Hypocrisy in Northern Ireland - Burning Poppies??

Fratton Fred

dlofnep wrote: »

Utter hypocrisy arresting these lads. Whatever happened to free speech?

Free speech?

Is that the same free speech that 600,000 British and Commonwealth personnel died defending?

Sonics2k

dara.obriain wrote: »

the british army is a symbol of brutality and murder in this country. the poppy is a symbol of the british army. no irishman with an iota of self-respect would wear one.

Nonsense.

I wear the poppy every year for the last 14 years now to commemorate members of my family who died in that war, and they were all from here in Cork.

The poppy isn't -just- a symbol for the British Army, but mainly to remember those who died in a senseless and brutal war which killed millions of innocent people to protect others from a brutal regime.

Forget about this whole Ireland v England nonsense and show some respect for the brave men and women who died.

Border-Rat

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Free speech?

Is that the same free speech that 600,000 British and Commonwealth personnel died defending?

Go to a 'British and Commonwealth' board if you don't like it. :rolleyes:

maccored

the red poppy that is sold, is in aid of those who served britain.

getz wrote: »

poppy was first used by the romans as a offering to the deceased, also christianity used the red poppy to symbolize death and resurrection, some countries that use the poppy australia,barbados,bermuda,canada,india,mauritius,new zealand,south africa U K, northern ireland, U S A,hong kong,sri lanka,in countries like belgium its the national flower,

maccored

Sonics2k wrote: »

The poppy isn't -just- a symbol for the British Army

Im afraid it is, as the Poppy Appeal raises money for The Royal British Legion only. Granted other countries use poppies for rememberance day - but the ones sold in ireland and the UK are specifically to fund the british legion.

Border-Rat

So, we're expected to celebrate the sexual assault of innocent Iraqis, then?

maccored

buying a poppy is funding terrorists if you ask me.

Border-Rat

maccored wrote: »

buying a poppy is funding terrorists if you ask me.

I agree. Theres also some irony in the drug-war in Afghanistan and their poppy fetish.

Wile E. Coyote

Sonics2k wrote: »

The poppy isn't -just- a symbol for the British Army

Hate to burst your bubble, but yes it is. It's run by the Royal British Legion to support current and former members of the British Armed Forces, and their families.

I really wish people would look into the causes they're supporting instead of just making things up as they go along. Have your family ever received support from the British Legion for your family members that died?

Where To

maccored wrote: »

buying a poppy is funding terrorists if you ask me.

The British Legion?

Seriously? Who are they terrorising? The Womans Institute?

Sonics2k

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

Hate to burst your bubble, but yes it is. It's run by the Royal British Legion to support current and former members of the British Armed Forces, and their families.

I really wish people would look into the causes they're supporting instead of just making things up as they go along. Have your family ever received support from the British Legion for your family members that died?

I apologize, I should have emphasized my point.

Yes it is a symbol for the BRL, but it is also used as remembrance for the people who died in a brutal war. I wear the poppy because I had 3 family members who fought and died in the War, and another relative who then went to fight in WW2.

I wear it out of respect for people of both nations who died, and I'm deeply offended that anyone would question my worth as an Irishman because I wear it to honour my family and the deceased.

ardmacha

I wear it out of respect for people of both nations who died, and I'm deeply offended that anyone would question my worth as an Irishman because I wear it to honour my family and the deceased.

Whatever about "your worth as an Irishman", people are entirely justified in questioning your actions in wearing a British Army symbol in a country that has been on the receiving end of the longest campaign of the British army.

Many people find it possible to honour family members without divisive political symbols.

who the fug

Glassheart wrote: »

And on we go with another generation

Where To

ardmacha wrote: »

Whatever about "your worth as an Irishman", people are entirely justified in questioning your actions in wearing a British Army symbol in a country that has been on the receiving end of the longest campaign of the British army.

Many people find it possible to honour family members without divisive political symbols.

There is nothing 'divisive' in commemorating the dead.

ardmacha

There is nothing 'divisive' in commemorating the dead.

So if my Granddad was in the SS I can walk around with a Nazi Swastika to commemorate him and you do not think that is a problem?

And please don't reply with some nonsense about "Godwin's law" or "that's not the same" or whatever. It is the same, it is only the value you place on the parties involved that makes it different.

Wolfe Tone

who the fug wrote: »

And on we go with another generation

All you can do is laugh at them, they do have "FAP" written on their faces...

Fratton Fred

ardmacha wrote: »

So if my Granddad was in the SS I can walk around with a Nazi Swastika to commemorate him and you do not think that is a problem?

And please don't reply with some nonsense about "Godwin's law" or "that's not the same" or whatever. It is the same, it is only the value you place on the parties involved that makes it different.

Completely pointless and way off the mark analogy tbh.

Border-Rat

God thems two mingers is thon pic.

Fratton Fred

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

All you can do is laugh at them, they do have "FAP" written on their faces...

What does FAP mean? I only know it an After Hours sense.

who the fug

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

All you can do is laugh at them, they do have "FAP" written on their faces...

After 40 odd years I think laughing at them is best thing to do, you can't take these people seriously

Where To

Fratton Fred wrote: »

What does FAP mean? I only know it an After Hours sense.

'Feck All Papists/Paramilitaries' according to your viewpoint

Fr Tod Umptious

who the fug wrote: »

After 40 odd years I think laughing at them is best thing to do, you can't take these people seriously

Can you take this guy seriously?

Where To

ardmacha wrote: »

So if my Granddad was in the SS I can walk around with a Nazi Swastika to commemorate him and you do not think that is a problem?

And please don't reply with some nonsense about "Godwin's law" or "that's not the same" or whatever. It is the same, it is only the value you place on the parties involved that makes it different.

If your grandad was in the SS you could lay a wreath in his memory on Volkstraeurtag. Nothing 'divisive' in that either.

who the fug

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Can you take this guy seriously?

No, should I

Wolfe Tone

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Can you take this guy seriously?

Some lad at a football match? He doesn't have "kill all prods" or something written on his face, hardly the same.

Fr Tod Umptious

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Some lad at a football match? He doesn't have "kill all prods" or something written on his face, hardly the same.

Until someone explains definitively what the term 'FAP' refers to then the pic of the two girls has no context.

It could be a pic of two heavy set girls (Fat and Proud) going to a tea party in Somerset to eat cream cakes.

Noffles

Border-Rat wrote: »

Go to a 'British and Commonwealth' board if you don't like it. :rolleyes:

I hear this quite a lot on various different threads here... if this is a Irish viewpoint only board then, if so I wish it would say so!

Wolfe Tone

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Until someone explains definitively what the term 'FAP' refers to then the pic of the two girls has no context.

It could be a pic of two heavy set girls (Fat and Proud) going to a tea party in Somerset to eat cream cakes.

KAT stands for 'Kill all Taigs' (Catholics/Irish people in general) and FAP stands for 'Fuck all Papists'.

Thats what those two girls have written on their faces, charming people no doubt.

ardmacha

If your grandad was in the SS you could lay a wreath in his memory on Volkstraeurtag. Nothing 'divisive' in that either.

My point exactly. You can commemorate the dead in a non contentious way or you can make big public display of doing so, which is more about you stirring things than about them.



I doubt if this guy takes himself seriously. I doubt if he is at a commemoration for the dead, more likely at a football match/St Patrick's day parade or the like.

Fratton Fred

Glassheart wrote: »

That shows how stupid these people are.

If only they knew the price of a second hand pallet these days............

Leftist

ardmacha wrote: »

So if my Granddad was in the SS I can walk around with a Nazi Swastika to commemorate him and you do not think that is a problem?

And please don't reply with some nonsense about "Godwin's law" or "that's not the same" or whatever. It is the same, it is only the value you place on the parties involved that makes it different.

I'm sorry what? it is the same? The SS and Nazis are the same as British soldiers?

No, no, no. not in any possible way on any planet are they anywhere near the same. What an astonishing, typically republican delusional statement.

Read up on the Nazis pal, the SS and the final solution.

Rubber bullets, bloody sunday, internment, all a drop in the ocean of the behaviour of the nazis.

Statements like that are desperately embarrassing for irish people.

Where To

ardmacha wrote: »

My point exactly. You can commemorate the dead in a non contentious way or you can make big public display of doing so, which is more about you stirring things than about them.

Again, there is nothing contentious about remembering the dead. It takes a small-minded individual to take umbrage at a flower.

Alopex

junder wrote: »

I would agree, it also say quite alot about the intelligence of people when they post pictures of themselves involved in illegal / offensive acts. Moreover the problem with burning flags on bonfires (be they 12th bonfires or internment bonfires) is apportioning blame to a person or persons responsable for putting the flags there in the first place, unless of course they were to do something stupid like, I don't know, putting photographs of themselves putting the flags up on bonfires, on, say, Facebook. Then there's not much the Police can do.
There was a bonfire this 12th round my way that did have the usual tricolours and gaa tops on it that got burnt to the ground on the 11th morning by ones from the falls rd. Now I hazard a guess but the chances are the ones responsable were from nationalist / republican backgrounds, if this was the case, did they remove the tricolours etc before they burnt the bonfire or did they just chuck a petrol bomb and burn thier own flag along with it.

when they see irish or union flags on the bonfires they could remove them if they want to be consistant.

lets be honest. they wont do that because they know there'd be riots. So the message is "bonfire thug = work away/ facebook clown = get in the dock"

but we all know the bonfire burnings are much more serious in a number of ways

police could of just told the kids to not be so stupid and left it at that

imagine the police called to your door saying your kids being arrested because there's a photo of him burning an easter lily? would you not feel telling him off for being stupid would be a much more sensible option

Glassheart

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Until someone explains definitively what the term 'FAP' refers to then the pic of the two girls has no context.

It could be a pic of two heavy set girls (Fat and Proud) going to a tea party in Somerset to eat cream cakes.

FAP - F**k All Papists
KAT - Kill All Taigs

There is no wiggle room or ambiguity about it.

I have no problem with Unionism but Loyalism (and all that goes with it) is a mental disorder and a complete misreprestentation of 'Britishness'.If i was English or Welsh i would be embarrassed by them.

KeithAFC

Glassheart wrote: »

For the same reason these lads got arrested.A supposed incitement to hatred.
If the PSNI intend on pursuing this with any consistency then i can only imagine the N.I. courts will be very busy next July during super-prod season:

There is bigger ones than that one. Had some huge ones on the night before the 12th.

junder

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

KAT stands for 'Kill all Taigs' (Catholics/Irish people in general) and FAP stands for 'Fuck all Papists'.

Thats what those two girls have written on their faces, charming people no doubt.

and KAH stands fot kill all huns, moreover FAP around were i live generlly stands for **** ALL PARAMILTARYS and along side UTH (UP THE HOODS) and is something i have seen up on the walls of both sides of the divide. Have never seen FAP in the context of **** ALL PAPISTS, in fact papists is not reallt lanaguge loyalist teenagers would use as those of a sectraian nature would stick with the term Taig. I Have seen FTP (**** THE POPE) I have also seen FTQ (**** THE QUEEN) i have even seen FTW (FREE THE WEED) which is another cross community slogan

Glassheart

KeithAFC wrote: »

There is bigger ones than that one. Had some huge ones on the night before the 12th.

Lol Keith.:pac:
I do enjoy this "aww shucks" veneer that you try to present on this website.

Just incase you actually are a bit slow off the mark,i posted that pic because of what is written on the flag and not because i thought the size of the bonfire is noteworthy.

who the fug

junder wrote: »

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

KAT stands for 'Kill all Taigs' (Catholics/Irish people in general) and FAP stands for 'Fuck all Papists'.

Thats what those two girls have written on their faces, charming people no doubt.

and KAH stands fot kill all huns, moreover FAP around were i live generlly stands for **** ALL PARAMILTARYS and along side UTH (UP THE HOODS) and is something i have seen up on the walls of both sides of the divide. Have never seen FAP in the context of **** ALL PAPISTS, in fact papists is not reallt lanaguge loyalist teenagers would use as those of a sectraian nature would stick with the term Taig. I Have seen FTP (**** THE POPE) I have also seen FTQ (**** THE QUEEN) i have even seen FTW (FREE THE WEED) which is another cross community slogan

Love the idea of a bunch of stoners bringing sense to NI

junder

Glassheart wrote: »

KeithAFC wrote: »

There is bigger ones than that one. Had some huge ones on the night before the 12th.

Lol Keith.:pac:
I do enjoy this "aww shucks" veneer that you try to present on this website.

Just incase you actually are a bit slow off the mark,i posted that pic because of what is written on the flag and not because i thought the size of the bonfire is noteworthy.

Do you have any proof of the persons or persons mounting that flag on that bonfire, say for example a photograph from Facebook of the perpetrator / perpetrators actully mounting that flag on that bonfire?

LordSutch

votecounts wrote: »

Proper Irish people would never wear a poppie, never mind fighting for a foreign army that is responsible for the murder of numerous inncocent Irish people. Burn them away, end of.

What a childish & ill informed comment :rolleyes:

Wolfe Tone

junder wrote: »

Do you have any proof of the persons or persons mounting that flag on that bonfire, say for example a photograph from Facebook of the perpetrator / perpetrators actully mounting that flag on that bonfire?

Do you think that whoever lights the bonfire should be prosecuted?

Glassheart

junder wrote: »

moreover FAP around were i live generlly stands for **** ALL PARAMILTARYS

The only trouble with this is that the people you run around with actually support Loyalist paramilitaries so that can't be true.

junder wrote: »

Have never seen FAP in the context of **** ALL PAPISTS, in fact papists is not reallt lanaguge loyalist teenagers would use as those of a sectraian nature would stick with the term Taig.

Nice attempt at damage control.

junder wrote: »

I Have seen FTP (**** THE POPE)

No sh*t,it's not exactly Bigfoot is it?
FTP WATP is usually what Loyalists sign off with at the end of their stupid,incoherent rants they poison various internet forums with.

Glassheart

junder wrote: »

Do you have any proof of the persons or persons mounting that flag on that bonfire, say for example a photograph from Facebook of the perpetrator / perpetrators actully mounting that flag on that bonfire?

You really think it's photoshopped?

junder

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

junder wrote: »

Do you have any proof of the persons or persons mounting that flag on that bonfire, say for example a photograph from Facebook of the perpetrator / perpetrators actully mounting that flag on that bonfire?

Do you think that whoever lights the bonfire should be prosecuted?

And who is that exactly?

junder

Glassheart wrote: »

junder wrote: »

moreover FAP around were i live generlly stands for **** ALL PARAMILTARYS

The only trouble with this is that the people you run around with actually support Loyalist paramilitaries so that can't be true.

junder wrote: »

Have never seen FAP in the context of **** ALL PAPISTS, in fact papists is not reallt lanaguge loyalist teenagers would use as those of a sectraian nature would stick with the term Taig.

Nice attempt at damage control.

junder wrote: »

I Have seen FTP (**** THE POPE)

No sh*t,it's not exactly Bigfoot is it?
FTP WATP is usually what Loyalists sign off with at the end of their stupid,incoherent rants they poison various internet forums with.

A little to old to 'run around' as such, moreover do you know my friends personnly?

junder

Glassheart wrote: »

junder wrote: »

Do you have any proof of the persons or persons mounting that flag on that bonfire, say for example a photograph from Facebook of the perpetrator / perpetrators actully mounting that flag on that bonfire?

You really think it's photoshopped?

No I believe that is a genuine flag on a genuine bonfire, have no clue who actully put it there though, do you?

LordSutch

I think the burning of the Irish Tricolur is ignorant, stupid, hateful & divisive. I also think the burning of the poppy is just as ignorant, stupid, hateful & devisive.

Glassheart

junder wrote: »

A little to old to 'run around' as such, moreover do you know my friends personnly?

Don't know them personally (thank god) but they've made their opinions very clear over on Pulse.

Glassheart

junder wrote: »

No I believe that is a genuine flag on a genuine bonfire, have no clue who actully put it there though, do you?

Eh no.
Why do you ask?!!

junder

Glassheart wrote: »

junder wrote: »

No I believe that is a genuine flag on a genuine bonfire, have no clue who actully put it there though, do you?

Eh no.
Why do you ask?!!

Because law in this country is based on evidence and without evidence such as photographs on Facebook of some numpty involved in a criminal endeavour, then it's alittle hard for the Police to prosecute. These poppy burning numptys were stupid enought to photograph themselves ie provided proof of themselves involved in a crimnal activity. Personnly speaking I am surprised to it's gone this far since burning of symbols is the norm in northern ireland. Personnly I take the more pragmatic approach and not get excited by the internment bonfires covered from top to bottem in union flags