Gibraltar - British or Spanish?

RobitTV

Gibraltar is a British overseas territory located on the southern end of the Iberian Peninsula at the entrance of the Mediterranean. A peninsula with an area of 6.843 square kilometres (2.642 sq mi), it has a northern border with Andalusia, Spain. The Rock of Gibraltar is the major landmark of the region. At its foot is the densely populated city area, home to almost 30,000 Gibraltarians and other nationalities.

In a 1967 referendum on sovereignty organised by the British Government, 99.6% of voters voted to remain under British sovereignty.

In a second referendum on sovereignty held in November 2002 by the Government of Gibraltar, 187 voted yes (1%) and 17,900 voted no (99%) on the proposal of sharing sovereignty with Spain.

In your opinion British or spanish?

dulpit

British.

Self-determination ftw.

Dotrel

Gibberish

Gingko

Spanish

Saila

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Captain Darling

Is it an African or a European swallow?

Super-Rush

Captain Darling wrote: »

Is it an African or a European swallow?

That depends on how many coconuts are being carried.

Dimithy

You seem to have a strange fascination with british islands located off the coast of other countries.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

RobitTV wrote: »

In your opinion British or spanish?

It's Brittish. Doesn't really matter what I think.

KeithAFC

I would say British. A great place.

Captain Darling

super-rush wrote: »

That depends on how many coconuts are being carried.

Prepare the Holy Hand Grenade.

psychward

Spanish but they probably don't deserve to get it back. All Franco or whoever had to do was shell it relentlessly for as long as it takes from the mainland where supplies of ammo would be plentiful.

Where To

Are Ceuta and Melilla Spanish or Moroccan?

Gingko

KeithAFC wrote: »

I would say British. A great place.

The area itself is nice yes, but the culture is not, tacky. I don't personally want fish and chips in spain nor do I want Tudor style pubs. Nor do the Spanish! Awful! Prefer Tarifa myself down the road. Still got an old medina too.

R P McMurphy

KeithAFC wrote: »

I would say British. A great place.

It is a pretty horrible place as is the Spanish town on its border

old hippy

KeithAFC wrote: »

I would say British. A great place.

Really? The ex was over there last year and said it was like some giant sink estate, except the sun was shining...

KeithAFC

R P McMurphy wrote: »

It is a pretty horrible place as is the Spanish town on its border

It is a great place. Some great views and a very interesting history.

Gingko

R P McMurphy wrote: »

It is a pretty horrible place as is the Spanish town on its border

Algeciras is horrible too si!

ejmaztec

Spanglish.

I own it. The rest of you can bugger off.

Gingko

ejmaztec wrote: »

Spanglish.

Some truth in that for sure!!

Sunnyisland

R P McMurphy wrote: »

It is a pretty horrible place as is the Spanish town on its border

La linia, full of smugglers

ejmaztec

It was named after one of the Moops, so they should have it.

Gannicus

Captain Darling wrote: »

Is it an African or a European swallow?

I thought only me ex did that.... :pac:

R P McMurphy

KeithAFC wrote: »

R P McMurphy wrote: »

It is a pretty horrible place as is the Spanish town on its border

It is a great place. Some great views and a very interesting history.

You have views alright as has very steep sites where they plant buildings onto the sides of the rock but the views are of dirty cheap looking streets.

R P McMurphy

realies wrote: »

R P McMurphy wrote: »

It is a pretty horrible place as is the Spanish town on its border

La linia, full of smugglers

I don't think they ever collect the rubbish there

KeithAFC

R P McMurphy wrote: »

You have views alright as has very steep sites where they plant buildings onto the sides of the rock but the views are of dirty cheap looking streets.

So are many tourist attractions though. Like the pyramids. Not as wonderful and clean as people think. Rubbish all over the place.

soterpisc

YAWN................slow day in boards.ie when a Poll in Gibraltar appears on boards.ie Seems like the Sinn Fein mcGuiness Campaign team have time on their hands now!.

mattjack

And it has its own apes .... hows that for an asset ?

mattjack

Though I wonder are they Spanish or British apes ?

Sunnyisland

And a road that goes through a runway .

laoch na mona

geographically spanish but if they want to be british let them

Sunnyisland

mattjack wrote: »

Though I wonder are they Spanish or British apes ?

Maybe spaish :)

laoch na mona

soterpisc wrote: »

YAWN................slow day in boards.ie when a Poll in Gibraltar appears on boards.ie Seems like the Sinn Fein mcGuiness Campaign team have time on their hands now!.

less of that sot of thing:pac:

nice_very

where do i go from here wrote: »

Are Ceuta and Melilla Spanish or Moroccan?

Spanish run Moroccan territory, the only reason that would convince me to think about leaving things the way they are.. Imagine Spain having total control over access to the Med sea, bad idea with the PP on the way back to power.

Jimoslimos

Is there free movement of peoples between Spain and Gibraltar as there is with Spain and the UK (and all other EU states)? If so what's stopping a few hundred thousand Spainards flooding the border.

If not they can't truly call themselves British since they're not subject to the same immigration and border control laws. A la carte Britishness methinks.

mike65

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKjudF68hxc

R P McMurphy

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Is there free movement of peoples between Spain and Gibraltar as there is with Spain and the UK (and all other EU states)? If so what's stopping a few hundred thousand Spainards flooding the border.

If not they can't truly call themselves British since they're not subject to the same immigration and border control laws. A la carte Britishness methinks.

You need your passport to enter, customs are pretty strict there as well

LordSutch

Gibraltar is as British as Brighton rock, and it will remain British until the majority of people living there wish otherwise.

lorrim

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Is there free movement of peoples between Spain and Gibraltar as there is with Spain and the UK (and all other EU states)? If so what's stopping a few hundred thousand Spainards flooding the border.

If not they can't truly call themselves British since they're not subject to the same immigration and border control laws. A la carte Britishness methinks.

There is border control with passport checks by both spanish and gibraltarian police.

I work in gib, live in la linea- it ain't as bad as previous posts are making out.

La Linea doesn't have the social problems it had in the past, the new mayor is making a good attempt to solve the disasters left by the previous idiot

mike65

The border has been open since 1985

mattjack

lorrim wrote: »

There is border control with passport checks by both spanish and gibraltarian police.

I work in gib, live in la linea- it ain't as bad as previous posts are making out.

La Linea doesn't have the social problems it had in the past, the new mayor is making a good attempt to solve the disasters left by the previous idiot

Now you just ruined a perfectly good thread, by telling the truth.

Jimoslimos

LordSutch wrote: »

Gibraltar is as British as Brighton rock, and it will remain British until the majority of people living there wish otherwise.

It's British because thousands of people from the UK settled there - if thousands of people from Spain decided to upsticks and move there why shouldn't it be Spanish. My question is why shouldn't they have that right since many British people have no restictions on settling in Spain?

R P McMurphy

lorrim wrote: »

There is border control with passport checks by both spanish and gibraltarian police.

I work in gib, live in la linea- it ain't as bad as previous posts are making out.

La Linea doesn't have the social problems it had in the past, the new mayor is making a good attempt to solve the disasters left by the previous idiot

It must have cleaned up a lot in the last two years then because it was a pretty horrific place

Sunnyisland

I have been there many a time and when crossing back into mainland spain it was always spanish police/customs who were holding people up with there checks and not a smile out of any of them,This was back in the early 90,s maybe it has changed ?

Tiocfaidh Armani

So a load of Spaniards come and settle of an island off England and claim it as Spanish? No they can't, so a bit like the Falklands, only the Brits who would so arrogant to claim little pieces thousands of miles from their shore as their own.

mike65

Jimoslimos wrote: »

It's British because thousands of people from the UK settled there - if thousands of people from Spain decided to upsticks and move there why shouldn't it be Spanish. My question is why shouldn't they have that right since many British people have no restictions on settling in Spain?

How do you know they haven't got the right? What makes you think that the average Spaniard is just dying to cross the border and buy a flat?

dfx-

It can be whatever it wants...but whatever it is, it was a very stange place when I went there about 10 years ago.

Jimoslimos

mike65 wrote: »

How do you know they haven't got the right? What makes you think that the average Spaniard is just dying to cross the border and buy a flat?

I assume there is no great interest from mainland Spainards to live there, but on the other hand there isn't a great interest from mainland Brits to relocate also. I certainly don't see the people as 'Spanish' but they're about as British as say the Australians are - just the Aussies are a little more comfortable about moving away from the idea of being a colonial outpost.

LordSutch

Jimoslimos wrote: »

It's British because thousands of people from the UK settled there - if thousands of people from Spain decided to upsticks and move there why shouldn't it be Spanish. My question is why shouldn't they have that right since many British people have no restictions on settling in Spain?

Well as you should know, this has all been bashed out over centuries, with the Spanish, Portuguese, British/Irish, French & Dutch carving up underdeveloped countries all over the Globe! take the Canaries (Spanish) for example which lay off the coast of Morocco, or the Dutch East Indies, or the Falkland islands, The Philippines (former Spanish colony), Angola in Africa was a Portuguise colony until 1975. What about French Guiana?

There are so many examples all over the globe.

charlemont

British. All the people who live there are happy with the status quo.