Hannibal [NBC/Sky Living] [** Spoilers **]

grey_so_what

FlyingIrishMan wrote: »

Abigail Hobbs? Never thought she was really dead.

I agree.

I suppose poor Clarice could be another, Bev definitely saw something/one that horrified her.....

The suspense is killing me....:o

grey_so_what

Well, the Bodies Exhibition was a bit of an inspiration for last night to say the least!

http://www1.rfi.fr/actuen/images/112/432-ourbody-1Y4Y1247.jpg


To say Alana is dense is an understatement...She'd better be taking care of Winston & Co!

Great episode..

The Black Oil

2.05

The discovery scene was akin to a work of art, devastating, mind. And this is a network show.

AV Club linked to a blog post by Hettienne Park on some of the reaction she's had. They appear to be doing an interview a week now with Bryan Fuller, not so sure about the need for that, yet.

Will likes to dangle things in front of Chilton who also remains fun to watch. The score, again...

Next week - resurrection?

poundapunnet

FlyingIrishMan wrote: »

Abigail Hobbs? Never thought she was really dead.

I hope so. That veal that Hannibal served immediately after she was last seen in his company had a whiff of red herring, and he was quite attached to her. Plus the character was great and had a long way to go in her relationship with will (regarding how involved she was with her father's crimes), not to mention how useful she could be because of all she knows about Hannibal.

At the same time though, it's a pretty crowded cast and plot for the rest of the season with two new significant characters to be introduced, so if she is alive I'd imagine it'd be a season-finale-reveal kind of thing.

If this programme gets cancelled I'm going to cry.

Heckler

The Black Oil wrote: »

2.05

The discovery scene was akin to a work of art, devastating, mind. And this is a network show.

AV Club linked to a blog post by Hettienne Park on some of the reaction she's had. They appear to be doing an interview a week now with Bryan Fuller, not so sure about the need for that, yet.

Will likes to dangle things in front of Chilton who also remains fun to watch. The score, again...

Next week - resurrection?

The reactions to that post are, to me, mind boggling. I never once considered the fact that Katz was asian. It just didn"t register. I just saw an actor. Some people should get over themselves.

NotorietyH

What I find so great about Hannibal, is that they somehow manage to create so much tension in a show where we basically know what's going to happen because it's a prequel of sorts. They've just added so much clever turns to the cat and mouse games that are going on in it, and keep adding layers of complexity to Hannibal, without resorting to trying to make him more human. they just give him shifting motivations and his warped sense of friendship. Hannibal actually cares about Will, just not in the way a normal human does. Fantastic show.

poundapunnet

Heckler wrote: »

The reactions to that post are, to me, mind boggling. I never once considered the fact that Katz was asian. It just didn"t register. I just saw an actor. Some people should get over themselves.

At a guess are you white? And male?

I agree there was a total overreaction, but at the same time try and count the number of female Asian actors in speaking roles on television or in films (in the west obviously). And then try and find five that aren't totally fetishised for being female and Asian. I can understand how people got very attached to her and were upset to see her bumped off.

I thought Park's article was good, and very balanced. And as she says herself in it if you haven't faced discrimination on a daily basis because of your gender and race, it's pretty easy to tell people to get over themselves.

But yeah, there was definitely some overreaction.

Paracord

grey_so_what wrote: »

I'd love to know who is in the basement.....

That wasn't Bev who was deep breathing/panting down there!....

This has been bugging me since that scene but I have a theory that fits with the Japanese themed titles of the episodes. Its just a theory mind you but it would make sense. There is a practice in Japan called Ikizukuri. It's the practice of eating live fish. I have seen different variations of this where the entire fishes flank is removed and you are then shown the fish still swimming around minus a flank.

Why would Hannibal not honour GJH's and Abigails practice of not letting anything go to waste? He has a penchant for dispensing murder in ways apt to the victim.

Sudden Valley

I guess we should have seen it coming since none of the lab rats got that much screen time in the first season. They only gave one of them more lines to make their death seem to matter. Since Jack Crawfords wife is dying i guess that means Jack would be safe as the only remaining non-white!

Heckler

Bumping such a great show. Latest episode was fantastic. Spoilers ahead !! The build up to the Hannibal/Crawford show down is brilliant. Can"t wait. Just disappointed that I can't see how they can make such a good third series.

TwoShedsJackson

2.06 probably the best episode of this show yet. Raul Esparza, playing Chilton, is doing an incredible job, as are all the actors.

Hannibal winking at Chilton was great, the 'census taker' line, Hannibal's dinner scene with Gideon, Crawford finding Miriam Lass in the well (this must be who/what Bev was looking at and hearing in Hannibal's basement

- this show is ludicrously good.

The Black Oil

2.06

Some nicely pointed scenes in this. Jack/Will, Will/Hannibal, Jack/Gideon. Then Hannibal pulled the dinner party trigger, and the Tree Man.

Everyone should cook with clay, not least for the food porn factor. And they should also walk their dogs in an Autumnal forest.

Composition complete. Welcome back, Miriam.
Census taker...

degausserxo

Forget Lecter being discovered, I'm more excited about seeing

Will reunited with his dogs next week!

grey_so_what

What a fantastic episode.....

I just loved the bit with Gideon sitting at the table....

"Shall I carve?"

"I think you already did".....

:eek::eek::eek:

Paracord

Did anyone else think Gideon's meal looked delicious? Even knowing what it was I would be tempted! :P

expectationlost

fantastic that Gideon could be out creeped by Hannibal

Sudden Valley

I like the show but the ease with which Hannibal was able to get into a hospital and abduct a patient and leave his various bodies around in artful poses throughout the series is bordering on the ridiculous . I also wished they would introduce some other plausible alternative to Hannibal as the Chesapeake Ripper. I feel that the story is being written by the same writers who wrote late season Dexter- How Hannibal is not being a suspect for more people, I don't know.

FlyingIrishMan

Sudden Valley wrote: »

I like the show but the ease with which Hannibal was able to get into a hospital and abduct a patient and leave his various bodies around in artful poses throughout the series is bordering on the ridiculous . I also wished they would introduce some other plausible alternative to Hannibal as the Chesapeake Ripper. I feel that the story is being written by the same writers who wrote late season Dexter- How Hannibal is not being a suspect for more people, I don't know.

Ah now, get out with that. Season 8 of Dexter was a disgrace, Hannibal whilst having some slight mistakes is still amazingly written. You need to suspend your disbelief a little for most shows, probably more so in Hannibal's case. But it has always been the way in all variations of the Hannibal story.

In Silence of the Lambs

he was able to murder the guards and string them up, and decorate the place all whilst under high security watch, with about 30 guards in the building.

You just have to let yourself believe that Hannibal is capable of all this.


As for that episode, amazing. Easily the best show on television at the moment. I'm continuously surprised at how far NBC allows them to take things. Although they may cancel it, they deserve props for not being too restrictive.

Sudden Valley

Yeah maybe I'm being too harsh even mentioning Dexter in the same sentence as Hannibal but his artful posing does remind me uncomfortably of the villain in season six of Dexter who was also posing his victims in public places and not being caught. I preferred season 1 of Hannibal where he could do all these things because he wasn't under suspicion at the time. Still the series is infinitely more enjoyable then the 2001 film "Hannibal".

Ipso

grey_so_what wrote: »

I'd love to know who is in the basement.....

That wasn't Bev who was deep breathing/panting down there!....

I think the scene may be a nod to a scene in Silence of the Lambs. Either Chilton or Graham mentioned an agent had to resign after discovering Lector's basement.

Lovely Bloke

That body with the flowers was visually stunning.

The scene with Gideon though :eek: - when I realised what Hannibal had done, great writing.

JP Liz V1

Sky Living has season 2 starting on May 6

Ipso

Paracord wrote: »

This has been bugging me since that scene but I have a theory that fits with the Japanese themed titles of the episodes. Its just a theory mind you but it would make sense. There is a practice in Japan called Ikizukuri. It's the practice of eating live fish. I have seen different variations of this where the entire fishes flank is removed and you are then shown the fish still swimming around minus a flank.

Why would Hannibal not honour GJH's and Abigails practice of not letting anything go to waste? He has a penchant for dispensing murder in ways apt to the victim.

In Hannibal lore, his Uncles wife was Japanese. That may be the source of the titles.

Soft Falling Rain

I've only got into the show and bar some leaps, I've quite enjoyed it. The only thing that has irked me somewhat was Jack's initial pigheadedness towards Will (though he does seem to be finally coming around), and Alana's flip flopping flakiness. For a guy they seemed quite fond of they seemed very quick to pass judgement and disown him respectively. Hopefully Will tells both of them to get fcuked once he's released.

Paracord

I must say, the writing for this show just keeps improving. Hannibal's scheme this week was truly a stroke of genius.

Mr E

Great episode.... Hannibal's long game was genius (but a bit ridiculous, to be honest). It made for good TV, though.

I wonder if the showdown between Hannibal and Jack was/will be a result of something happening to Will? Switching from Will to Clarice in Season 3 is probably necessary at this stage - I think the Jack/Will/Hannibal story has almost gone as far as it can go.

Is the percussive jazz score annoying anyone else as much as it is me?

Soft Falling Rain

Mr E wrote: »

Great episode.... Hannibal's long game was genius (but a bit ridiculous, to be honest). It made for good TV, though.

I wonder if the showdown between Hannibal and Jack was/will be a result of something happening to Will? Switching from Will to Clarice in Season 3 is probably necessary at this stage - I think the Jack/Will/Hannibal story has almost gone as far as it can go.

Is the percussive jazz score annoying anyone else as much as it is me?

Unless the writers have given away that they plan to bring Clarice in, I'd prefer if they stuck with Will to bring down Hannibal. This show IMO is not designed to go on season after season and I think it'd be a bit pointless to have Clarice play the same cat and mouse game with Hannibal that Will did.

degausserxo

I remember watching an interview with the creator where he said that the production company of the Silence of the Lambs still own and don't plan on giving up the copyright to Clarice's character, so I doubt we'll be seeing her for a while, if ever.

FlyingIrishMan

Mr E wrote: »

Great episode.... Hannibal's long game was genius (but a bit ridiculous, to be honest). It made for good TV, though.

I wonder if the showdown between Hannibal and Jack was/will be a result of something happening to Will? Switching from Will to Clarice in Season 3 is probably necessary at this stage - I think the Jack/Will/Hannibal story has almost gone as far as it can go.

Is the percussive jazz score annoying anyone else as much as it is me?

They still have a lot more of the books to cover. Fuller said the silence of the lambs book won't be until season 5.

NotorietyH

Mr E wrote: »

Great episode.... Hannibal's long game was genius (but a bit ridiculous, to be honest). It made for good TV, though.

I wonder if the showdown between Hannibal and Jack was/will be a result of something happening to Will? Switching from Will to Clarice in Season 3 is probably necessary at this stage - I think the Jack/Will/Hannibal story has almost gone as far as it can go.

Is the percussive jazz score annoying anyone else as much as it is me?

There's still the Red Dragon plot to get through. Silence of the Lambs will be around season 5 I think. They don't have the rights to Silence of the Lambs, but can do a similar plot. Interestingly Hannibal's patient Franklin and Tobias the cello killer were originally intended to be James Gumb/Buffalo Bill and his lover who's head was in the jar in Silence.

The Black Oil

2.07

The Bloom/Wil/dog reunion seemed about right, and they took full advantage of the snow and sunlight there, pretty!

I didn't think the Chilton thing was going to escalate that quickly, even though it was heading that way. Miriam shooting him - understandable, but standard TV bollocks, imo. Credit to Chlumsky for her performance through the episode. I was a tad confused at one point - when the went back to Hannibal's office with Jack in tow - I thought it was a flashback until she asked him about his art.

Will scrubs up well - 'where shall we begin?', I smiled.

grey_so_what

The Black Oil wrote: »

2.07

The Bloom/Wil/dog reunion seemed about right, and they took full advantage of the snow and sunlight there, pretty!

Apple Sauce....Will's face when she said that.....:eek:

I didn't think the Chilton thing was going to escalate that quickly, even though it was heading that way. Miriam shooting him - understandable, but standard TV bollocks, imo. Credit to Chlumsky for her performance through the episode. I was a tad confused at one point - when the went back to Hannibal's office with Jack in tow - I thought it was a flashback until she asked him about his art.

Will scrubs up well - 'where shall we begin?', I smiled.

I think this is where Will has made up this mind to overcome....

Can't wait for the outcome.....

I am loving this series....:)

Sudden Valley

NotorietyH wrote: »

There's still the Red Dragon plot to get through. Silence of the Lambs will be around season 5 I think. They don't have the rights to Silence of the Lambs, but can do a similar plot. Interestingly Hannibal's patient Franklin and Tobias the cello killer were originally intended to be James Gumb/Buffalo Bill and his lover who's head was in the jar in Silence.

I don't think they can go anywhere near the film plots as those stories are too familiar and told well enough the first time. I think they will have a long story arc involving a new serial killer because two seasons of just having Hannibal kill people and getting away with is becoming a bit ridiculous. If that continued and Will thought the justice system was too incompetent to catch Hannibal then he would inevitably have to kill Hannibal or all his victims would be on his conscience.

poundapunnet

Showrunner Bryan Fuller does an indepth interview here every week. As far as I can tell he's penciled in stuff from Silence of The Lambs for about season 5 but there's copyright issues because of the film, specifically regarding the character of Clarice; and he's hoping to have those worked out by the time they get to that.

Also

going by what he's said and the fight scene from episode one Hannibal is going to be on the ropes by the end of this run

NotorietyH

Sudden Valley wrote: »

I don't think they can go anywhere near the film plots as those stories are too familiar and told well enough the first time. I think they will have a long story arc involving a new serial killer because two seasons of just having Hannibal kill people and getting away with is becoming a bit ridiculous. If that continued and Will thought the justice system was too incompetent to catch Hannibal then he would inevitably have to kill Hannibal or all his victims would be on his conscience.

Well without getting into spoilers too much the creator of the show is planning Red Dragon

for season 4 and Silence for 5

. He's already taken elements of those two stories and reworked them for the TV show so I'd be confident they'd be able to put their own spin on them, as they have to now. And the way season 2 started, the opening scene, I don't think it's too much of spoiler to say his plans for season 3 are

Hannibal as a fugitive, which I imagine will taken in elements from the book Hannibal

. He's stated this in a lot of interviews.

loveisdivine

The Black Oil wrote: »

2.07

I was a tad confused at one point - when the went back to Hannibal's office with Jack in tow - I thought it was a flashback until she asked him about his art.

I think the first few seconds, where she was stood at the door and it was in black and white was meant to be a sort of split second flashback. Then it changed back to colour and Jack appeared behind her.

The Black Oil

2.08

Here fishy, fishy.

Well, if the final horse bit doesn't register on your wtf-o-meter I don't know what will. And it's always good to see Jeremy Davies. Hannibal keeps his particular brand of therapy ticking over whilst still investing in Bloom. Having her actually involved in an investigation again was welcome. Plus, the show hitting its visual high notes, again.

My favourite part was perhaps when Will told Hannibal that he finally found him interesting, and the general chess game between them. Don't lie to me...

Mr E

Lots of great lines in this one..


"It was my turn to provide the meat"

And...

"You might want to crawl back in there if you know what's good for you."

I think the bird used was a starling too (wink wink)

Temaz

Lot of talk from people here about a season 5 etc

I'd be amazed if the show doesn't get the axe well before a potential season 5!

I love the show but I can't see it making it that far.

Maybe another network would pick it up but I don't know enough about network politics to say for certain.

TwoShedsJackson

Temaz wrote: »

Lot of talk from people here about a season 5 etc

I'd be amazed if the show doesn't get the axe well before a potential season 5!

I love the show but I can't see it making it that far.

Maybe another network would pick it up but I don't know enough about network politics to say for certain.

They're talking more about what Fuller has said he plans to do in Season 5 etc. he has a 7 season arc mapped out, he says.

It was surprising it got renewed for a 2nd season given the ratings, but maybe someone at NBC has realised that it might be nice if they had one show that got critical acclaim, a devoted following, and was actually achieving something in visual style, decent acting etc.

If it does get axed after this season (eminently possible), Amazon amongst others are reported to be interested in taking it on.

NotorietyH

It's also costing NBC a lot less to produce than other shows, as it's co-financed with Gaumont and the budget is relatively small anyway. Foreign sales of the show are strong too. Doesn't mean that they won't drop it, but it's not a given and means the ratings aren't quite as important as they would be with other shows. There's other options out there besides outright cancellation. They could create a deal with someone else along the lines of what they did with Friday Night lights and Direct TV.

I think the show not being on Netflix but Hulu hurts it, as it's the kind of show that's hard to jump into in season 2 or any point in it, and it's not as easy for people to catch up on it, or check it out on a whim on Netflix.

Jasnah

Talk about an awkward dinner table.

Ipso

Looks like a certain pig fan is going to make an appearance.

TwoShedsJackson

Best line yet in the series:

Peter, is your social worker in that horse?

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Soft Falling Rain

Ipso wrote: »

Looks like a certain pig fan is going to make an appearance.

Michael Pitt of Boardwalk Empire fame (Jimmy Darmody) has signed up.

expectationlost

great last scene, evil, but if graham is faking it?

expectationlost

although if Jack Crawford finally suspects Hannibal he's remarkably calm about it

Temaz

expectationlost wrote: »

although if Jack Crawford finally suspects Hannibal he's remarkably calm about it

Larry Fishburne is cooler than the other side of the pillow.

Yamanoto

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

Michael Pitt of Boardwalk Empire fame (Jimmy Darmody) has signed up.

Always found him a terribly wooden actor tbh.

There was talk that he'd been written out of the show for being pretty insufferable on set.

Mr E

"Even Steven."