Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

pure breed

croot wrote:

I have used Ulsan (SA2189) on heifers, Curaheen Earp (SI2152) and ZAG on 2nd calvers and LZF, Fiston and Hurricane Gonzo on mature cows so far. Dont think I'll stray to far from those for the rest.

We've been using LM2117 Tomchoice Imperial on heifers here working out well easily calved.
Zag bringing lovely calves here but small used OKH, GWO as well. GWO no milk unfortunately. Still waiting on a OKH heifer to calf in August.
Lzf has brought height but not as good quality/shape as Fiston calves for us
Also use Curaheen Earp SI2152 luckily few very nice heifers out of him.
Finally used Partenaise Hurricane Gonzo ZGH on couple mature cows last two yrs so far all Bulls hoping to get couple heifers this autumn. Very easily calved although his figures suggest different. Calves small and narrow at birth and fill out in 3 wks.

croot

bogman_bass wrote: »

Have you used gonzo before? I've gotten some great calves from him.

Yes. Got gonzo straws when he was a test bull and I got really good calves from him that are pets. All bulls so far though. I used BZB for a few years and had great calves but a bit wild. I still have two great cows off BZB.

RobinBanks

croot wrote: »

Yes. Got gonzo straws when he was a test bull and I got really good calves from him that are pets. All bulls so far though. I used BZB for a few years and had great calves but a bit wild. I still have two great cows off BZB.

I have 2 super BZB heifers this year. First time having BZB calves but have had parthenaise for a few years now.

2 lovely heifers but absolutely mental.....

squinn2912

I was asking for Gonzo on a heifer a few months ago and the AI man didn't have him. Got BZB and she's held in calf. I didn't know much about him but was disappointed to see the docility score. Heifer herself isn't wild at all but would be stressed out a bit when put in alone. Doesn't seem like the best mix. Have two Gonzo cows one does a super job and the other doing well too. Quiet but don't like you in their space either.

RobinBanks

squinn2912 wrote: »

I was asking for Gonzo on a heifer a few months ago and the AI man didn't have him. Got BZB and she's held in calf. I didn't know much about him but was disappointed to see the docility score. Heifer herself isn't wild at all but would be stressed out a bit when put in alone. Doesn't seem like the best mix. Have two Gonzo cows one does a super job and the other doing well too. Quiet but don't like you in their space either.

What do you cross with the parthenaise cows

squinn2912

Our own lim bull they’re throwing great calves. Nothing to look at themselves now and they get poorish but they put it all into the calf. Calves are good growers with lots of shape. I like them but still think it’s hard to beat the lim cow in the end up

sonnybill

I've a 03 cow She small yellow cow (SH 25% rest CH)with white star and white udder , great cow , would love a white heifer out of her to keep.. She has had 6 bulls on the trot, 2 whites and a yellow this year, what ye think ? LZF not as good on stars as Fiston but should bring more size, or a good yellow TVR heifer would be nice too ? Last chance I'd say for heifer she in pen for AI tonight ??

tanko

Clonagh Frosty King???

Donegalforever

sonnybill wrote: »

I've a 03 cow She small yellow cow (SH 25% rest CH)with white star and white udder , great cow , would love a white heifer out of her to keep.. She has had 6 bulls on the trot, 2 whites and a yellow this year, what ye think ? LZF not as good on stars as Fiston but should bring more size, or a good yellow TVR heifer would be nice too ? Last chance I'd say for heifer she in pen for AI tonight ??

Some of the latest ICBF figures for TVR are not very attractive.
Calving Difficulty : 17.6%
Daughter Milk : Minus 6.30kg


Dovea have a LM Bull Dromanig King (LM4302)
Showing a Calving Difficulty of 4.4%, Daughter Milk 5.10 KG
Replacement and Terminal figures are high.

He is a new bull, so therefore the Reliability figures are around 50% and this needs to be taken into account if you consider using him.

charolais0153

Donegalforever wrote: »

Some of the latest ICBF figures for TVR are not very attractive.
Calving Difficulty : 17.6%
Daughter Milk : Minus 6.30kg


Dovea have a LM Bull Dromanig King (LM4302)
Showing a Calving Difficulty of 4.4%, Daughter Milk 5.10 KG
Replacement and Terminal figures are high.

He is a new bull, so therefore the Reliability figures are around 50% and this needs to be taken into account if you consider using him.

Tvr also has the beat maternal calving difficulty of all the bulls at a high reliability

sonnybill

charolais0153 wrote: »

Tvr also has the beat maternal calving difficulty of all the bulls at a high reliability

TVR is some bull if you can get them out and touchwood he has been lucky for me, I've a 5 star TVR heifer not huge but very fancy !

Went with LZF in the end, would like a white heifer from this cow if I could

Sheep breeder

Donegalforever wrote: »

Some of the latest ICBF figures for TVR are not very attractive.
Calving Difficulty : 17.6%
Daughter Milk : Minus 6.30kg


Dovea have a LM Bull Dromanig King (LM4302)
Showing a Calving Difficulty of 4.4%, Daughter Milk 5.10 KG
Replacement and Terminal figures are high.

He is a new bull, so therefore the Reliability figures are around 50% and this needs to be taken into account if you consider using him.

TVR is from the progressive bull name selection stable and a vantastic son, maybe this star thing is starting to work with one star for both correct with his pedigree. Wonder what his star were when he was launched by progressive at first and when he was to be the next big thing. The calving figures are a shock if you added in all the pedigree that calved normal to this

patsy_mccabe

TVR is 17.6% calving. He is by Vantastic and out of Ardlea Coillte. Ardlea Coillte also produced Elite Flag who is 4.7% for calving and by Commander.

Plumtree Vantastic (S1278) is also by fantastic and he is only 4.2% calving.
Go Figure that one.

FeelTheBern

Sheep breeder wrote: »

TVR is from the progressive bull name selection stable and a vantastic son, maybe this star thing is starting to work with one star for both correct with his pedigree. Wonder what his star were when he was launched by progressive at first and when he was to be the next big thing. The calving figures are a shock if you added in all the pedigree that calved normal to this

Bought a ZAG bull from a breeder few years ago before ZAG was a big name. He'd used Zag straws through some kind of test sire programme - gene ireland maybe? Anyway one of the other sires he'd gotten through the programme was new bull called TVR. Calving difficulty was supposed to be low/normal but he said he was getting fierce trouble with big calves from him back then. So you're right that the hard calving wasn't predicted on his breeding day one.

Hard Knocks

See knockmoyle10 Loki has 77 calvings
Have any of you a calf

patsy_mccabe

Ordered my Lodge Hamlet straws today. €22 a pop from Munster AI.
Just noticed he has Broadmeadows Cannon in his breeding. Crazy how narrow the gene pool is getting in the Limousin. Sypma and Vantasic pop up a lot in my few cows.

Lady Haywire

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Ordered my Lodge Hamlet straws today. €22 a pop from Munster AI.
Just noticed he has Broadmeadows Cannon in his breeding. Crazy how narrow the gene pool is getting in the Limousin. Sypma and Vantasic pop up a lot in my few cows.

No Sympa or Vantastic in any of ours :pac:
Have one cow with two different bulls called Ulysse in her bloodlines though. Looks a bit weird in her cert.

Seanhorse91

Lady Haywire wrote: »

No Sympa or Vantastic in any of ours :pac:
Have one cow with two different bulls called Ulysse in her bloodlines though. Looks a bit weird in her cert.

As a matter of interest Lady Haywire, what bulls have been doing to business for you? Every second bull around have tonka or sympa in them

Lady Haywire

Seanhorse91 wrote: »

As a matter of interest Lady Haywire, what bulls have been doing to business for you? Every second bull around have tonka or sympa in them

We've only a few so it's easy enough to have avoided them by chance.
Our cows all go back to one cow who was by ULE, cows we've got now have back breeding of Tarot, Navarin & Palmares and are sired by Elite Erasmus, Virginia Andy, Castleview Casino, Towthorpe Dubai and ooooh whatshisname, RHF, Roundhill something or other. None are spectacular looking but breed well enough, we don't register them all though, use some for outcross weanlings.
Have straws of Cerberus got so that's Tonka now in the mix though!

Seanhorse91

Lady Haywire wrote: »

We've only a few so it's easy enough to have avoided them by chance.
Our cows all go back to one cow who was by ULE, cows we've got now have back breeding of Tarot, Navarin & Palmares and are sired by Elite Erasmus, Virginia Andy, Castleview Casino, Towthorpe Dubai and ooooh whatshisname, RHF, Roundhill something or other. None are spectacular looking but breed well enough, we don't register them all though, use some for outcross weanlings.
Have straws of Cerberus got so that's Tonka now in the mix though!

Cerberus will add abit of size and milk if you were lacking some. Great all rounder but his stock can be abit flighty afaik. I have a sympa cow due to him around Halloween so fingers crossed for a good one😅
What bulls are your best cow makers as a matter of interest?

Lady Haywire

Seanhorse91 wrote: »

Cerberus will add abit of size and milk if you were lacking some. Great all rounder but his stock can be abit flighty afaik. I have a sympa cow due to him around Halloween so fingers crossed for a good one😅
What bulls are your best cow makers as a matter of interest?

My two favourites are an ERE out of a Tarot cow as she has size and power to her plus lovely & quiet, currently overdue as well:pac:
And a Castleview Casino out of the same Tarot cow, nice frame and good milk to her. But we've one unregistered RHF cow that's a super little breeder, only about 550/600kg but rears a 300kg+ calf each year.
That's the tarot cow here that had them and actually the ERE cow I'm on about as a calf! https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95720139&postcount=1512
Will miss her for her breeding but won't miss her for her murderous intentions at calving. :pac:

Always meant to try Sympa, heard lots about him but sure we're tipping away grand with the few we have!

Hard Knocks

Have a good CH cow, good size & will feed a calf well, tried the SI the last few years for a replacement but only got bulls. Thinking of going LM this year & always liked the look of ABI
Should I try him?

tanko

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Have a good CH cow, good size & will feed a calf well, tried the SI the last few years for a replacement but only got bulls. Thinking of going LM this year & always liked the look of ABI
Should I try him?

He’s really poor for milk going by his figures anyway, hardly a good bull for breeding replacements imo.

Hard Knocks

tanko wrote: »

He’s really poor for milk going by his figures anyway, hardly a good bull for breeding replacements imo.

Thought someone on here had said those figures don’t suit reality, just wanted to double check

FeelTheBern

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Have a good CH cow, good size & will feed a calf well, tried the SI the last few years for a replacement but only got bulls. Thinking of going LM this year & always liked the look of ABI
Should I try him?

Have a fewyearling heifers off my own sucklers that I'm trying to use as replacements. Good weights, out since Mar but no sign of the feckers bulling - putting it down to slower onset of first heat than dairy cross. Anyway (to get back to point..) planning on using LM2014 on them if/when they do come - looks like good all round option. Anyone use him before?

Mac Taylor

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Thought someone on here had said those figures don’t suit reality, just wanted to double check

That would be me, have 2 pbr cows off him, good all round cows and no problem with milk, one I bought and the other was bought in, the one I bred came from a milky cow. His stars are brutal and only going one way. Biggest concern for me are their feet which are not great.

Mac Taylor

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Have a fewyearling heifers off my own sucklers that I'm trying to use as replacements. Good weights, out since Mar but no sign of the feckers bulling - putting it down to slower onset of first heat than dairy cross. Anyway (to get back to point..) planning on using LM2014 on them if/when they do come - looks like good all round option. Anyone use him before?

Have one calf off him, no problem with gestation and easy born, was very happy with him and was growing well until he died from coccidious and melingitious :mad: will use him again.

Hard Knocks

Mac Taylor wrote: »

That would be me, have 2 pbr cows off him, good all round cows and no problem with milk, one I bought and the other was bought in, the one I bred came from a milky cow. His stars are brutal and only going one way. Biggest concern for me are their feet which are not great.

Might try him so
See he’s gone from Eurogene site & book

patsy_mccabe

Bought a PBR Limousin heifer during the week. Now normally I'd be very vigilant about breeding lines etc but it turns out his heifer is 1/16 related to the very first PBR cow I bought. 4 generations back to the same French cow.
Funny thing is she reminded me of my own cow when I saw her first.

The Real Elmer Fudd

FeelTheBern wrote: »

Have a fewyearling heifers off my own sucklers that I'm trying to use as replacements. Good weights, out since Mar but no sign of the feckers bulling - putting it down to slower onset of first heat than dairy cross. Anyway (to get back to point..) planning on using LM2014 on them if/when they do come - looks like good all round option. Anyone use him before?

Very happy with him. I’ve had a few of them. Easy calved and good quality calves. I’ve kept a few heifers by him to bull this year.