Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

squinn2912 · 03-10-2017 11:43am

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

squinn2912 wrote: »

That's a big problem with the simmentals alright. Great maternal but anything else will have a big horrible gut. Charolais my first love then lims. Not sure I buy it that sims rear the best calves

Out of second calvers, Jan/Feb born. 450kg at a guess. I'll let you know during the week when I sell them. They might have a bit of a gut but they won't be bet for daily weight gain and will weight like lead.

What sort of cows to those two lads come from? They're great cattle surely but certainly don't have the shape of a lim/ch. Be interesting to see how they do up against weanlings of those breeds. My experience of them has always been that they don't weigh too well and are difficult to flesh as well.

Never wrestle with pigs · 03-10-2017 4:04pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

What sort of cows to those two lads come from? They're great cattle surely but certainly don't have the shape of a lim/ch. Be interesting to see how they do up against weanlings of those breeds. My experience of them has always been that they don't weigh too well and are difficult to flesh as well.

They are %90 sim. I'll agree that there is allot of very bad examples of the breed. To many kept for breeding that have shoulders like fr.

squinn2912 · 03-10-2017 4:08pm

I'm guessing that you have a good sim stock bull? Very hard to change a good quiet bull that's doing the job for you. Would you consider a lim or ch to cross with them next time? Sim cow and Charolais calf is a great cross. You'd have plenty of milk for replacements. The auctioneer in our mart alternates every 3-4 years between charolais and sim. Ch stores in marts but sim in factories as he reckons the boys in the mart don't like the sims.

Never wrestle with pigs · 03-10-2017 7:24pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

I'm guessing that you have a good sim stock bull? Very hard to change a good quiet bull that's doing the job for you. Would you consider a lim or ch to cross with them next time? Sim cow and Charolais calf is a great cross. You'd have plenty of milk for replacements. The auctioneer in our mart alternates every 3-4 years between charolais and sim. Ch stores in marts but sim in factories as he reckons the boys in the mart don't like the sims.

No im going to stick with sim. I'm aiming to sell replacement heifers at 14 months old and a few springers calving down at two years old. All bulls sold as wenlings to pay bills etc. I wouldn't have the space to keep them nor the knowledge to kill them tbh.

I try a few straws every year of a different breed just to have something different coming along. Tried shorthorn last year and got some lovely marked heifers and I'm going to try a few ch this spring. Looking for a ch that will produce nice wenlings, probably go with fiston or Jupiter.

squinn2912 · 03-10-2017 7:44pm

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

squinn2912 wrote: »

I'm guessing that you have a good sim stock bull? Very hard to change a good quiet bull that's doing the job for you. Would you consider a lim or ch to cross with them next time? Sim cow and Charolais calf is a great cross. You'd have plenty of milk for replacements. The auctioneer in our mart alternates every 3-4 years between charolais and sim. Ch stores in marts but sim in factories as he reckons the boys in the mart don't like the sims.

No im going to stick with sim. I'm aiming to sell replacement heifers at 14 months old and a few springers calving down at two years old. All bulls sold as wenlings to pay bills etc. I wouldn't have the space to keep them nor the knowledge to kill them tbh.

I try a few straws every year of a different breed just to have something different coming along. Tried shorthorn last year and got some lovely marked heifers and I'm going to try a few ch this spring. Looking for a ch that will produce nice wenlings, probably go with fiston or Jupiter.

Ahh I see I think you're doing exactly the right thing then if that's your target. I'd say the shorthorn x sim are making you lovely replacements?
We're Lim (2 seasons with char) bulls over the last 10 years and char before that. I like that the lims will do both jobs but think I'd like to move back to char next time to make the more stylish weanling/store/finisher. If I get my way on that then it's not hard to guess what I'll have my head up for 3-4 seasons later!

sonnybill · 05-10-2017 9:58pm

Zag lad, not bad for her first calf !

White Clover · 05-10-2017 10:01pm

sonnybill wrote: »

Zag lad, not bad for her first calf !

Miller

Future Farmer · 06-10-2017 10:21am

sonnybill wrote: »

Zag lad, not bad for her first calf !

Fine calf! What you give her the second time around?

sonnybill · 06-10-2017 9:39pm

sonnybill wrote: »

Zag lad, not bad for her first calf !

e900 278kg sold him today

sonnybill · 06-10-2017 9:40pm

Future Farmer wrote: »

Fine calf! What you give her the second time around?

In calf to LZF

Hard Knocks · 06-10-2017 11:11pm

sonnybill wrote: »

In calf to LZF

Is he the replacement of PTE / HKI for 2nd calvers?

charolais0153 · 07-10-2017 12:01am

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Is he the replacement of PTE / HKI for 2nd calvers?

Bigger than pte but not as muscled. a fine bull no doubt

High bike · 07-10-2017 10:09pm

Anyone any experience of a bull called Wilodge Cerberus???

FeelTheBern · 08-10-2017 7:49am

High bike wrote: »

Anyone any experience of a bull called Wilodge Cerberus???

Haven't been following the limousin sales for a few years but remember he was all the rage at a premier sale I was at few years ago. I remember someone saying afterwards that his offspring could be stone mad though.

Who2 · 08-10-2017 12:37pm

High bike wrote: »

Anyone any experience of a bull called Wilodge Cerberus???

Serious bull with good shape in his off spring, one of my favorites

patsy_mccabe · 08-10-2017 1:43pm

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Haven't been following the limousin sales for a few years but remember he was all the rage at a premier sale I was at few years ago. I remember someone saying afterwards that his offspring could be stone mad though.

That might have been me. Had to cull a purebred cerberus Lim cow before she killed someone. She wasn't even a nervous type just mad aggressive. She'd travel the length of the field to get someone after she calved.
Just my experience of one cow mind ya.

squinn2912 · 08-10-2017 4:05pm

Shame his offspring seem outstanding in every other way. Would vantastic be the solution?

pure breed · 08-10-2017 4:25pm

Hi folks, see the munster AI catalogue is out.
Anyone any calves or knowledge of the limousin bull Lm4217 (moondharrig knell) that's on it. His figures are great but reliability is lowish.
Thanks

tanko · 08-10-2017 5:44pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

Shame his offspring seem outstanding in every other way. Would vantastic be the solution?

The solution to what???

His straws will probably cost you a grand each if they can be got at all.
Ampertaine Elgin seems to be all the rage at the minute with pedigree breeders.

patsy_mccabe · 08-10-2017 6:12pm

pure breed wrote: »

Hi folks, see the munster AI catalogue is out.
Anyone any calves or knowledge of the limousin bull Lm4217 (moondharrig knell) that's on it. His figures are great but reliability is lowish.
Thanks

Great pedigree, bavardage x nimbus x Millbrook Hansome. Worth trying on one or two mature cows.
I've seen a lot of very good bavardage cows. I have 2 of his straws.

High bike · 08-10-2017 7:51pm

Who2 wrote: »

Serious bull with good shape in his off spring, one of my favorites

the reason I asked was I bought a purebred cow and she's incalf to him.Shape isn't much good if it's a lunatic like people here are saying

Who2 · 08-10-2017 7:59pm

High bike wrote: »

the reason I asked was I bought a purebred cow and she's incalf to him.Shape isn't much good if it's a lunatic like people here are saying

The couple i had were grand, they wouldnt lick your hand but you could walk in round them without disturbing them.

High bike · 08-10-2017 8:03pm

Who2 wrote: »

The couple i had were grand, they wouldnt lick your hand but you could walk in round them without disturbing them.

id settle for that,got rid of all the mad yokes I had and no intention of starting again;)

Never wrestle with pigs · 08-10-2017 8:54pm

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Out of second calvers, Jan/Feb born. 450kg at a guess. I'll let you know during the week when I sell them. They might have a bit of a gut but they won't be bet for daily weight gain and will weight like lead.

Pic 1 470kg €1030
Pic 2 440kg €1060
Other lads were 500kg €1090
405kg €1010
440kg €1090
April ch bull plane but nice 345kg €900

Nice ch bulls same weight shape etc were €100/€150 more easily.

Black lims nice stock grading u with their ease seemed a bad trade for some reason. Back €50/€100 on the sims don't know why.

I'm happy with that tbh as what I loose with the bulls I'd hope to gain with the heifers. Definitely going to try a few ch straws in spring to hedge my bets.

squinn2912 · 08-10-2017 9:29pm

Good going you were spot on with your predictions. Can't beat the good early calf. Be interesting to see how the ch go for you this time next year. When a farmer is used to a system often he will go back that way after trying something different

Hard Knocks · 20-10-2017 4:24pm

The man in red and black wrote: »

Have to scan 5 at home on Thursday that were AI'd to Bivouac. Looks good for milk/maternal for a CH.

Had you any issue with the Bivouac calves, what your thoughts on the bull?

Hard Knocks · 20-10-2017 4:24pm

The man in red and black wrote: »

Have to scan 5 at home on Thursday that were AI'd to Bivouac. Looks good for milk/maternal for a CH.

Had you any issue with the Bivouac calves, what your thoughts on the bull?

tanko · 20-10-2017 8:38pm

p dogg wrote: »

I see Progressive have a new simmental bull called Lis na Ri Gucci a glebefarm tyson son. I often wondered why gfy hadnt any sons in ai considering his star ratings and huge praise of his offspring. IS4 is gucci s maternal grandfather and I've heard nothing but good reports about him too. He could be a top quality sire with that sort of breeding

I see the Autumn Gene Ireland programme has Gucci straws for €5 each.

patsy_mccabe · 20-10-2017 8:52pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

Good going you were spot on with your predictions. Can't beat the good early calf. Be interesting to see how the ch go for you this time next year. When a farmer is used to a system often he will go back that way after trying something different

I think char weanlings are getting scarcer this year. Also with the increasing amount of Lim breeding in suckler cows, the benefits of crossbreeding are lost by using a Lim bull again, instead of a char bull.
Hard to beat that hairy yellow char weanling.

Lady Haywire · 20-10-2017 8:59pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I think char weanlings are getting scarcer this year. Also with the increasing amount of Lim breeding in suckler cows, the benefits of crossbreeding are lost by using a Lim bull again, instead of a char bull.
Hard to beat that hairy yellow char weanling.

Nothing wrong with a limo/ch cow, heifer comes orange, use limo bull, heifer comes limo colour, use ch bull. That's the way I'm working atm. Though used a good bit of ch on the weaker pb limos this year, especially those with weaker stars as the bulls won't be as in demand.

I'd chance most but simmentals, just can't warm to them, maybe cause they're never liked in the ring around here at all.

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