Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

Farmer_3650

squinn2912 wrote: »

I need to bother to read the journal for these things. Anybody for Tullamore on tuesday?[/quote

I'm planning on going to it. I think it should be interesting to see a Suckler and sheep farm on the one day. I'm sure the Farmers Journal will have plenty of demonstrations throughout the day too

patsy_mccabe

tanko wrote: »

Think there was an open day there in the last year or two but couldn't make it.

the Limousin Society went there as part of the international congress.
https://www.irishlimousin.com/html/ilc_day_1.html

squinn2912

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

tanko wrote: »

Think there was an open day there in the last year or two but couldn't make it.

the Limousin Society went there as part of the international congress.
https://www.irishlimousin.com/html/ilc_day_1.html

Good wee write up that. Amazing herd. I wondered if there was much use of cross bred bulls around the country I don't know anyone doing it properly. Can't get over the size of those cows it's hard to see how they'd have that power if they calved at 24 months.

Donegalforever

BelgianBlue13 wrote: »

Any advice on progressive genetics bulls,i have some shapey cows but i want a show calf out of them ,so what bull does the job?

Progressive Genetic Limousin Bull : Castleview Gazelle (ZAG) is throwing fantastic calves, very shapely and broad. He has a Calving Difficulty of 4.5% at 99% reliability.
I have had two calves out of him with different cows and both were excellent.

tanko

Has anyone else noticed a fertility problem with OZS cows?
I've six of them here which all calved for the second time this spring, these six had the six longest calving intervals of the thirty cows here this year and they haven't been easy to get in-calf this year, three of them have repeated so far and I've had very few repeats with the cows off other bulls.

It's looking like three of them might be getting the gate which is a pity as OZS breeds a real nice sort of cow which are well able to calve. Have plenty of replacements so it's not a big problem.

squinn2912

Donegalforever wrote: »

BelgianBlue13 wrote: »

Any advice on progressive genetics bulls,i have some shapey cows but i want a show calf out of them ,so what bull does the job?

Progressive Genetic Limousin Bull : Castleview Gazelle (ZAG) is throwing fantastic calves, very shapely and broad. He has a Calving Difficulty of 4.5% at 99% reliability.
I have had two calves out of him with different cows and both were excellent.

Tullamore farm used Gazelle this year it seems he produces fantastic progeny for bull beef but their big focus is on replacements. What breed are your cows? Would blue bulls suit you to maintain and add shape

sonnybill

tanko wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed a fertility problem with OZS cows?
I've six of them here which all calved for the second time this spring, these six had the six longest calving intervals of the thirty cows here this year and they haven't been easy to get in-calf this year, three of them have repeated so far and I've had very few repeats with the cows off other bulls.

It's looking like three of them might be getting the gate which is a pity as OZS breeds a real nice sort of cow which are well able to calve. Have plenty of replacements so it's not a big problem.

I've only one OZS black lim and agree with you that she slow enough to show heat .. One single dot on her last year from teaser/ chin ball and we Ai'd her last year and she kept. She slow again this year .. Interval wise she slipping

tanko

sonnybill wrote: »

I've only one OZS black lim and agree with you that she slow enough to show heat .. One single dot on her last year from teaser/ chin ball and we Ai'd her last year and she kept. She slow again this year .. Interval wise she slipping

Yeah, it's a bad trait for cows to have. I see the fertility figures for OZS on ICBF are very bad, his daughters are in the bottom 1% within and across breeds for daughter calving interval. Looks like it's a fault with him.

cacs

I have one cow out of ozs I haven't noticed any fertility problems but she did get a prid this year. The one cow I have is out pb sim cow and you would get more milk out a cat. Nice beefy cow but

squinn2912

Strange he should be milky. VZN seems a much better bet for replacements at the moment

cacs

I put a Germany straw in her a flechvie bull called winsler. He is a good shape dairy Simmental. Interesting to see how it goes. I run a Lim bull with rest of the cows rated 4 star star terminal 5 star replacement I think he is around 3.5 kegs of milk which is poor but great for Lim

patsy_mccabe

squinn2912 wrote: »

Strange he should be milky. VZN seems a much better bet for replacements at the moment

Vision VZN breeds cattle with very sickled back legs. I notice it a lot in his pedigree stock. One of my pet hates.

Sorry it's Ramses RMX I meant. Apologies!!!

Never wrestle with pigs

tanko wrote: »

Yeah, it's a bad trait for cows to have. I see the fertility figures for OZS on ICBF are very bad, his daughters are in the bottom 1% within and across breeds for daughter calving interval. Looks like it's a fault with him.

Nice to see the data backing up what's happening on the ground.

Never wrestle with pigs

cathal irwin wrote: »

I put a Germany straw in her a flechvie bull called winsler. He is a good shape dairy Simmental. Interesting to see how it goes. I run a Lim bull with rest of the cows rated 4 star star terminal 5 star replacement I think he is around 3.5 kegs of milk which is poor but great for Lim

Friend tryed a few of him and is very happy. He's a for cow not heifers.

cacs

I put him into three cows this year. Looking forward to see what they come with. Knowing my luck probably Bulls

squinn2912

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

squinn2912 wrote: »

Strange he should be milky. VZN seems a much better bet for replacements at the moment

Vision VZN breeds cattle with very sickled back legs. I notice it a lot in his pedigree stock. One of my pet hates.

Is that right? I hadn't noticed that I must take more of a look. Could wind up with longevity problems there. It's a shame because he's very impressive otherwise

cacs

Has anyone any calfs or better cows off the Simmental bull celtic rock(rkz). His figure look good but he has a relatively low star index. Why i wonder?

patsy_mccabe

squinn2912 wrote: »

Is that right? I hadn't noticed that I must take more of a look. Could wind up with longevity problems there. It's a shame because he's very impressive otherwise

Ramses RMX I meant, sorry.

Future Farmer

Anyone use any of that Idalgo? I meant to but ended up not. Might just use polled bulls next year.

Idalgo, Deuter & then maybe something like AA4087 or RGZ on the heifers...

Neighbour has about 10 Idalgos very impressive looking....

squinn2912

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

squinn2912 wrote: »

Is that right? I hadn't noticed that I must take more of a look. Could wind up with longevity problems there. It's a shame because he's very impressive otherwise

Ramses RMX I meant, sorry.

No worries, I was wondering about that. Any experience of VZN, looks like a great option, especially for replacements

patsy_mccabe

squinn2912 wrote: »

No worries, I was wondering about that. Any experience of VZN, looks like a great option, especially for replacements

I haven't used him, but I'd say he's worth trying a few straws.

Seaba

cathal irwin wrote: »

Has anyone any calfs or better cows off the Simmental bull celtic rock(rkz). His figure look good but he has a relatively low star index. Why i wonder?

Was looking through a few like him recently - just see on his linear score he is below average for muscle and well above average for height. Going by this alone you'd want to give him to a muscly, short cow to get a "balanced" (heifer) calf.

cacs

There you go I knew there was more to it. Thanks for that

Seaba

cathal irwin wrote: »

There you go I knew there was more to it. Thanks for that

That's only my tuppence worth from purely looking at the figures. Could be arseways wrong!
There is a limousin bull called Pacha 08 (PCH). Brilliant replacement figures. Gave him to a cow here years ago. She had a big lanky heifer calf - looked at linear score for him on ICBF - well below average for muscle and well above for height. Always check that nowadays before I decide on a bull.

patsy_mccabe

Seaba wrote: »

That's only my tuppence worth from purely looking at the figures. Could be arseways wrong!
There is a limousin bull called Pacha 08 (PCH). Brilliant replacement figures. Gave him to a cow here years ago. She had a big lanky heifer calf - looked at linear score for him on ICBF - well below average for muscle and well above for height. Always check that nowadays before I decide on a bull.

I always do this. It's always a balance between muscle and skeletal. Pick bulls to balance out the weakness in the cows.

adne

Anyone used the lm bull rbf (caboteur)?

Bellview

Future Farmer wrote:

Idalgo, Deuter & then maybe something like AA4087 or RGZ on the heifers...

Aa4087 is double muscle angus..calving could be tough

tanko

adne wrote: »

Anyone used the lm bull rbf (caboteur)?

Don't know anything about him, he's €32/straw according to the Limousin society website.

adne

tanko wrote: »

Don't know anything about him, he's €32/straw according to the Limousin society website.

Thanks. Yes i bought through the society. Figures look good and balanced but always better to hear peoples feedback.

Pidae.m

Seaba wrote: »

That's only my tuppence worth from purely looking at the figures. Could be arseways wrong!
There is a limousin bull called Pacha 08 (PCH). Brilliant replacement figures. Gave him to a cow here years ago. She had a big lanky heifer calf - looked at linear score for him on ICBF - well below average for muscle and well above for height. Always check that nowadays before I decide on a bull.

I've a cow off him. Shocking cow with a shocking couple of calves. Giving her the chop this year