E-Readers, do you have one?

The Jammy dodger

How many of you have these E-Readers? I was gonna get one for my wife as she is mad into reading books and taking up space in my house with them.

I thought this E-reader would be a good idea to reduce that and at the same time serve as a lovely present that I'll get weeks of peace out of.

So...Are they worth the money? easy to use? Easy to download books on?

Jam

ShamoBuc

No time for books, boards.ie only!!

Fago!

Books. The boring version of TV.

Professey Chin

Love my Kindle. Saved my ass from extreme boredom in airports & when travelling a lot

Einhard

No! I hate this whole progress thing!! Bring back the Luddites I say. Burn em all!

Einhard

Fago! wrote: »

Books. The boring version of TV.

:eek:

Take that back sir!!

W.Shakes-Beer

cant beat an old book, and the smell of the pages...

yes i sniff books

strobe

Every time I've done a search for the e-books I would buy only a small fraction of them exist, and it's not even like I have particularly eclectic tastes. So no, would be a bit of a waste of money in my case. One of the adds for Kindle makes a big deal out of the tag line "now with 2,000,000 available books"... that's nothing to brag about, there are trillions of books.

Mr Benevolent

It's silly buying a Kindle or whatever when most phones have book reader apps. Phones do everything nowadays. Why carry extra shit around?

Colonel Panic

Easier to read e-ink on a Kindle compared to an iPad.

megaten

Yup. I love it. I can still read young adult trash that I'm too embarrassed to buy in shops anymore.

Overheal

They are great for old people. Anyone with sense would rather a tablet. Kindle Fire is supposed to be alright but I have not seen any concrete specs or reviews on them yet, so as far as I'm concerned, the Fire is pure hype. Anything that pretends to be the next iPad Killer for less than half the same price needs to be seen to be believed.

For actual reading black and white e-ink readers are best.

If you like color the Nook Color or Kindle Fire, fine. For something more pocketable theres the Samsung Galaxy Media Player or the iPod touch as rival devices; the Acer 7" Iconia and the 8" Samsung Galaxy Tab. Then you get into the actual tablets and thats a very big field of contention but iPad is still the market leader.

For a black and white though the Kindle with 3G is the best option.

LumpyGravy

Confab wrote: »

It's silly buying a Kindle or whatever when most phones have book reader apps. Phones do everything nowadays. Why carry extra shit around?

The kindle has a battery life of up to 4 weeks and some have free 3g almost anywhere in the world.

Battery on smart phones last two days tops with huge roaming charges.

Yakult

Buying one for myself and the mother as she read's all the time. She isnt mad into technology so I hope it clicks with her!

Lady von Purple

I have a Reader- it was a Christmas present. I don't want to sound ungrateful, it has its benefits and all, but I just like actual books a lot better. I like being able to physically turn the page instead of pressing the 'page' button. Maybe I'm too much of a traditionalist- These Readers and Kindles have many many benefits but speaking as someone who loves having a full bookshelf (and books strewn randomly around the apartment too) I just don't like this newfangled space-saving technology. /Rant.

Einhard

Bah humbug. :mad:

flahavaj

Will be getting one of these from the Missus for Christmas.

I think the Kindle with 3G looks the best for what it offers. Tesco, Currys and PC World have them now as well so no need to get stung on shipping and tax froim the US.

Iang87

nope. pretty much the end of that

bryaner

flahavaj wrote: »

Will be getting one of these from the Missus for Christmas.

I think the Kindle with 3G looks the best for what it offers. Tesco, Currys and PC World have them now as well so no need to get stung on shipping and tax froim the US.

Save your money and don't bother with the 3G one..

pmcb

I got one for my birthday. I can now purchase an eBook that i'd like and download it immediately. eBooks take up less space.They don't use up trees! Much more portable on holiday, for example if you want to read on the beach, you can read any book that you fancy. They really are a great piece of technology and the screen is like reading from a normal book. Highly recommended.

Eve_Dublin

Nope. And I've made a huge song and dance about not getting one in front of family and friends so I have to stick to my guns :mad:

I was a trainee librarian for a year and a half and was supposed to do a Masters in Dublin to qualify (yes...qualified Librarians have Masters degrees...it's not just about stamping books and looking cross/sexy and saying shhh in a cranky/sexy way to users you know!) but changed my mind at the last minute, so I'd be a massive supporter of public libraries and I'd hate to see libraries as we know them disappear. Thing is, I've been suspended from my local library here for another week for bringing a book back late and books in English are ridiculously expensive here, so one would probably come in handy...

I'll try and not succumb for as long as I can. I like books and don't fancy staring at a screen to read but I'm not looking forward to the stage where reading paper books becomes pretentious and hipster-like...like people who insist on listening to music only on record.

Damn technology making even the most simplest choice some kind of statement!

nibtrix

I've had an ereader for the last eight years or so - as in I had a palm handheld computer that I could read books on. About two years ago I got an Astak EZreader, as it's open format, so there was no crap about only being able to download books from certain sites. If I was starting from scratch I'd probably get a kindle but until I can convert the 500+ ebooks I have now I won't switch.

The Jammy dodger

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

Nope. And I've made a huge song and dance about not getting one in front of family and friends so I have to stick to my guns :mad:

I was a trainee librarian for a year and a half and was supposed to do a Masters in Dublin to qualify (yes...qualified Librarians have Masters degrees...it's not just about stamping books and looking cross/sexy and saying shhh in a cranky/sexy way to users you know!) but changed my mind at the last minute, so I'd be a massive supporter of public libraries and I'd hate to see libraries as we know them disappear. Thing is, I've been suspended from my local library here for another week for bringing a book back late and books in English are ridiculously expensive here, so one would probably come in handy...

I'll try and not succumb for as long as I can. I like books and don't fancy staring at a screen to read but I'm not looking forward to the stage where reading paper books becomes pretentious and hipster-like...like people who insist on listening to music only on record.

Damn technology making even the most simplest choice some kind of statement!

yeah but I was told Libraries have an Ebook system also in which you can download books. Choose paperback or E-Book format.

The screen thing worried me as the eyes be poppin out of my head just hours after being on the internet but I'm told that the screens are like reading a real book and dont hurt the eyes.

The Jammy dodger

nibtrix wrote: »

I've had an ereader for the last eight years or so - as in I had a palm handheld computer that I could read books on. About two years ago I got an Astak EZreader, as it's open format, so there was no crap about only being able to download books from certain sites. If I was starting from scratch I'd probably get a kindle but until I can convert the 500+ ebooks I have now I won't switch.

So with an E-reader you can only download certain books from certain sites depending upon the make of your reader? thats sounds crap.

Eve_Dublin

The Jammy dodger wrote: »

yeah but I was told Libraries have an Ebook system also in which you can download books. Choose paperback or E-Book format.

I suppose I like libraries themselves as places to go and browse for books and a place for people to go and read in silence. Especially for old people or the unemployed who perhaps want to study on their own with the resources a library provides. It'll all be online before we know it...everything we do will be online eventually and we won't have any reason to leave our houses. I don't like that. Just my own personal feeling though after spending a year and a half working in one (and working in book shops previous to that).

kowloon

Battery life on a Kindle is good but the screen is a bit small for me. I just stick my netbook on its side and read it like a book for the same effect.

I tend to print things out unless there's a searchable text layer. For searchable docs and word docs I have a monitor that swivels onto its side.

Einhard

pmcb wrote: »

eBooks take up less space.

That's one of the reasons I dislike them. I could never get rid of a book I've read. I love having books lining the walls. My dream is to have one of those fancy walnut paneled, two-storey libraries with the sliding ladder on it! And all the books will be hard back, without their duskjackets, and there'll be a massive antique globe in the middle of the room, beside the whiskey cabinet with crystal decanter.

Sigh. A man can dream.

The Jammy dodger

I'm not sure E-books will wipe off the traditional paperback at all. Libraries being that quiet kind of place to read a book wont change either as there will always be that division in the public between the E-book and traditional paperback.

You've made a great point though. I'm only doing it because I need to save space.

MagicMarker

Confab wrote: »

It's silly buying a Kindle or whatever when most phones have book reader apps. Phones do everything nowadays. Why carry extra shit around?

That's retarded, I could say the same for laptops, games consoles and televisions.

Aishae

I don't know about with other e readers but with kindle you can convert books to mobi format (the format kindle likes) with a programme called calibre. Free to download to your pc.

Eve_Dublin

Einhard wrote: »

That's one of the reasons I dislike them. I could never get rid of a book I've read. I love having books lining the walls. My dream is to have one of those fancy walnut paneled, two-storey libraries with the sliding ladder on it! And all the books will be hard back, without their duskjackets, and there'll be a massive antique globe in the middle of the room, beside the whiskey cabinet with crystal decanter.

Sigh. A man can dream.

Sounds wonderful. No sitting room is complete without some book shelves. They make a room. Plus how can you judge someone on the kind of books they read or whether they read at all if they've got an ebook?

Chinafoot

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

Nope. And I've made a huge song and dance about not getting one in front of family and friends so I have to stick to my guns :mad:

I was a trainee librarian for a year and a half and was supposed to do a Masters in Dublin to qualify (yes...qualified Librarians have Masters degrees...it's not just about stamping books and looking cross/sexy and saying shhh in a cranky/sexy way to users you know!) but changed my mind at the last minute, so I'd be a massive supporter of public libraries and I'd hate to see libraries as we know them disappear. Thing is, I've been suspended from my local library here for another week for bringing a book back late and books in English are ridiculously expensive here, so one would probably come in handy...

I'm a library assistant (almost finished my masters) and personally I don't like the idea of ebooks. I can see the benefits and I think that for things like text books it would be fantastic but, for pleasure reading, I couldn't do it. However, I do think that libraries need to move with the times and embrace ebooks. I don't think it'll cause the demise of the library as we know it; people said the same about the internet and that hasn't happened. If anything the internet has improved the service that libraries can provide. I think there will always be a market for physical books.

The authority that I work for will be launching their ebook service soon and the only problem I see with it is the Kindle. The ebook format that the libraries are going for can't be used on a Kindle. Unfortunately, most people who have enquired about the impending service believe ebook = kindle. Having to tell them they can't use it is not very pleasant. Then trying to explain that the Kindle is an Amazon product and Amazon sell their own ebooks...they don't really understand. Amazon have reached an agreement in the US to provide ebooks to public libraries via Overdrive (which is the the supplier we'll be using) but of course, this is a new development and it's a long way from being implemented on this side of the Atlantic.

(ps: In Ireland you don't need the Masters to be a librarian, you just need the hDip. but most qualifying these days have the Masters )

Eve_Dublin

The Jammy dodger wrote: »

I'm not sure E-books will wipe off the traditional paperback at all. Libraries being that quiet kind of place to read a book wont change either as there will always be that division in the public between the E-book and traditional paperback.

You've made a great point though. I'm only doing it because I need to save space.

I dunno about that. Libraries are already getting less funds in all countries that provide the service...if governments can do it cheaper by making resources available online, then they will.

We'll see. Who knows. The reason I changed my mind on my career choice was because my boss in the library I worked in told me there was no future in public libraries and I'd have problems finding work in the near future.

Eve_Dublin

Chinafoot wrote: »

I'm a library assistant (almost finished my masters) and personally I don't like the idea of ebooks. I can see the benefits and I think that for things like text books it would be fantastic but, for pleasure reading, I couldn't do it. However, I do think that libraries need to move with the times and embrace ebooks. I don't think it'll cause the demise of the library as we know it; people said the same about the internet and that hasn't happened. If anything the internet has improved the service that libraries can provide. I think there will always be a market for physical books.

The authority that I work for will be launching their ebook service soon and the only problem I see with it is the Kindle. The ebook format that the libraries are going for can't be used on a Kindle. Unfortunately, most people who have enquired about the impending service believe ebook = kindle. Having to tell them they can't use it is not very pleasant. Then trying to explain that the Kindle is an Amazon product and Amazon sell their own ebooks...they don't really understand. Amazon have reached an agreement in the US to provide ebooks to public libraries via Overdrive (which is the the supplier we'll be using) but of course, this is a new development and it's a long way from being implemented on this side of the Atlantic.

(ps: In Ireland you don't need the Masters to be a librarian, you just need the hDip. but most qualifying these days have the Masters )

Interesting to hear some insight into that world at the moment. It's been 4 years since I've worked in that area.

Sorry, I know you don't have to have a Masters specifically, I meant to say a 3rd level qualification as most people think you don't need any kind of qualification as all they believe that's involved is stamping books. I applied for the Masters in 2007 and was accepted...we might have been class mates!

Chinafoot

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

Interesting to hear some insight into that world at the moment. It's been 4 years since I've worked in that area.

Sorry, I know you don't have to have a Masters specifically, I meant to say a 3rd level qualification as most people think you don't need any kind of qualification as all they believe that's involved is stamping books. I applied for the Masters in 2007 and was accepted...we might have been class mates!

Heh, I'm doing it via distance learning in Aberystwyth so I can work full-time. I could never afford the costs of taking a year out to go to UCD. Today is actually my 5th anniversary of the day I started working in the libraries.

Things are tough at the moment and your boss does have a point. It's not something I would recommend people jumping into without having a real love for the job, purely because, as you pointed out yourself, it's not what most people think it is. It's not a cushy number where we sit around reading, or shushing people or stamping books. Things are tough in the area at the moment with the embargo, the paycuts and the retirement of people with many years service and a wealth of experience. There are no promotions in the near future and it's not the type of job where you will earn good money.

After 5 years I'm on a little over 28k. I would never get a mortgage and if I wanted to start a family now I don't think I could cope. So career wise, at the moment, there is very little happening in the libraries and I don't see that changing for quite a while. That being said, I really do like my job and I have no plans to leave it

Anyway, to bring this somewhat back on-topic, I do think libraries are changing and new technology is part of that change. We recently got self-service machines in my branch. Some borrowers love them, some hate them. Ebooks will be the same. Some will be delighted with the new service but there will always be people that will prefer the physical books and the atmosphere of the library itself. I've read some horrible articles from people in the UK about the library closures over there and they are always full of the same old crap of "what can I get in a library that I can't get online?" These people miss the point of what a library provides; it's a space for children who want to read large, colourful, beautifully illustrated books, it's for storytime and arts and crafts, it's for computer classes for those who don't have computers at home (and there are plenty of those people out there), it's for people who are trying to learn English, and it's for people who simply need a quiet place to study. Ebooks aren't going to take that away.

Libraries are a place of huge importance to a community, even if the entire community doesn't know it

Biggins

Yes, three.
One Kindle and two Sony E-readers.
Have read loads since I got them. So easy to fly through books now.

Thrill

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

how can you judge someone on the kind of books they read or whether they read at all if they've got an ebook?

Simple. Just read between the lines.

harney

I have both a Sony ebook reader, as well as a tablet. Both serve different purposes. I would not be overly inclined to take out my tablet on the tube, but an quite happy to read away on the ebook reader.

The Sony I have fits perfectly in a suit pocket, is fairly light (the new models are even lighter), and can last up to 1 month without charging. The tablet on the other hand is fairly heavy and lasts about 8 - 9 hours. It is backlit, so can be used without a light while the ereader is not.

I prefer the Sony for reading books as it takes less effort to use i.e. it is so light to carry that you just take it out and you are off reading.

Most books can be converted with free software that works on both Linux, Macs and Windows http://calibre-ebook.com/

Some libraries are now doing online loans of ebooks, I believe that Dublin library is one.

I have not tried a Kindle but apparently one advantage is that you can sync the books you download to any device you can install the software on e.g. the kindle itself, some mobile phone, tablets and pc's.

The only issue I might have with the Kindle is the whole 1984 issue, and who really controls your device.

x_Ellie_x

I have one but I don't use it that much because it hurts my eyes and gives me awful headaches. I have bad eyesight.

kowloon

Einhard wrote: »

That's one of the reasons I dislike them. I could never get rid of a book I've read. I love having books lining the walls. My dream is to have one of those fancy walnut paneled, two-storey libraries with the sliding ladder on it! And all the books will be hard back, without their duskjackets, and there'll be a massive antique globe in the middle of the room, beside the whiskey cabinet with crystal decanter.

Sigh. A man can dream.

You're doing it wrong: everyone knows the globe opens up so the whiskey can be stored inside. Then after a few you can have fun on the moving mahogany ladder of death.

Freddie59

The Jammy dodger wrote: »

How many of you have these E-Readers? I was gonna get one for my wife as she is mad into reading books and taking up space in my house with them.

I thought this E-reader would be a good idea to reduce that and at the same time serve as a lovely present that I'll get weeks of peace out of.

So...Are they worth the money? easy to use? Easy to download books on?

Jam

Bought the wife a Kindle for her birthday earlier in the year. She is an avid book reader, and has been for years. Pound for pound, the best present I have ever bought - she even says so herself. It is an incredible device. You can even download the first chapter of a book for free to see if it's for you. The Kindle really is a revelation. Go for it. But get the WiFi/3G unit with the keypad (which is invaluable).

Freddie59

Colonel Panic wrote: »

Easier to read e-ink on a Kindle compared to an iPad.

Indeed. No-glare screen and the thing actually LOOKS like the pages of a book.

LumpyGravy wrote: »

The kindle has a battery life of up to 4 weeks and some have free 3g almost anywhere in the world.

Battery on smart phones last two days tops with huge roaming charges.

Plus the bigger screen.

The Jammy dodger wrote: »

So with an E-reader you can only download certain books from certain sites depending upon the make of your reader? thats sounds crap.

Your best bet is to log onto Amazon and search for books that your wife has already bought. It will show you exactly how much is available. not really an issue.

Spunge

Cant you just pirate books in pdf or whatever and convert them to kindle readable format ?

Overheal

Spunge wrote: »

Cant you just pirate books in pdf or whatever and convert them to kindle readable format ?

Surprisingly to some, but eReaders - devices created for the sole purpose of displaying books and documents in order to be read - have no real problems handling PDF files.

mikemac

Audiobooks ftw

Listen while you're on bus/train to work, stuck in an airport, whatever

Some of the actors are great, realy bring the stories to life

I don't have a kindle as audiobooks can do their job even better

zinzan

Yes,

2 Sony Readers an an iPad... we were developing serious space issues as a result of the number of books we have.

In my opinion, the monochrome screen of the sony devices is much more akin to reading a book and a lot easier on the eyes than looking at the bright ipad screen, and the battery life is phenomenal.
The only thing I would say against the Sony readers is that the PC managment software for them is crap - but you don't have to use it as the reader can be mounted as a USB drive, or there is the previously mentioned Calibre software which is free, regularly updated and probably the best ebook library management software there is - it's a fantastic app.

The kindle I have no experience with. It looks like a nice device but is hampered by the ebook formats it can deal with.

Spunge

mikemac wrote: »

Audiobooks ftw

Listen while you're on bus/train to work, stuck in an airport, whatever

Some of the actors are great, realy bring the stories to life

I don't have a kindle as audiobooks can do their job even better

I love audiobooks, i can just lie in bed and listen to some awesome story without even needing to open my eyes. I pretty much only listen to sci-fi on audiobooks. The problem is though you need to find one with a good narrator, and the language of some books might be a bit too much for me to listen to id rather read it.

tallus

I use my ipad to read ebooks. The screen protector attached dulls the shine somewhat which is a help.

The sony reader screen looks really good.

Biggins

Freddie59 wrote: »

Bought the wife a Kindle for her birthday earlier in the year. She is an avid book reader, and has been for years. Pound for pound, the best present I have ever bought - she even says so herself. It is an incredible device. You can even download the first chapter of a book for free to see if it's for you. The Kindle really is a revelation. Go for it. But get the WiFi/3G unit with the keypad (which is invaluable).

All true!

zinzan wrote: »

...The kindle I have no experience with. It looks like a nice device but is hampered by the ebook formats it can deal with.

Actually the Kindle can deal with a good number of formats - and using free "Calibre" you can use the rest.

Of the two kids I have (Sony E-reader and Kindle) I MUCH prefer the Kindle.

I agree by the way what you say about the screens. The Kindle too is better at displaying text and also has a better anti-glare sheen on it.

Lord TSC

I read a lot but I've made it known among family and friends that I'll throw an eReader at anyone who gets me one :P

I just prefer the physicality of a real book and I like my collection on a shelf. I don't like having a digital library of books and don't plan on switching over.

Canis Lupus

Often PDF files aren't formatted very well and make reading a nightmare.

Anywho, yup I bought a kindle and love it. If you know where to obtain books....for free... then it makes perfect sense if you have no conscience.