Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

Rushy Fields

Have 2012 a 96% CH cow, her mother was was a CH cow too, her father was PTE. Shes a tall strong cow. She had twins last year form QCD. Calved on her own. No issues.
What i am wondering is, has anyone any experience of calving CSQ on Strong CH Cows? I see his calving difficulty is up at 13.4% .... seems a bit high for my liking. I dont want to cause unessary trouble for myself. I usually don't go above 10%. Should i go for FSZ OR LZF instead? Hoping for a bull weanling obviously!

Lady Haywire

Rushy Fields wrote: »

Have 2012 a 96% CH cow, her mother was was a CH cow too, her father was PTE. Shes a tall strong cow. She had twins last year form QCD. Calved on her own. No issues.
What i am wondering is, has anyone any experience of calving CSQ on Strong CH Cows? I see his calving difficulty is up at 13.4% .... seems a bit high for my liking. I dont want to cause unessary trouble for myself. I usually don't go above 10%. Should i go for FSZ OR LZF instead? Hoping for a bull weanling obviously!

I've used him on a strong CH cow, had a very big Crossmolina Jupiter heifer last year too. TBH I wouldn't put it on her again as the calf came very big, only for I know she's a good calver I'd not have chanced it.
Have C-Ju[piter on her again this year and it's either a giant bull or twins:pac:

charolais0153

Rushy Fields wrote: »

Have 2012 a 96% CH cow, her mother was was a CH cow too, her father was PTE. Shes a tall strong cow. She had twins last year form QCD. Calved on her own. No issues.
What i am wondering is, has anyone any experience of calving CSQ on Strong CH Cows? I see his calving difficulty is up at 13.4% .... seems a bit high for my liking. I dont want to cause unessary trouble for myself. I usually don't go above 10%. Should i go for FSZ OR LZF instead? Hoping for a bull weanling obviously!

Csq brings them big but a mature charolais cow will calve him by herself.

charolais0153

Lady Haywire wrote: »

I've used him on a strong CH cow, had a very big Crossmolina Jupiter heifer last year too. TBH I wouldn't put it on her again as the calf came very big, only for I know she's a good calver I'd not have chanced it.
Have C-Ju[piter on her again this year and it's either a giant bull or twins:pac:

Jupiter is only around 8% in the latest evaluations.

Rushy Fields

Lady Haywire wrote: »

I've used him on a strong CH cow, had a very big Crossmolina Jupiter heifer last year too. TBH I wouldn't put it on her again as the calf came very big, only for I know she's a good calver I'd not have chanced it.
Have C-Ju[piter on her again this year and it's either a giant bull or twins:pac:

charolais0153 wrote: »

Csq brings them big but a mature charolais cow will calve him by herself.

Whats your opinion on FSZ OR LZF?

Lady Haywire

Rushy Fields wrote: »

Whats your opinion on FSZ OR LZF?

Haven't used either so afriad I'm not much use with them.

TITANIUM.

Rushy Fields wrote: »

Whats your opinion on FSZ OR LZF?

Both handy enough calved. Extra shape in fsz. But can get caught for height when they come very muscular. He can breed superb stock of the right cow.
Lzf easier calved no where near as facy as fsz better on frame and height. If your selling as weanlings then it would be hard to look past fsz TBH.
What type of cow are we talking about?

charolais0153

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Both handy enough calved. Extra shape in fsz. But can get caught for height when they come very muscular. He can breed superb stock of the right cow.
Lzf easier calved no where near as facy as fsz better on frame and height. If your selling as weanlings then it would be hard to look past tax TBH.
What type of cow are we talking about?

Tax?

charolais0153

Rushy Fields wrote: »

Whats your opinion on FSZ OR LZF?

If the cow is out of pirate she probably wont be too big so lzf would probably be better. Id use csq tbh. Nothing ventured nothing gained as they say

tanko

charolais0153 wrote: »

If the cow is out of pirate she probably wont be too big so lzf would probably be better. Id use csq tbh. Nothing ventured nothing gained as they say

Only had one pirate cow here off a bwh cow, she calved first at 26 months, sold her last year when she was10 yrs old, she weighed 810 kilos then and was a lot bigger than her mother.
Fiston is a super bull and very easy calved, works best on bigger cows. I find they really take off when theyre a year old.
CSQ ia 13.4% CD, chances of a hard calving, a section or a dead calf are too high with him i think.
Sold this April 16 Fiston x Ion heifer recently 585 kgs €1385, she got no feeding and was as big as her mother at that stage.

TITANIUM.

charolais0153 wrote: »

Tax?

Fixed it. Dame predictive text. Good name for a bull though. "The Taxman"

simx

tanko wrote: »

Only had one pirate cow here off a bwh cow, she calved first at 26 months, sold her last year when she was10 yrs old, she weighed 810 kilos then and was a lot bigger than her mother.
Fiston is a super bull and very easy calved, works best on bigger cows. I find they really take off when theyre a year old.
CSQ ia 13.4% CD, chances of a hard calving, a section or a dead calf are too high with him i think.
Sold this April 16 Fiston x Ion heifer recently 585 kgs €1385, she got no feeding and was as big as her mother at that stage.

Heard good things about ch2304 and 6.5% cd

charolais0153

Ya hes easy calving. This lad slipped out .

Hard Knocks

simx wrote: »

Heard good things about ch2304 and 6.5% cd

Doesn’t rate well for height on ICBF, what’s he like in reality

simx

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Doesn’t rate well for height on ICBF, what’s he like in reality

Have no personal experience of him tbh but have heard a few lads talking about him and have used him, I'm an ai man so that's my connection with most of these beef bulls, have seen a good bit of progeny, as regards ch I have given ch2218,bivouac to a nice share of cows

charolais0153

simx wrote: »

Have no personal experience of him tbh but have heard a few lads talking about him and have used him, I'm an ai man so that's my connection with most of these beef bulls, have seen a good bit of progeny, as regards ch I have given ch2218,bivouac to a nice share of cows

Any ch2305 doon just the job

simx

charolais0153 wrote: »

Any ch2305 doon just the job

Not as much tbh 17% cd probably off putting, probably use more lm than ch in my area overall

tanko

simx wrote: »

Have no personal experience of him tbh but have heard a few lads talking about him and have used him, I'm an ai man so that's my connection with most of these beef bulls, have seen a good bit of progeny, as regards ch I have given ch2218,bivouac to a nice share of cows

What do you think of Bivouac?

charolais0153

Is there any simmental bulls with sexed semen?

simx

tanko wrote: »

What do you think of Bivouac?

Nice progeny after him seen a few examples, one pedigree breeder near me uses him on heifers and some 1st Calvers

Hard Knocks

simx wrote: »

Nice progeny after him seen a few examples, one pedigree breeder near me uses him on heifers and some 1st Calvers

He’s by Pinay, should be easy calving

adne

tanko wrote: »

Anyone used the CH Bivouac, he looks like a good easy calving bull or the Lim Mullary Intrepid, looks like a super terminal bull, calving difficulty only 5.3 also.

Hi Tanko. You had a lot of pics of great fzf favori stock up on an earlier thread. Just wondering g did u keep any of the heifers for breeding and how'd they fair out for calving. Milk etc.
I've 10 fzf straws thinking of putting on my best cows and hope to bred a few replacements

tanko

adne wrote: »

Hi Tanko. You had a lot of pics of great fzf favori stock up on an earlier thread. Just wondering g did u keep any of the heifers for breeding and how'd they fair out for calving. Milk etc.
I've 10 fzf straws thinking of putting on my best cows and hope to bred a few replacements

I kept three of them and they calved last spring to Highfield odran, two had heifers and one had twins, bull plus heifer. The heifers were poor for milk and it showed in the calves but there wasnt much grass here last year. Two of them are in calf to XCD and the other to Fifty cent so hoping theyll do better this year.
FZF breeds big framed, long heifers with very square ends, he should breed cows that have good calving ability. I wouldnt put him on bigger cows or youll end up with giraffes. Docility isnt too bad with him.
The bulls off him were very good calves, i see on icbf that they killed out at very good grades and big weights but poor fat scores, lot of 2+'s and 3-'s. They wouldnt be easy finished cattle.
I'd use him on medium sized, well muscled milky cows but he's not exactly easy calving either.

Donegalforever

Rushy Fields wrote: »

Whats your opinion on FSZ OR LZF?

I have had calves out of both. They were nothing exceptional.
Cows calved themselves.

Kept heifer calf out of LZF for breeding. Served her to a AA easy calving bull.
Had to send for Vet in the middle of the night. Calve had to come out the side.
Vet said pelvic area too small and warned me not to serve her again.
She had plenty of milk.

Donegalforever

Has anyone any experience with CH4159 (Knockmoyle10 Loki ET)

He has Pirate, Doonally New CF52 & Jupiter in his pedigree

charolais0153

Donegalforever wrote: »

Has anyone any experience with CH4159 (Knockmoyle10 Loki ET)

He has Pirate, Doonally New CF52 & Jupiter in his pedigree

Used him on a 2nd calve. Should be easy calving by pirate but he is unproven with his calves only being born around now

Donegalforever

charolais0153 wrote: »

Used him on a 2nd calve. Should be easy calving by pirate but he is unproven with his calves only being born around now

I had calves by CF52 some years ago. Was well pleased with them/

Seanhorse91

Anyone here use the lim bull in Bova, EXCEL lm4027. By all accounts he has some great calves on the ground. Looking to put him in a good muscley pb heifer in April. Any feedback would be great 👍

adne

tanko wrote: »

I kept three of them and they calved last spring to Highfield odran, two had heifers and one had twins, bull plus heifer. The heifers were poor for milk and it showed in the calves but there wasnt much grass here last year. Two of them are in calf to XCD and the other to Fifty cent so hoping theyll do better this year.
FZF breeds big framed, long heifers with very square ends, he should breed cows that have good calving ability. I wouldnt put him on bigger cows or youll end up with giraffes. Docility isnt too bad with him.
The bulls off him were very good calves, i see on icbf that they killed out at very good grades and big weights but poor fat scores, lot of 2+'s and 3-'s. They wouldnt be easy finished cattle.
I'd use him on medium sized, well muscled milky cows but he's not exactly easy calving either.

Thanks good information there. I've 2 cows getting on in years with blue blood that are a bit on the low side. He could be ideal for them

adne

Seanhorse91 wrote: »

Anyone here use the lim bull in Bova, EXCEL lm4027. By all accounts he has some great calves on the ground. Looking to put him in a good muscley pb heifer in April. Any feedback would be great 👍

He looks good. Going to use on aaxsh 2nd calvers