Hannibal [NBC/Sky Living] [** Spoilers **]

The Black Oil

duploelabs wrote: »

Very sure. It's been an issue since the shows inception. Watch any of the interviews with Fuller and he mentions it a lot. Imdb and others also quoting that this is the issue behind the cancelling. http://moviepilot.com/posts/2015/06/23/nbc-s-hannibal-has-been-cancelled-after-three-seasons-3329309?lt_source=external,manual

As you mention, the Clarice issue has always been there and Fuller has known this since day one. I believe it comes down to MGM as they own the rights to Starling. I'd take the speculation that the character was a key reason for cancellation with a healthy pinch of salt. It's 'sources' talking to the Hollywood Reporter, which could be solid, guess work or grapevine BS. I still would like to see a Bryan Fuller interpretation of Clarice and her trainee agent status, though.

It's usually the crews I feel most sorry for. At least high profile writers and actors don't tend to have trouble finding other gigs.

Mr E

Good article about Hannibal on The Verge:

Why NBC's Hannibal deserves (and can easily get) a second life online

ixoy

I really want to see more of the most utterly f**ked up almost bromance ever committed to screen.

Jasnah

Recommend contacting Netflix live chat support, they're happily taking notes from each person who messages in about renewing the show.

expectationlost

so wait did Graham really string up and display that guy? is the first time he's done that in real life?

The Black Oil

Cancellation was about the ratings, not rights to Starling.

Was it purely a ratings decision or were there other factors at play?

It’s a pretty cut and dry mathematical cancelation. We were a 0.5 [adults ages 18-49]! So no other factors were necessary!

Did the rights issues to Silence of the Lambs and the Clarice character impact the decision at all?

Oh no, nothing at all. Clarice wasn’t in the plan for the fourth season. It’s much cooler actually. The plan for Clarice would be season five.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/bryan-fuller-hannibals-future-has-804935

Adamocovic

Whats worse about this show being cancelled is that they had it planned to be 6 seasons. When a show gets cancelled that takes it a season at a time it's different. When a show with a planned amount of seasons and what will be covered in each gets canceled it feels worse in my view. Like I want to see what would hapen in season 4/5/6.

Mr E

Bryan Fuller told The Hollywood Reporter that there "has been interest from a few different parties", and that the studio is currently in talks about a potential fourth season away from NBC.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/s225/hannibal/news/a654896/bryan-fuller-wants-amazon-to-pick-up-hannibal-for-a-fourth-season.html

"a few different parties" sounds promising. I'd be confident that S3 isn't the last.

Also worth noting (from same article):

But what if this really is the end for Dr Lecter? Well, Fuller has assured fans that the season three finale would also serve as a satisfactory final episode for the show.

Adamocovic

Mr E wrote: »

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/s225/hannibal/news/a654896/bryan-fuller-wants-amazon-to-pick-up-hannibal-for-a-fourth-season.html

"a few different parties" sounds promising. I'd be confident that S3 isn't the last.

Also worth noting (from same article):

I don't like the sound of the last quote. It's good that it could act like that, but knowing he has more planned I want to see it. Also it knocked my confidence after reading the first quote :pac:

conorhal

Adamocovic wrote: »

I don't like the sound of the last quote. It's good that it could act like that, but knowing he has more planned I want to see it. Also it knocked my confidence after reading the first quote :pac:

I'd say don't let it dent you optimism, but if the show does end, the season three finale is likely to be a fitting end.
From the books and movies we know the broad outline of the series story arc, since Red Dragon is up next in the timeline this season pretty much has to end with Hannibal behind bars, which wouldn't be a bad place to wrap up the show if it doesn't find a new home.

The Black Oil

3.04

Shot a man in Chilton just to watch him die. Your slithery habit continues, Frederick.

That handwriting. The candles in the pews were beautiful. The talk about getting Hannibal to the stage, plus other elements, did bring a Shakespearian vibe to it.

Recovery is...fragile. What's in the chocolate, dear Mason?

Funky surgery music and happy hunting...

Adamocovic

Really liked the latest episode, felt more like a first episode back than the previous three if that makes sense ha. It all seems to be coming together now, can't wait for the hunt to be put into full motion.

duploelabs

Adamocovic wrote: »

Really liked the latest episode, felt more like a first episode back than the previous three if that makes sense ha. It all seems to be coming together now, can't wait for the hunt to be put into full motion.

well considering 'the hunt' is only going to be half the series (red dragon being the second half), it's going to happen soon and sharpish

Links234

I can't stand the new Mason Verger

Everything he's doing in that episode is copying Gary Oldman's performance in 2001's Hannibal. Michael Pitt was amazing last season, he made the character his own, but Joe Anderson is just meh...

wp_rathead

I'm tempted to wait till the season is up and binge watch the whole thing..

TwoShedsJackson

Michael Pitt is a notorious pain in the arse to work with - it's why he was written out of

Boardwalk Empire

and it's most likely why he's not returned in this.

Mechanical Clocktail

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Michael Pitt is a notorious pain in the arse to work with - it's why he was written out of

Boardwalk Empire

and it's most likely why he's not returned in this.

That's some BS that someone spouted on Reddit and then it grew legs. Unless you've an interview with someone or something? I have read that he's pretty sound and remembers the names of the crew etc.

His character died on Boardwalk sooner than expected because the guy playing his father - The Commadore - had a stroke. So they had to bring the overall story arc to a close sooner because of his poor health. Jimmy was always going to die.

TwoShedsJackson

Mechanical Clocktail wrote: »

That's some BS that someone spouted on Reddit and then it grew legs. Unless you've an interview with someone or something? I have read that he's pretty sound and remembers the names of the crew etc.

His character died on Boardwalk sooner than expected because the guy playing his father - The Commadore - had a stroke. So they had to bring the overall story arc to a close sooner because of his poor health. Jimmy was always going to die.

Have you worked with him then? No, neither have I but anyone can see dozens of articles online about how he was not liked at all on BE - even less then Paz de la Heurta, which apparently takes some doing.

He was very good in BE and I loved him in Hannibal but only ever hear negative things about how he supposed was to work with.

Mechanical Clocktail

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Have you worked with him then? No, neither have I but anyone can see dozens of articles online about how he was not liked at all on BE - even less then Paz de la Heurta, which apparently takes some doing.

He was very good in BE and I loved him in Hannibal but only ever hear negative things about how he supposed was to work with.

Okay, why don't you provide some links instead of developing an attitude.

smilerf

Jesus that was some boring episode. Keeps like this wonder it was cancelled

The Black Oil

Links234 wrote: »

I can't stand the new Mason Verger

Everything he's doing in that episode is copying Gary Oldman's performance in 2001's Hannibal. Michael Pitt was amazing last season, he made the character his own, but Joe Anderson is just meh...

Can see what you mean. The tone of voice, mannerisms, etc, are very similar to Oldman. Even the make up.

Links234

Supposedly Michael Pitt left the show himself, hasn't really given any reasons though, but regardless of the reasons behind the change in cast, I don't really like the new casting. Pitt's Mason was his own beast and absolutely enthralling to watch, whereas Anderson just mimics Gary Oldman, the accent, the delivery, everything is just replicating Oldman's turn at Mason Verger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zfqh2OxGFg

Links234

The Black Oil wrote: »

Can see what you mean. The tone of voice, mannerisms, etc, are very similar to Oldman. Even the make up.

Well, the makeup is nowhere near as severe as Oldman's, but I don't think we can blame the actor there.

ixoy

smilerf wrote: »

Jesus that was some boring episode. Keeps like this wonder it was cancelled

Have you watched this show before? It's nearly always at this pace.

Jon Stark

Didn't Pitt have scenes at the end of last season post mutilation? The make up and mannerisms also seemed pretty similar to Oldham's portrayal irrc.

So it seems a little unfair on the new guy to say he's aping someone's work. It must just be how both actors were asked to play it.

smilerf

ixoy wrote: »

Have you watched this show before? It's nearly always at this pace.

Maybe it's just the Hannibal will chemistry I'm missing

Adamocovic

smilerf wrote: »

Maybe it's just the Hannibal will chemistry I'm missing

They really do work brilliantly together. I imagine well see them reunited soon enough.

Agent Coulson

Any chance of it finding a new home is over I think the cast have been released from their contracts and are free to find other tv work.

‘Hannibal’ Releases Cast As Show Continues To Look For New Home

Ten days after NBC cancelled Hannibal, the series no longer has its cast under contract. I hear that starting today, stars Hugh Dancy and Mads Mikkelsen are free agents, and they are already fielding film and TV offers. Their options expired last night and were not extended by Hannibal producer Gaumont International Television.

Still, the independent production company continues talks with potential distributors. If Hannibal finds a new home, new deals have to be hammered out with both Dancy and Mikkelsen. Still, if the show gets a new season elsewhere and the two are still available, I hear both love the show and have indicated that they would like to reprise their roles as Will Graham and Dr. Hannibal Lecter. Still, there are other, even bigger obstacles for a fourth season of Hannibal. For once, the show has an exclusive deal with Amazon, making a pact with other streaming services virtually impossible. And, more importantly, Hannibal has lost its creative force, developer/executive producer Bryan Fuller to a new series, Starz’s American Gods. He remains committed to Hannibal, but a possible fourth season has to wait for him to finish the recently ordered first season of American Gods, which would be a challenge for potential buyers.

http://deadline.com/2015/07/hannibal-cast-released-new-home-1201467144/

Adamocovic

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Any chance of it finding a new home is over I think the cast have been released from their contracts and are free to find other tv work.

‘Hannibal’ Releases Cast As Show Continues To Look For New Home



http://deadline.com/2015/07/hannibal-cast-released-new-home-1201467144/

Not exactly what I wanted to hear starting the Friday :P. Do we think that if amazon didn't have the agreement with them Netflix would have picked it up? Shame to see it go if it isnt picked up by anyone else. Despite how some don't like the new season I really think it's a very unique show and can't think of anything else currently out there similar that could fill the void.

Agent Coulson

Adamocovic wrote: »

Not exactly what I wanted to hear starting the Friday :P. Do we think that if amazon didn't have the agreement with them Netflix would have picked it up? Shame to see it go if it isnt picked up by anyone else. Despite how some don't like the new season I really think it's a very unique show and can't think of anything else currently out there similar that could fill the void.

Well Amazon are making there own shows now so maybe they will try to pick it up but they would want to do it pretty soon before the main leads sign up for something else.

Maybe part of the reason they haven't done it already is they can see it's not a big attraction on Amazon Prime NBC cancelled it because of ratings maybe Amazon aren't getting the viewers for it either.

Chain Smoker

I'm a bit surprised how much I loved

Jack absolutely beating the sh*te out of Hannibal

in this week's episode

EDIT: Episode 5, to be clear

Tristram

Very strong episode this week. The first three episodes were beautiful but lacked pacing. Real return to form with episode four. I don't like the Gillian Anderson strand.

oleras

Tristram wrote: »

Very strong episode this week. The first three episodes were beautiful but lacked pacing. Real return to form with episode four. I don't like the Gillian Anderson strand.

latest is the fifth so maybe look away.

I really liked Jack, badass jack this week. Afterall, he did end Bella's life to go on this journey, which i still find quiet strange.

Will, i am starting to doubt if Will if actually there he goes in and out of dream sequences so often, cut face from a that ? must have been a dream !

Tristram

oleras wrote: »

latest is the fifth so maybe look away.

Yikes, one episode must have been so bad that I've blocked it out. Or, two episode were pretty woegious and I've combined them. Thanks though!

oleras

Tristram wrote: »

Yikes, one episode must have been so bad that I've blocked it out. Or, two episode were pretty woegious and I've combined them. Thanks though!

No such thing as a bad episode...how very dare you...:pac:

Tristram

oleras wrote: »

No such thing as a bad episode...how very dare you...:pac:

We must be on different seasons :pac:

smilerf

Best episode yet but oh my God the new Mason Verger is so bad

kn

ixoy wrote: »

Have you watched this show before? It's nearly always at this pace.

In fairness there was more meat (pun intended) to the first two seasons. I've only watched EP 1 and 2 of season 3 and I was bored to tears.

The Black Oil

3.05

'I didn't see the forecast, did you?' What next? Grand stretch in the evenings, H?

All aboard the quietest train carriage in the world with La gazza ladra.

Mason looks like Kevin Bacon with a messed up jaw. Those 1 euro coins do indeed slot down the phone box rather well.

An episode of capture and release. Jack lost the game, but perhaps not the battle. Dr. Bloom on duty.

'All elements of an epiphany were present'

Melisandre121

I'm really disappointed with this series.. It's slow and ridiculously self indulgent, I'm struggling to stay interested.

Also can someone enlighten me as to why Gillian Anderson's character is in Italy with Hannibal?? I couldn't figure it out and hoped it would be explained but it wasn't, unless I missed it??

Polo Pete

Melisandre121 wrote: »

I'm really disappointed with this series.. It's slow and ridiculously self indulgent, I'm struggling to stay interested.

Also can someone enlighten me as to why Gillian Anderson's character is in Italy with Hannibal?? I couldn't figure it out and hoped it would be explained but it wasn't, unless I missed it??

It's hopeless tbh. Really bad stuff. Happy it's being cancelled to tell the truth.

Melisandre121

Polo Pete wrote: »

It's hopeless tbh. Really bad stuff. Happy it's being cancelled to tell the truth.

I watched the latest episode tonight and when the Italian cop put money in the phone box and it showed a close up of the euro rolling down into it I cringed.. It's become absolute nonsense, almost a parody of itself. So disappointed.

TonyD79

Melisandre121 wrote: »

I'm really disappointed with this series.. It's slow and ridiculously self indulgent, I'm struggling to stay interested.

Also can someone enlighten me as to why Gillian Anderson's character is in Italy with Hannibal?? I couldn't figure it out and hoped it would be explained but it wasn't, unless I missed it??

You obviously didn't hang around to watch the end credits of season 2?

Melisandre121

TonyD79 wrote: »

You obviously didn't hang around to watch the end credits of season 2?

I did but it didn't explain it, she was just sitting on the plane with him.

Or did something go totally over my head?

ixoy

Don't really get the hate for this season. They're trying something a little different and having the characters deal with the aftermath of Hannibal's blood bath: we could hardly expect them to go back to solving cases or for Hannibal and Will to have cordial chats.

Show has always been slow but with a target and I feel we have that here - we're already seeing the trap closing in on Hannibal and we got a great confrontation this week. The only real one that we're building to is of course when he confronts Will.

I'll grant though that Mason Verger #2 is a weak substitute for Pitt.

As to indulgent? Sure, hardly new. Maybe though a few less slo-mo shots of liquid being poured wouldn't be amiss. Just serve the damn wine!

Adamocovic

ixoy wrote: »

Don't really get the hate for this season. They're trying something a little different and having the characters deal with the aftermath of Hannibal's blood bath: we could hardly expect them to go back to solving cases or for Hannibal and Will to have cordial chats.

Show has always been slow but with a target and I feel we have that here - we're already seeing the trap closing in on Hannibal and we got a great confrontation this week. The only real one that we're building to is of course when he confronts Will.

I'll grant though that Mason Verger #2 is a weak substitute for Pitt.

As to indulgent? Sure, hardly new. Maybe though a few less slo-mo shots of liquid being poured wouldn't be amiss. Just serve the damn wine!

Agree with this completely. I know this won't apply for all the people with criticism, but a lot who aren't happy are people who have binged the seasons previous rather than watching one a week. When you binge it at the end you kind of forget the slow parts and only remember the big racing moments of the season.

The show has always been a bit slow paced for most of the season and of course it's always been self indulgent, there's nothing new there at all.

The only real change from this season is as you said Hannibal and Wills sit downs and the FBI cases. Granted they were great and Hannibal and Wills relationship was a key character in this show becoming popular (not enough to save it appears :P) after last season there was no way it was returning to what the previous seasons were like.

I think people being delighted it's cancelled is a bit of a rush and quick decision based on what they've seen so far. This season appears to be moving towards Hannibals arrest, with a few twists and turns on the way. The final episode more than likely will be Hannibal getting escorted to the prison. This is why I feel Fuller stated this season could act as a finale if it has to. But imagine what next season would have been like! Seeing Mads play Hannibal behind bars? It would have been awesome!

Adamocovic

Don't understand people complaining about slow mos and close ups, that's the shows bread and butter. Nothing new on that front at all.

I can't for the life of me understand too much criticism on the latest episode, thought it was cracking. Best of the season and easily lived up to the levels from season 1 and 2. Has it been aired in Sky Living yet? I'll spoiler tag in case.

I was sure at the end Jack was either going to be killed by Hannibal or Chiyo would show up and save him! Also loved the bits of conversation with Pazzi when Hannibal knew his number. Hannibal can't last too much longer now and I expect him to be caught very soon! Initially thought it would be dragged out but with that episode I can imagine Hannibal being caught with two or three episodes still to go! Can't wait for it

Roll on next week!

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Yeah I really don't get the criticism of this season. Hannibal has always been rather fundamentally about the slow burn of trauma that violence and manipulation leave in their wake. Literally the whole of the series Will has been emo-ing away to himself about a killing he committed in the very first first episode. I was re-watching this in the run up to this season coming out, with my boyfriend who'd never seen it before. I remembered last season as packed with incident, actually the first three or four episodes are tortuously slow. It's the same with season one in fact, the show's MO is slow build up and then rapid, massive pay off that wouldn't have the impact it does without the slow pace at the start of each season and references to previous seasons.

And like, here's some dialogue from Season One

Hannibal Lecter: Killing must feel good to God, too. He does it all the time, and are we not created in God's image?
Will Graham: Depends on who you ask.
Hannibal Lecter: God's terrific. He dropped a church roof on 34 of his worshipers last Wednesday night in Texas, while they sang a hymn.
Will Graham: Did God feel good about that?
Hannibal Lecter: He felt powerful.

Hannibal Lecter: Perhaps you didn't come here looking for a killer. Perhaps you came here to find yourself. You killed a man in this very room.
Will Graham: I stared at Hobbs and the space opposite me assumed the shape of a man filled with dark and swarming flies. And then I scattered them

But apparently that's grand and a shot of a euro going into a payphone is unbearably pretentious.

The Black Oil

Well, this Guardian interview with Fuller from early June starts off with one of the first quotes as follows.

Every director who comes to the show gets the same lecture, says Fuller. We are not making television. We are making a pretentious art film from the 80s.

And by the end of the piece it doesn't sound like a show that's a breeze to shoot.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

It's a pretentious show, that's part of what makes it unique!

This season has been a pretty big re-configuration though, which will tend to happen when one of your main characters is finally totally unmasked as a serial killer and flees to Europe to adopt a new identity, in fairness. We're missing most of the secondary characters who brought the most levity (the two lads in the FBI especially), and also the more episodic, villain of the week elements. There isn't room for those elements when you have Will, Jack, and Hannibal all slowly converging on each other (as well as Mason complicating things), and they obviously wouldn't make sense in this scenario.

Hannibal and Will talking about other are not nearly as compelling as Hannibal and Will talking to each other, though. I have to admit, I'm finding Will more than a bit tedious these past two episodes (liked him in episode 2). Pairing Hugh Dancy with an actor who also....talks....ponderously slowly....about the...saaame subject...all the...time for most of his scenes is one decision I'm not crazy about this season. Mads Mikkelson could probably read the Ikea catalogue to an empty chair and make it seem wry, threatening, sexy (or hey, all three, why not), and he gets matched with Gillian Anderson :pac: