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4 pints of beer = "hazardous drinking" now...

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    #302
    Yahew
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    stimpson wrote: »
    If its such a poison the how do you explain studies showing that moderate drinkers live longer than teetotalers?

    Isn't there something in red wine which slows down ageing?


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    #303
    Yahew
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    old hippy wrote: »
    Is 4 pints a night moderate?

    Sigh. Your inability to understand what is going on is tiresome. This thread is not about people drinking 120 pints a month.


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    #304
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Yahew wrote: »
    Normal and common are synonyms.

    On most occasions, but here I mean medically normal, and also that it's not enough to get one drunk.

    And I agree that in that latter sense it's normal for most Irish people, but a medical report can't go by that.

    Basically, drinking 4 pints occasionally doesn't affect most Irish people to a great extent (though quite a few Irish people drink far more than that, drinking to unhealthy levels) but that doesn't make it a universal truth that drinking 4 pints is always fine.


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    #305
    Joshua Jones
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    I feel it only proper to warn people that I will be partaking in some hazardous drinking for the match tonight.


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    #306
    Pherekydes
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    The King of Moo wrote: »
    ...but that doesn't make it a universal truth that drinking 4 pints is always fine.

    The point of the thread is that 4 pints in one go is implied as being [always] hazardous or binge drinking, which is nonsense.


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    #307
    stimpson
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    Yahew wrote: »
    Isn't there something in red wine which slows down ageing?

    Yep, but it's not just red wine drinkers. The same study also showed heavy drinkers had a lower mortality rate than teetotalers.

    If people think its hazardous to drink 4 pints on an evening out then I'd like to see it supported with a little evidence. Instead we get anecdotes from people who have had issues with alcohol in the past and assume everyone who likes a few pints has a problem.


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    #308
    The King of Moo
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    Pherekydes wrote: »
    The point of the thread is that 4 pints in one go is implied as being [always] hazardous or binge drinking, which is nonsense.

    I agree that for most people it's not hazardous but for a minority it is.

    And reports like this have to err on the side of caution, so even though I think the report's figures are exaggerated, I don't think it's surprising that they are.


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    #309
    stimpson
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    The King of Moo wrote: »
    I agree that for most people it's not hazardous but for a minority it is.

    And reports like this have to err on the side of caution

    More nonsense. Reports like this have to be accurate. Either they have a scientific basis or they are merely opinion. It's a fluff piece to soften the blow when they put up the price of alcohol in the budget.


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    #310
    The King of Moo
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    stimpson wrote: »
    More nonsense. Reports like this have to be accurate. Either they have a scientific basis or they are merely opinion. It's a fluff piece to soften the blow when they put up the price of alcohol in the budget.

    The problem is that everyone reacts to alcohol differently so to be completely accurate you'd need a report for every person.

    Which is impossible, so what I'm sure they did was choose a conservative figure to play it safe.


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    #311
    wingsof daun
    Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭wingsof daun


    We are a nation of drinkers. Under traditional Catholic and Prodestant laws it's all cool. It's dictatorial laws from our arrogant leaders in the Dail that made up new drinking laws for driving and 4 pints is hazardous blah blah. We are supposed to be in a democracy! Where is it, I ask?? The people never consulted about these laws. Not fair!


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    #312
    stimpson
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    The King of Moo wrote: »
    The problem is that everyone reacts to alcohol differently so to be completely accurate you'd need a report for every person.

    Which is impossible, so what I'm sure they did was choose a conservative figure to play it safe.

    You don't need to study everyone. You need to study a reasonably sized sample and you can then say that x pints may be hazzardous for y% of the population. You can publish your findings and they can be peer reviewed. It's called science. If we're basing public policy on someone skewing data to "play it safe" then we've got problems.


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    #313
    [Deleted User]
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    I wish 4 pints was all I drank last night, my stomach feels like boiled shi*e!


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    #314
    bryaner
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    Carly Pitiful Cellar wrote: »
    I wish 4 pints was all I drank last night, my stomach feels like boiled shi*e!

    Pints of what? I had 7 stouts my self must say I'm tip top..


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    [Deleted User]
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    bryaner wrote: »
    Pints of what? I had 7 stouts my self must say I'm tip top..

    I could rephrase to "I wish I only had 7 pints" to be honest. Had around 7 Guinness, few hot whiskeys, jäger bombs, vodka and red bulls etc. I'm not too bad in fairness just don't feel like doing the few things I have to do today!


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    #316
    bryaner
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    Carly Pitiful Cellar wrote: »
    I could rephrase to "I wish I only had 7 pints" to be honest. Had around 7 Guinness, few hot whiskeys, jäger bombs, vodka and red bulls etc.

    Ugh I feel for you..


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    #317
    old hippy
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    Yahew wrote: »
    Sigh. Your inability to understand what is going on is tiresome. This thread is not about people drinking 120 pints a month.

    And I'm asking whether or not 4 pints is moderate.


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    #318
    Yahew
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    old hippy wrote: »
    And I'm asking whether or not 4 pints is moderate.

    You asked:


    Is 4 pints a night moderate?


    No, not every night. Occasionally, yes.


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    #319
    stimpson
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    old hippy wrote: »
    And I'm asking whether or not 4 pints is moderate.

    I would consider it moderate, unless it's every night. I went out Friday night and had 6 pints. I had a couple of cans at home Saturday night - maybe 4 pints. I probably won't drink again until next weekend, although I may have a pint with lunch one day this week.

    Do you think that is moderate or not?


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    #320
    old hippy
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    stimpson wrote: »
    I would consider it moderate, unless it's every night. I went out Friday night and had 6 pints. I had a couple of cans at home Saturday night - maybe 4 pints. I probably won't drink again until next weekend, although I may have a pint with lunch one day this week.

    Do you think that is moderate or not?

    Compared to my intake, yes, I guess it is.


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    #321
    stimpson
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    old hippy wrote: »
    Compared to my intake, yes, I guess it is.

    I don't mean relatively moderate. Do you think it's moderate for an average person?


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    #322
    old hippy
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    stimpson wrote: »
    I don't mean relatively moderate. Do you think it's moderate for an average person?

    Depends on the individual. What is the "average person", anyways?


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    #323
    stimpson
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    old hippy wrote: »
    Depends on the individual. What is the "average person", anyways?

    Now you're just being evasive.


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    #324
    old hippy
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    stimpson wrote: »
    Now you're just being evasive.

    When it comes to the drink there is no "average", there is no level playing field - alcohol affects the individual different to the next.


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    #325
    stimpson
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    old hippy wrote: »
    When it comes to the drink there is no "average", there is no level playing field - alcohol affects the individual different to the next.

    OK, do you think it would be excessive for most people?


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    #326
    old hippy
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    stimpson wrote: »
    OK, do you think it would be excessive for most people?

    My mate who died a couple of years ago - 2 was his limit.

    My mate who may well die in a few years - the sky's the limit...

    Depends on the individual. 4 pints ever so often is probably not excessive, 4 pints a night would be, IMHO


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    #327
    stimpson
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    old hippy wrote: »
    My mate who died a couple of years ago - 2 was his limit.

    My mate who may well die in a few years - the sky's the limit...

    Depends on the individual. 4 pints ever so often is probably not excessive, 4 pints a night would be, IMHO

    And there you go. According to the OP, it is excessive.
    "Hazardous drinking is defined as drinking four or more pints of beer at a session. 'Regular' means at least once a month, according to the EU and WHO," she said.


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    #328
    MOH
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    stimpson wrote: »
    And there you go. According to the OP, it is excessive.

    Looking back at the OP claim that the WHO define drinking more than 4 pints more than once a month as excessive - I can't find any reference to that on the WHO website.

    They do have an interesting report on alcohol consumption, in which "Heavy episodic drinkers" are defined as having "60g or more of pure alcohol on at least on occasion weekly".

    Based on about 30 seconds of research, there appear to be about 10g of alcohol in half a pint of 5% beer, so 3 pints in a go once weekly would fall into that category. Which is possibly more alarming than the 4 pint session once a month in the OP.


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    #329
    bryaner
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    MOH wrote: »
    Looking back at the OP claim that the WHO define drinking more than 4 pints more than once a month as excessive - I can't find any reference to that on the WHO website.

    They do have an interesting report on alcohol consumption, in which "Heavy episodic drinkers" are defined as having "60g or more of pure alcohol on at least on occasion weekly".

    Based on about 30 seconds of research, there appear to be about 10g of alcohol in half a pint of 5% beer, so 3 pints in a go once weekly would fall into that category. Which is possibly more alarming than the 4 pint session once a month in the OP.

    Thats still funny..


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