Hannibal [NBC/Sky Living] [** Spoilers **]

duploelabs

Have to say I'm not a fan of how salubrious hannibal's cell is, despite the memory palace or not. Though it was a great contrast in the films of the unfinished rock that almost mirrored Jame Gumb's well to the refined nature of Hannibal's taste (and I don't mean palate)

Adamocovic

I really liked the episode and the direction the show is going!

The talk between Hannibal and Chilton about how Hannibal only appeared to niche audience hit me hard since we know the cancellation!

Links234

Fantastic so far, I'm thrilled we're at least getting to see the Red Dragon storyline. Disappointed that we won't see what they'll do with the Silence storyline too, that would be all sorts of amazing.

mejulie805

I'm in two minds about that last episode. I was excited to get back to the beginning, and back to Will's analysis of scenes ("This is my design") and I 'awwed' when they revealed Will did end up with Molly.

I think Richard Armitage has introduced the character well, but the back story for Dolarhyde seemed far too rushed. It seemed more like the introduction of an over-excited killer, rather than the tormented and damaged socio/psychopath that Dolarhyde is.

Yes it's a TV show, and it has to be done quickly, but I don't think a montage was the right way!

Only complaint. Otherwise great ep. Looking forward to #9...

Bounty Hunter

So is this still being shopped around or is a season 4 def a no go? I honestly have a feeling this would do well for a streaming service and that it is probably downloaded a lot more than watched when it airs hense the low ratings (although the pace and overly artsy -ness of the first few eps probably didn't help with ratings)

Agent Coulson

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

So is this still being shopped around or is a season 4 def a no go? I honestly have a feeling this would do well for a streaming service and that it is probably downloaded a lot more than watched when it airs hense the low ratings (although the pace and overly artsy -ness of the first few eps probably didn't help with ratings)

I'd say it's over and done now.

Both Amazon & Netflix turned down a chance to pick it up and the cast were all released from their contracts a few weeks back that usually means the end.

The leads won't be out of work long and will be tied to new contracts so I can't see anyway back for it in the foreseeable future anyway.

Adamocovic

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I'd say it's over and done now.

Both Amazon & Netflix turned down a chance to pick it up and the cast were all released from their contracts a few weeks back that usually means the end.

The leads won't be out of work long and will be tied to new contracts so I can't see anyway back for it in the foreseeable future anyway.

Could be wrong but I remember seeing Amazon were opened to the idea but Fuller said that they would want all the episodes out and ready to stream far too soon and felt that they were not giving him enough time as before to shoot it the way he wanted too. I look for a source to that later when I'm finished work, I could be wrong, but I am fairly certain I read that.

Agree though, sadly looks like the end of Hannibal

Agent Coulson

Adamocovic wrote: »

Could be wrong but I remember seeing Amazon were opened to the idea but Fuller said that they would want all the episodes out and ready to stream far too soon and felt that they were not giving him enough time as before to shoot it the way he wanted too. I look for a source to that later when I'm finished work, I could be wrong, but I am fairly certain I read that.

Agree though, sadly looks like the end of Hannibal

I got it from Bryan Fuller's tweet that they both passed on it.

https://twitter.com/BryanFuller/status/618179704147718145

Adamocovic

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I got it from Bryan Fuller's tweet that they both passed on it.

https://twitter.com/BryanFuller/status/618179704147718145

Initially I thought so too, but after reading comments he made at comic con it seems they we're interested in taking it on but wanted to jump straight in which Fuller wasn't prepared to do. They probably passed on it due to his terms, but still some good sign that they were interested.

"[They] wanted to do it very quickly and I wanted to be able to get all the scripts in advance before we started shooting a fourth season and their desire to put it out immediately was impossible for us to do," said Fuller.

Source: http://uk.businessinsider.com/why-amazon-didnt-save-hannibal-from-cancellation-2015-7?r=US&IR=T#ixzz3hBkGzmzn


I doubt well ever see a 4th season, at least they shot this season aware that they could get the axe so it is meant to have an ending that could satisfy as a series finale. Still would have loved to see a 4th season though.

wolfyboy555

Is this worth watching past season 1? Just finished season 1 and really dislike Will Graham's character. I got sick of his hallucinations and his shaking and sweating and closing his eyes and knowing exactly how the crime happened. I would prefer some decent detective work. Does it have the same formula for the next two seasons? hannibals character is great though.

The Black Oil

wolfyboy555 wrote: »

Is this worth watching past season 1? Just finished season 1 and really dislike Will Graham's character. I got sick of his hallucinations and his shaking and sweating and closing his eyes and knowing exactly how the crime happened. I would prefer some decent detective work. Does it have the same formula for the next two seasons? hannibals character is great though.

The first episode of season 2 sets up a "12 weeks earlier" scenario/hook that runs through until 2.13.

I'm a little hazy on the specifics of whether, outside of the main arc, there's much decent detective work. If you're invested in Hannibal himself, stick with it. Plenty of blood is still shed. The Hannibal/Will relationship and a focus on Will himself doesn't go away, if that's your concern...

smilerf

The Black Oil wrote: »

The first episode of season 2 sets up a "12 weeks earlier" scenario/hook that runs through until 2.13.

I'm a little hazy on the specifics of whether, outside of the main arc, there's much decent detective work. If you're invested in Hannibal himself, stick with it. Plenty of blood is still shed. The Hannibal/Will relationship and a focus on Will himself doesn't go away, if that's your concern...

There was a good bit of detective work
"Peter is your Social Worker in that horse" best quote ever

Sudden Valley

3x09
Not a bad episode. I only had to problems with it
- the red dragon or tooth fairy is played by a very ordinary actor. It's unfortunately the character has already been depicted on screen by two much better actors.
- Alana's god-awful striped suit. And also her presence results in Dr. Chilton's absence as she is playing his role in this depiction of the story.

ixoy

Sudden Valley wrote: »

the red dragon or tooth fairy is played by a very ordinary actor.

I think Richard Armitage is doing a great job. He's always been able to do coiled intensity very well and I think it's playing very strongly to this role. So far a great choice in my opinion.

Lord Hat

It's disappearing up its own bobo

frostyjacks

wolfyboy555 wrote: »

Is this worth watching past season 1? Just finished season 1 and really dislike Will Graham's character. I got sick of his hallucinations and his shaking and sweating and closing his eyes and knowing exactly how the crime happened. I would prefer some decent detective work. Does it have the same formula for the next two seasons? hannibals character is great though.

I think it's more the actor that's the issue, rather than the character. Stick with it though, Hannibal becomes more of the central figure the longer it goes on.

duploelabs

Sudden Valley wrote: »

3x09
Not a bad episode. I only had to problems with it
- the red dragon or tooth fairy is played by a very ordinary actor. It's unfortunately the character has already been depicted on screen by two much better actors.
- Alana's god-awful striped suit. And also her presence results in Dr. Chilton's absence as she is playing his role in this depiction of the story.

http://collider.com/richard-armitage-hannibal-tv-performer-of-the-week

Mr E

I've just watched episode 9. This show has become the epitome of style over substance.
I've come this far so I'll stick it out until the end.

For what it's worth, Armitage is doing a great job. Very creepy.

Lord Hat

Mr E wrote: »

I've just watched episode 9. This show has become the epitome of style over substance.
I've come this far so I'll stick it out until the end.

For what it's worth, Armitage is doing a great job. Very creepy.

I agree with the style over substance point. It's a pity. It peaked in season 2

The Black Oil

3.09

It took me a few seconds to remember who Will's wife was and what she looked like...

Hannibal's nose, needling Will. He drained Abagail's blood and broke Will's sanity, both purposefully. Things could head in that direction, once again. Alana continues to run point on psych duty, finger wagging, ball talk (black box junk coverage) and plenty more included in this one. A lack of courtesy towards Hannibal, and all the cooking and ingredients talk, surely a recipe for another session of eating the rude.

We have our Francis Dolarhyde and his first human connection thanks to a lack of sympathy. Boundaries for him and Reba, and for Hannibal, as mentioned. Did you notice the 'open wide' dental bus poster? Surely a wink to Dolarhyde's recent purchase and name.

The scene with Jack was a reminder of Lecter's ability to make his point and yes, one needs to consider the neighbours when admiring moonlight whilst in the nip.

frostyjacks

Blood in the moonlight appears quite black, apparently. One would need privacy for that sort of thing.

Elmo

Very disappointed with season 3. Half the series taken up with Hannibal on the run, It's a prequel to Red Dragon why not capture Hannibal in Ep 2, allow the audience to see Crawford struggle with The Tooth Fairy and Graham get on with his life and Hannibal behind bars.

Even the last 2 eps with Hannibal behind bars, is he in the lap of luxury or are we just seeing what Hannibal is thinking of his surroundings?

Clareman

Elmo wrote: »

Even the last 2 eps with Hannibal behind bars, is he in the lap of luxury or are we just seeing what Hannibal is thinking of his surroundings?

My take on it is that it's his mind-palace we're seeing but he isn't able to keep it up so it's getting weaker and weaker as it goes on, I'm guessing it was going to be a case of the end of the current series it'd be almost gone only to have Agent Starling bring it back which would bring up his end game.

Elmo

Clareman wrote: »

My take on it is that it's his mind-palace we're seeing but he isn't able to keep it up so it's getting weaker and weaker as it goes on, I'm guessing it was going to be a case of the end of the current series it'd be almost gone only to have Agent Starling bring it back which would bring up his end game.

For some reason they have said they don't have the rights to starling's character and a few others from SoTL think MGM hold them or something

Sudden Valley

I think its perhaps for the best that they can't introduce Starling to the show. The female characters in the show have generally been badly written apart from Abigail and a few guest stars. Interesting to see who they end killing off in the Red Dragon storyline.

Clareman

Elmo wrote: »

For some reason they have said they don't have the rights to starling's character and a few others from SoTL think MGM hold them or something

Fro some reason I always had the end of the season being something like him standing up to get ready for his iconic positioning when him looking at the camera with "Dr. Lector" being said in the background, no need to say who it is, everyone would just know. The next season could then just skip the whole Lambs story and start brand new lines.

Adolescenteen

Thought that was an excellent episode. Especially the first fifteen minutes with the back and forth between Will and Hannibal and Hannibal constantly poking Will about his dark side.

On the cell. It's not part of his memory palace, as even when the focus shifts to another character the room stays the same. I think it's a "courtesy" offered by Alana as an attempt to get Hannibal to comply and/or a sort of 'thank you' for saving Will, getting the sperm from Mason and also taking the rap for Mason's death.

It also gives Alana something to threaten him with. As she does this episode.

Also on that Hannibal Alana interaction, this was great dialogue:

"Are you here to wag your finger?"
"You know I love a good finger wagging"
"Yes, you do. How IS Margot?"

I mean, come on! :P

Elmo

I am getting bored of it all for god sake just get on with the story. How to drag and drag and drag.

Jasnah

Jesus Bedelia…

The Black Oil

3.10

Tick tock.

The Debussy fandom continues - have been fortunate enough to hear Claire de Lune live. Will now has a face to work with. That was a pretty deft move FD move pulled taking out the museum woman. Hannibal's phone trick was old school. The scene with Bedelia's patient was yack!

Proximity is everything, as is identity.

The Black Oil

3.11

Jack Crawford - fisher of men. I loved his entrance to Hannibal's room as they confronted him about the phone.

Have to admit, I thought the masked Tooth Fairy cast a near Daredevil type figure when standing in the doorway of the log cabin.

Privacy settings and personal ads. :pac: Secrets with amendments. Solace in baseball and the triangle of mental hospital treatment is complete...

You have hubbed hell, Dr. Lecter.
I often do

And so we have the mask.

Crazy sons of bitches.

El Diablo Blanco

Maybe it's just me, but I find it a bit jarring hearing Mads' Lecter speaking some of the lines from Red Dragon. Seems as if they've lifted some of the dialogue verbatim from the book/film, and it doesn't really mesh with the character that Mikkelsen has crafted over the past two and a half seasons. Kinda distracting.

ThisRegard

Links234 wrote: »

my criticisms over the slog that was the first few episodes,

ROBBO7 wrote: »

Like everyone else was a bit disappointed with the pacing on the first 5 episodes of this series.

I do wonder if it was a factor in its cancellation. The first few seemed disjointed to the series as a whole considering what came before it, and after.

And unlike others, I don't think I spent enough time on the likes of SomethingAwful to desensitise myself to the violence, particularly when there's children or animals involved. Some warped minds on the writers panel.

Elmo

ThisRegard wrote: »

I do wonder if it was a factor in its cancellation. The first few seemed disjointed to the series as a whole considering what came before it, and after.

And unlike others, I don't think I spent enough time on the likes of SomethingAwful to desensitise myself to the violence, particularly when there's children or animals involved. Some warped minds on the writers panel.

The books are as warped.

Stopped watching will catch it when it goes on Netflix can be bothered with it.

Skerries

The Black Oil wrote: »

Have to admit, I thought the masked Tooth Fairy cast a near Daredevil type figure when standing in the doorway of the log cabin.

they got that look from the Manhunter film

Agent Coulson

Fuller wants to bring back The Avengers TV series

"I would love to reboot The Avengers with Eddie Izzard as John Steed. That would be wonderful."

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/a663828/hannibals-bryan-fuller-wants-to-bring-back-the-avengers-tv-series.html#~plDU5o6loRn3lG

I could see it working in the same vain as Hannibal.

Adamocovic

Sorry if mentioned before here but our boy Mads has landed himself a role in the Star Wars spinoff movie Rogue One! As someone who is a big fan of his and a big Star Wars the joy I got from finding that out has soothed the pain of Hannibal finishing. :P

frostyjacks

An unusual bit of film memorabilia for anyone with a few quid to spare:

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/aug/19/buffalo-bill-home-silence-of-the-lambs-sale

Not sure if it still has the dungeon in the basement though.

duploelabs

belongs here I think

The Black Oil

Despite its high points, I thought something was a touch off key here. Can't quite put my finger on what*...despite knowing what was coming.

*Maybe the sell, as it were.

3.12

Again, I liked Lecter's temperament in this one.

Is Will in therapy for Will, or self-justification? The question of aching for Hannibal - that's been there since day one.

My dear Frederic,

You've always had a flair for self-promotion. Eating your face is the first time I've winced in a while. The flame face just prior to the wheelchair was also messed up. The interrogation was suitably torturous in technique and duration. Thought there was a clear difference in the timbre of the Tooth Fairy's voice too.

'Professional discourtesy' and 'proper stuff'

Mr E

Caught up over the weekend and enjoyed the last few episodes.

Even so, I had to laugh when even the promo for the finale was pretentious. At least they are consistent.

conorhal

The Black Oil wrote: »

Despite its high points, I thought something was a touch off key here. Can't quite put my finger on what*...despite knowing what was coming.

*Maybe the sell, as it were.

This might be down to some serious problems during production.
Internet scuttlebutt suggests that Fullers ambition for the series outstripped both time and budget restraints resulting in scenes not getting shot or completed under severe time pressure.
This season feels every bit like the result of something cobbled together in a rush and missing some vital ingredients to complete the dish so to speak.

The editing of this latest episode is a case in point, Chilton's storyline in the episode is all over the place and reeks of 'we've had to edit around what was shot, which wasn't much.'

The Black Oil wrote: »

3.12

Again, I liked Lecter's temperament in this one.

Is Will in therapy for Will, or self-justification? The question of aching for Hannibal - that's been there since day one.

My dear Frederic,

You've always had a flair for self-promotion. Eating your face is the first time I've winced in a while. The flame face just prior to the wheelchair was also messed up. The interrogation was suitably torturous in technique and duration. Thought there was a clear difference in the timbre of the Tooth Fairy's voice too.

'Professional discourtesy' and 'proper stuff'

I'm baffled as to what Will is doing in therapy with Bedelia, could be a co-dependent relationship, could be a weak excuse for a bit of exposition and monologuing. Either way it was a horrible scene that was all about underlining in bold red marker what should have remained subtext.

On another note, am I the only one who thinks Gillian Anderson is a dreadful actress? Her droning expressionless monotone really irritates me and she's the same in everything, I dropped 'The Fall' simply because I couldn't listen to her prozac mumbling any longer.

googled eyes

I really wish less time had been spent in Italy and more time spent with the dragon.

It feels like two seasons pushed together for me, as if on finding out that it was cancelled the switched to the plan for season 4 to finish it off.

Manchegan

Chilton's fire retardant eyes are very impressive.

sham69

Bit of a mixed bag season to be fair.

I agree with the slow start comments, it was hard to stick with it at times.
The visuals though are always stunning regardless of episode content which makes it a delight to watch.

Am I bothered that this is the end, overall yes.
It was a fantastic show but maybe it was time to call it a day.

I do remember Fuller saying a year or so back that he had enough material for 6 seasons or something like that.

The Black Oil

3.13

Previously on Checkered Suits, we didn't start the fire...

Shotgun - bye bye, skull. Vulcanite plates. Friends and dependency. Hannibal still pushes buttons with the cruelty of truth. Meat's back on the menu. :pac:

Authenticity costs. No battle plan survives contact with the enemy. Knife splatter, combat style. And we finish how we began. A bromance bonded in blood.

Mic drop, yo!

Don't forget to say please.

duploelabs

PSA. Watch it until the credits end

Jasnah

Delicious.

Adamocovic

Didn't expect it to vary so much compared to the film, still I think it was a good ending, they clearly knew or at least felt it wouldn't get the greenlight for another season so ended it to suit if it had to be the final episode.

Also anyone care to explain the post credits scene? Looks like Hannibal's handywork (Gideon) but when would he find the time for that?

Mr E

Pretty great finale. Season ended better than it started (by a large margin).

Mic drop.