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Yep, and free fees has contributed massively to that. Also since their introduction there's been no increase in the proportion of students in third level from the bottom of the socio-economic pile, only the middle classes.
It's essentially a trap designed for the interests of the colleges and employment venues. They won't tell you this, but that is the truth. I always read between the lines, they won't fool me. I mean come on, a degree in ****ing hotel management? What the fuuuu
30 years ago, you just did whateveer you need to do for most jobs. They want to control every aspect of your life these days tbh.
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TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »It's essentially a trap designed for the interests of the colleges and employment venues. They won't tell you this, but that is the truth. I always read between the lines, they won't fool me. I mean come on, a degree in ****ing hotel management? What the fuuuu 30 years ago, you just did whateveer you need to do for most jobs. They want to control every aspect of your life these days tbh.
I smell a conspiracy...
Free fees or student loans? Have heard that about both. :pac:
IMO there should be no non-researching teaching posts in anything that wants to be called something better than an IFE. Some of the spending in colleges just makes me want to cry. In Dundalk IT a whole building was bought and renovated for the "creative arts" while the electronics students have to vouch for every resistor that's taken. :pac:0 -
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Try The Netherlands, costs around €1800 p.a., got top unis and lower living costs than in Ireland.
Best of all: hundreds of degrees in English, no need to learn dutch
Edit: didn't read through all 9 pages, been mentioned already.
Speaking of rankings, it's often better to look at the ranking by subject than by university, UCD for example does much better on business than as a whole...0 -
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Compare the average pay generally / cost of living in Europe to Ireland while you're at it.TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »*Ring Ring* Angella Merkel would like to have a word with you. We overpay Senior Academics in this country. Compare the average pay in Europe to here if you don't believe me.
I wouldn't totally disagree with you, but when you take relativity into account the issue is generally exaggerated by those seeking cheap soundbites.
And internationally, these rankings are viewed as subjective (and generally biased towards the American system) and quite crude tools indeed.TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »Not trying to have a go at you, but what you "think" does not matter. These are the rankings used internationally. It's not right, but that is how it is. These rankings are influential. Very crude system, but it's the tool of the trade.0 -
randylonghorn wrote: »Compare the average pay generally / cost of living in Europe to Ireland while you're at it.
I wouldn't totally disagree with you, but when you take relativity into account the issue is generally exaggerated by those seeking cheap soundbites.
And internationally, these rankings are viewed as subjective (and generally biased towards the American system) and quite crude tools indeed.
Fair points. I do think that we underpay second level teachers here, given what they have to put up with. Third Level is a little cushier from what I have seen myself. Of course, this is open to dispute.0 -
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Again, I wouldn't disagree entirely, but it varies hugely and there's a lot of work which is pretty invisible to students tbh.TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »Third Level is a little cushier from what I have seen myself.
I would also say that it isn't anything like as "cushy" as 20 / 30 years ago, just listening to the old-timers!
But if you're lucky enough to have a permanent lecturing post in a Uni, in a department which has small numbers of students, and you're a lazy bugger who does the absolute minimum: basic teaching hours; pottering around making a big deal of a small bit of research; never getting involved in developing new courses or even the internal admin / co-ordination with the department ... then yes, you still won't die from overwork.
Not that many get away with that these days though.
Most departments have seen a huge upsurge in student numbers over the last 20 / 25 years without anything like the same increase in staff, and that's not even looking at the last 3 / 4 years in particular, when student numbers have shot up and the embargo means approx. 1 in 3 staff who leave are replaced.
Many departments are now heavily reliant on occasional, contract or part-time staff ... too heavily actually, and that's another factor which does us no good in those tables you were talking about.
The pressure to research and publish has increased hugely over the last couple of decades (and it's hard to argue with that, certainly).
But one of the real problems is the exponential increase in paperwork and admin and general bureaucracy and so on that no-one can avoid completely, and that takes up I'd say 40-50% of many academic's work hours. It's partly the result of massification and the huge increase in numbers; it's partly because because QA systems are far too paper-trail obsessed these days; and let's be honest, it's partly because bureaucracy breeds flaming bureaucracy!! >.<0 -
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TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »It's essentially a trap designed for the interests of the colleges and employment venues. They won't tell you this, but that is the truth. I always read between the lines, they won't fool me. I mean come on, a degree in ****ing hotel management? What the fuuuu 30 years ago, you just did whateveer you need to do for most jobs. They want to control every aspect of your life these days tbh.
I smell a conspiracy...
What do mean a degree in ****ing hotel management? .....??????0
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