Gibraltar - British or Spanish?

gurramok

Spanish, stolen from Spain. Resettled with the help of like minded British people to keep it British. Sounds familiar like NI.

Sunnyisland

LordSutch wrote: »

Well as you should know, this has all been bashed out over centuries, with the Spanish, Portuguese, British/Irish, French & Dutch carving up underdeveloped countries all over the Globe! take the Canaries (Spanish) for example which lay off the coast of Morocco, or the Dutch East Indies, or the Falkland islands, The Philippines (former Spanish colony), Angola in Africa was a Portuguise colony until 1975. What about French Guiana?

There are so many examples all over the globe.

When did Ireland or Irish carv up the world ?

mike65

Jimoslimos wrote: »

I assume there is no great interest from mainland Spainards to live there, but on the other hand there isn't a great interest from mainland Brits to relocate also. I certainly don't see the people as 'Spanish' but they're about as British as say the Australians are - just the Aussies are a little more comfortable about moving away from the idea of being a colonial outpost.

That's fair enough - they are Gilbratarian. The ethnic make up of the population is interesting. 27% names British, 20% name Italian, 10% names Portuguese, French, Indian, Jews, Maltese, Andalusian Spanish (the de-facto language)

Jimoslimos

LordSutch wrote: »

Well as you should know, this has all been bashed out over centuries, with the Spanish, Portuguese, British/Irish, French & Dutch carving up underdeveloped countries all over the Globe! take the Canaries (Spanish) for example which lay off the coast of Morocco, or the Dutch East Indies, or the Falkland islands, The Philippines (former Spanish colony), Angola in Africa was a Portuguise colony until 1975. What about French Guiana?

There are so many examples all over the globe.

Indeed, one of the defining factors of the ones that remain are that they are all very small in size/population - thereby requiring a protectorate state for survival. Calling themselves 'British' is only a way of asserting that they're not Spanish - to me they're no more British than Americans (US), Canadians, Aussies or Kiwis.

Fratton Fred

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

So a load of Spaniards come and settle of an island off England and claim it as Spanish? No they can't, so a bit like the Falklands, only the Brits who would so arrogant to claim little pieces thousands of miles from their shore as their own.

Yeah, cause the Spanish, French, Dutch and Portuguese would never do that would they?

pragmatic1

Its Spanish.

mike65

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Indeed, one of the defining factors of the ones that remain are that they are all very small in size/population - thereby requiring a protectorate state for survival. Calling themselves 'British' is only a way of asserting that they're not Spanish - to me they're no more British than Americans (US), Canadians, Aussies or Kiwis.

They are what they think they are, like Norn Iron Unionists.

WolfForager

50% of the poll for Spanish. Sometimes this country annoys me.

Fratton Fred

This vote will be predictable.

All the usual Brit haters will vote Spanish (you could put outer mongolian or British and they would vote outer mongolian tbh) and everyone else will vote British.

Sunnyisland

WolfForager wrote: »

50% of the poll for Spanish. Sometimes this country annoys me.

Explain please, just asking

sensibleken

It belongs to the monkeys

WolfForager

realies wrote: »

Explain please, just asking

Logical answer is British, as the OP proves (the two surveys). So the answer should be British, however the Brit haters of the country must have their say no matter what.

gurramok

Fratton Fred wrote: »

This vote will be predictable.

All the usual Brit haters will vote Spanish (you could put outer mongolian or British and they would vote outer mongolian tbh) and everyone else will vote British.

This vote will be predictable.

All the usual Brit lovers will vote British (you could put outer mongolian or British and they would not vote outer mongolian tbh) and everyone else will vote Spanish.

Generalisations on people who disagree with you are great!:rolleyes:

vektarman

Fratton Fred wrote: »

This vote will be predictable.

All the usual Brit haters will vote Spanish (you could put outer mongolian or British and they would vote outer mongolian tbh) and everyone else will vote British.

Of course it's Outer Mongolian (just kidding, I voted British):)

Sunnyisland

WolfForager wrote: »

Logical answer is British, as the OP proves (the two surveys). So the answer should be British, however the Brit haters of the country must have their say no matter what.

Maybe some other posters have read this and did not find the logical answer logical ?

The territorial claim was formally reasserted by the Spanish dictator Francisco Franco in the 1960s and has been continued by successive Spanish governments. They have insisted that the Gibraltar dispute is a purely bilateral matter and that the current Gibraltarians are mere settlers whose role and will are irrelevant. This principle appears to have been reflected in the United Nations resolutions on the decolonisation of Gibraltar in the 1960s, which focused on the "interests" and not the "wishes" of the Gibraltarians.

vektarman

Dimithy wrote: »

You seem to have a strange fascination with british islands located off the coast of other countries.

psychward wrote: »

Spanish but they probably don't deserve to get it back. All Franco or whoever had to do was shell it relentlessly for as long as it takes from the mainland where supplies of ammo would be plentiful.

realies wrote: »

I have been there many a time and when crossing back into mainland spain it was always spanish police/customs who were holding people up with there checks and not a smile out of any of them,This was back in the early 90,s maybe it has changed ?

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

So a load of Spaniards come and settle of an island off England and claim it as Spanish? No they can't, so a bit like the Falklands, only the Brits who would so arrogant to claim little pieces thousands of miles from their shore as their own.

Jimoslimos wrote: »

I assume there is no great interest from mainland Spainards to live there, but on the other hand there isn't a great interest from mainland Brits to relocate also. I certainly don't see the people as 'Spanish' but they're about as British as say the Australians are - just the Aussies are a little more comfortable about moving away from the idea of being a colonial outpost.

So Gibraltar is an island??

K-9

Should make it Spanish and then add Portugal in, makes far more sense!

darragh16

Its Irish... obviously!

Tiocfaidh Armani

vektarman wrote: »

So Gibraltar is an island??

No and I never said it was. It's apart of the mainland right down the bottom of Spain nearly touching Africa.

My question was can a load of Spaniards jump in a boat settle into an island and claim it as Spain because then a majority there want to be Spanish and not British. I asked a question, I never said Gibraltar was an island, learn to read before you try and be a smartass.

Jimoslimos

vektarman wrote: »

So Gibraltar is an island??

OK smart arse, island is an easier term to write/roll off the tongue than penninsula. But yes, technically correct - the best kind of correct!

Where To

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

No and I never said it was. It's apart of the mainland right down the bottom of Spain nearly touching Africa.

My question was can a load of Spaniards jump in a boat settle into an island and claim it as Spain because then a majority there want to be Spanish and not British. I asked a question, I never said Gibraltar was an island, learn to read before you try and be a smartass.

I'm not sure but I think I read somewhere that they have actually tried this in the past . . . .


Pretty successful too :pac:

psychward

vektarman wrote: »

So Gibraltar is an island??

I meant the main part of Spain . Gibraltar is a political island.

Anyway I've been there so I know it's a peninsula. I got off a bus from Malaga wearing my Dubs jersey circa 2002. Apart from a few apes and some caves there wasn't much else to see. I walked into some auction where wheeler dealers were selling cheap crap and one of them with a wideboy cockney accent said racist stuff about Ireland on his microphone based upon my jersey. Not a nice place.

Fratton Fred

where do i go from here wrote: »

I'm not sure but I think I read somewhere that they have actually tried this in the past . . . .


Pretty successful too :pac:

They initially tried it in 1588 and ended up coming second.

LordSutch

realies wrote: »

When did Ireland or Irish carv up the world ?

The British Empire was won by the Irish, administered by the Scots & Welsh, and lost by the English.

losthorizon

mattjack wrote: »

Though I wonder are they Spanish or British apes ?

They are alcoholics... true! And thieves.. also true!

Where To

Fratton Fred wrote: »

They initially tried it in 1588 and ended up coming second.

I was referring to the conquistadors.

HavingCrack

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

So a load of Spaniards come and settle of an island off England and claim it as Spanish? No they can't, so a bit like the Falklands, only the Brits who would so arrogant to claim little pieces thousands of miles from their shore as their own.

FFS, out of all examples you had to bring into it the Falklands is most definately British. Argentina has no claim over it whatsoever, Argentina didn't even exist when the islands were first settled.

Ah yes and all those French/German/Belgian/Italian/American/Portugese/Dutch/Swedish/Greek/Turkish/Russian colonies are irrelevant yeah?

raymann

HavingCrack wrote: »

FFS, out of all examples you had to bring into it the Falklands is most definately British. Argentina has no claim over it whatsoever, Argentina didn't even exist when the islands were first settled.

Ah yes and all those French/German/Belgian/Italian/American/Portugese/Dutch/Swedish/Greek/Turkish/Russian colonies are irrelevant yeah?

the spanish have two examples themselves just a few miles away in morocco. i think the people there know what they want.

losthorizon

raymann wrote: »

the spanish have two examples themselves just a few miles away in morocco. i think the people there know what they want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9uM8Lwa3XE

Kiera

Its British. Loved the little ice-cream robbing monkeys on it

questionmark?

Isnt there a main road right through the runway of the airport where the lights go red when a plane is landing!


Sounds like Fianna fail planning right there!

gurramok

That Cueta place is amazing, why are they all wearing winter gear in North Africa?

Kiera

questionmark? wrote: »

Isnt there a main road right through the runway of the airport where the lights go red when a plane is landing!


Sounds like Fianna fail planning right there!

Yup you have to drive over the runway to get to it. Its pretty cool up on top of the rock. Great view.

tiger55

dulpit wrote: »

British.

Self-determination ftw.

Indeed, about 97% of the people want to remain part of the UK.

tiger55

questionmark? wrote: »

Isnt there a main road right through the runway of the airport where the lights go red when a plane is landing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDxUbv0YOfg

westendgirlie

Cyprus - Turkish or Greek?

tiger55

raymann wrote: »

the spanish have two examples themselves just a few miles away in morocco. i think the people there know what they want.

True indeed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melilla

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta

Ceuta is right opposite to Gibraltar.

tiger55

westendgirlie wrote: »

Cyprus - Turkish or Greek?

Dublin - Irish or Viking?

westendgirlie

tiger55 wrote: »

Dublin - Irish or Viking?

Ice Cream - Ben or Jerrys?

tiger55

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

So a load of Spaniards come and settle of an island off England and claim it as Spanish? No they can't, so a bit like the Falklands, only the Brits who would so arrogant to claim little pieces thousands of miles from their shore as their own.

The Falklands were empty when the UK discovered them...

SEPT 23 1989

Its British and always will be

Thomas828

It's British, just as Rockall is Irish.

Alopex

what do they speak there? not using that as an argument either way just curious

tiger55

Alopex wrote: »

what do they speak there? not using that as an argument either way just curious

I was there a few years back, they speak English and Spanish.

There was a nice pub up the hill that was all painted in Newcastle FC colours. Some Irish pubs there also.

BanzaiBk

The tours of the rock itself are pretty interesting tbf, especially the caves. It's very 'british' on the outside (i.e. local cultures, etc) but idk it's quite unique in itself. Really wouldn't consider it Spanish at all tho', nowadays at least.

Son Of A Vidic

Gibraltar was a spoils of war territorial land grab, which became a strategic base for The Royal Navy. So considering it is land seized from Spain, as far as I'm concerned it belongs to Spain.

Sunnyisland

LordSutch wrote: »

The British Empire was won by the Irish, administered by the Scots & Welsh, and lost by the English.

Bit of topic

The British Empire, like a lot of successful empires such as the Ottoman and Roman ones, had a multi-ethnic aspect to it. There were people from modern-day Greece, Algeria and Iraq in Ottoman forces, but no-one would seriously suggest those people had any real responsibility for the crimes of the Ottomans.

The presence of Irish (or indeed Nepalese) troops doesnt detract from the fact the Empire were run for the benefit of the British, in particular the English ruling class (which isnt to deny the Irish got some benefit)

tiger55

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Gibraltar was a spoils of war territorial land grab, which became a strategic base for The Royal Navy. So considering it is land seized from Spain, as far as I'm concerned it belongs to Spain.

Maybe America should give the land back to the Indians and deport the Irish Americans?:P

V Eight

Gibraltar is British but the next owners will probably be Chinese once they buy up all the European debts.

nocal

The local legend states that as long as the monkeys remain on the rock then Gib willl be British - bizarrely enough the monkeys are let out for the tourists and then locked back in cages. I think they have an easy life and are the real overlords of the rock. I welcome them in this role.