it's allowed etc.?

blue5000

pure breed wrote: »

Hi I'm wondering would it be OK to keep a scrub bull for the BDGP? We currently have a FSZ Fiston off Simental cow with good 5 stars maternal and terminal. Father wants to keep him. Any opinions if it's allowed etc.?

I think it is ok, only problem is he will only be 5 stars across breeds not within breed so if he slips there he is no good for you. Good ped bulls will usually have 5 stars across breed and within breed, if he slips within breed, he still might be ok across breeds.

pure breed

Thanks Blue, so am I'm I taking it right that if his not 4 or 5 stars within the breed he can't be used?

croot

pure breed wrote: »

Thanks Blue, so am I'm I taking it right that if his not 4 or 5 stars within the breed he can't be used?

He a crossbreed so he can't be within breed if you know what I mean. He can be used alright but the issue is if his index drops like a stone you may not qualify anymore. A pedigree can qualify both across breed and within breed.

pure breed

Yeah I understand that it's impossible for him within the breed to have any stars as not full CH but was hoping across the breeds would do. Thanks fir reply.

Hard Knocks

croot wrote: »

He a crossbreed so he can't be within breed if you know what I mean. He can be used alright but the issue is if his index drops like a stone you may not qualify anymore. A pedigree can qualify both across breed and within breed.

With Bulls in this scheme, don't the have to be 4/5 star the day you buy them to qualify.
If their stars fall, it only affects their progeny being suitable.

tanko

pure breed wrote: »

Yeah I understand that it's impossible for him within the breed to have any stars as not full CH but was hoping across the breeds would do. Thanks fir reply.

If he's 4 or 5 stars across breeds on either the terminal or maternal index he qualifies for the scheme i'm pretty sure.

RobinBanks

Tanko have you used much of rocky Lim bull?

tanko

RobinBanks wrote: »

Tanko have you used much of rocky Lim bull?

No, never used him. Too hard calved for my liking. A dairy farmer up the road has a Rocky son as a stock bull with his big Holstein ciws, his calving Jack is in constant use.
There's hardly any Rocky straws about now? He bred serious cattle tho.

RobinBanks

tanko wrote: »

No, never used him. Too hard calved for my liking. A dairy farmer up the road has a Rocky son as a stock bull with his big Holstein ciws, his calving Jack is in constant use.
There's hardly any Rocky straws about now? He bred serious cattle tho.

I have a few but using him with caution. Last 2 were brutes but probably put into the wrong type cow. Supposed to make lovely cows. That's why I was asking! Thought you might have come across some

tanko

There's a big poster of Rocky on a wall in Cavan mart, that's about as close i ever got to him. I see his calving difficulty is only 7.5%, i would have expected it to be higher.

Sheep breeder

We have a rocky stock bull out of a hawk cow, super shape and as quiet as a lamb and is running with the heifers at the moment for the second season, getting serious shape in his calves, the females lack milk after rocky. No problems calving but manage stock well for calving.

patsy_mccabe

Sheep breeder wrote: »

We have a rocky stock bull out of a hawk cow, super shape and as quiet as a lamb and is running with the heifers at the moment for the second season, getting serious shape in his calves, the females lack milk after rocky. No problems calving but manage stock well for calving.

Ronick Hawk is one of the top bulls in the breed for milk, so some of those genetics should be coming through. I've a PBR cow, her mother is by Hawk. She has loads of milk, even though the bull she is out of has poor figures.

High bike

Hard Knocks wrote: »

With Bulls in this scheme, don't the have to be 4/5 star the day you buy them to qualify.
If their stars fall, it only affects their progeny being suitable.

Your spot on there if you buy a bull,don't know though if it differs if you breed him yourself.Maybe someone else can answer that one?

Mac Taylor

Had a rocky stockbull for years, super quite as was his stock. Very few issues with calving. Kept a few heifers from him initially but they never stayed a second year, no milk and pelvic structure not great (2 different AI men). A very good weanling producer.