4 pints of beer = "hazardous drinking" now...

Yahew

I really doubt that if a guy presented himself to a practising gp with some issue, or other, and when asked about his drinking habits mentioned that he never drinks at home, never goes to restaurants but is allowed out once a month to play dominos with some friends consuming 4 pints over the three hours - that a doctor in the real world would test his liver.

its < 2 units a week. It aint hazardous.

Ah nuts

We all know these people can't count anymore. 3.6 billion. Cough. They meant to say 14 pints. Now of to the pub for ten pints to ease any anxiety caused.

seamus

"Cut down on your drinking" is actually a fairly stock response from doctors.

My wife does the doctor's exams in RCSI where she pretends to be a patient (she's given a scenario) and the trainee doctors ask questions to try and recommended treatment, etc.

One thing that never fails to make her laugh is that no matter how much alcohol the scenario says that she drinks (usually it's "a glass of wine with dinner once or twice a week"), the doctors will recommend that she drink less. Foreigners (from the Middle East in particular) will sometimes say that her drinking is the reason she's ill, or recommend that she get counselling for her "drinking problem".

bryaner

Mmmmmm this is putting a thirst on me, think I might go nuts and have 4 pints of stout..:eek:

Fremen

An alcoholic is someone you don't like, who drinks more than you.

yoyo

Its probably just paving the way for the bastards to increase the price of drink in the budget, or even better to "think of the poor children" get off license drink to have a minimum pricing applied... 4 pints is hazerdous? Just wow, I drink twice a week usually, this weekend I had 9 cans each night, I don't consider this an issue, either would most people who enjoy a drink at the weekend in this country.

Nick

Hank Scorpio

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I'm calling Shanegans.

Show me someone who isn't an alcoholic who is not pissed after 8 units of Alcohol.

EDIT- A Pint is 2 Units, just so ya know

Sorry that is utter rubbish, unless by pissed you mean a little tipsy, even then I know people that wouldn't by tipsy after 6 cans. Everyone has different tolerance levels, please don't generalize.

Helix

Helix wrote: »

in ireland or the uk yeah, but anywhere else in the world itll get you funny looks for the most part

Im growing tired reading that its only Ireland and the UK where we like to go and get pissed.
I regularly go on big sessions, all day sessions etc with friends from Italy, France etc. Some are out just as often as me and drink just as much.

Plenty of people from outside the UK and Ireland love getting hammered just like we do.

4 pints 2 or 3 times per week isn't heavy drinking never mind trying to claim doing it once per month is.

McTigs

I meet my wife and daughter every friday after work, we have a bite to eat and i have two pints with this. Then home for the evening and i'll have one but maybe two bottles (500ml almost a pint size) on the couch after the kid is gone to bed for the night. My wife will have about half that.

Saturday is usually anonther couch night (after a good saturday spent doing family stuff, always outside weather permitting) but this time we'll share a bottle of wine.... but maybe two if there's a good film on worth staying up for.

Pehaps a cheeky pint on sunday afternoons.

Rest of the week nada.

Seriously, do need to sign myself up somewhere? is this too much? Maybe my normal isn't normal, i dunno.

SEPT 23 1989

McTigs wrote: »

I meet my wife and daughter every friday after work, we have a bite to eat and i have two pints with this. Then home for the evening and i'll have one but maybe two bottles (500ml almost a pint size) on the couch after the kid is gone to bed for the night. My wife will have about half that.

Saturday is usually anonther couch night (after a good saturday spent doing family stuff, always outside weather permitting) but this time we'll share a bottle of wine.... but maybe two if there's a good film on worth staying up for.

Pehaps a cheeky pint on sunday afternoons.

Rest of the week nada.

Seriously, do need to sign myself up somewhere? is this too much? Maybe my normal isn't normal, i dunno.

Your a danger to yourself and your family:D

HellFireClub

Wertz wrote: »

The report's author is currently speaking on the news at one...

Have to wonder about the convenient timing of a report like this though... just in time for a budget and alongside all the other noises being made th past few weeks about minimum alcohol pricing seem to be trying to "nudge" public opinion and perhaps the attitudes of some TD's.

She did make a fair point about the levels of alcohol abuse in under 18s mind you... I don't think that there can be any doubt that abuse of drink in young teens is damgain to both them and society in general...and you have to think that price and availability aren't the only contributing factors here...the fact that the majority probably see one or both parents drinking regaulalrly from an early age and consider it the nomr and pehraps the thing to aspire to as a measure of maturity...

You're not far off the mark at all there on that one...

The Minister for Drugs, Roisin Shortall, has again signalled her intention to introduce a minimum price for the sale of drink in supermarkets.

Ms Shortall said the time is right for a change to the way Irish people drink, both culturally and legally.

She has refused to rule out price increases in the forthcoming budget, but did say her focus is more on supermarkets and off licences who sell drink cheaply.

She made the comments at the launch of new research from the Alcohol Forum which found that more than half a million children are at risk in Ireland because of their parents' hazardous drinking.

Minister Shortall said a formal Alcohol Strategy will be published in the New Year.

Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/shortall-vows-minimum-alcohol-price-in-off-sales-and-supermarkets-527547.html#ixzz1d7jFrUDT

DontBanMe

"National Drinking Survey of 2010"

Where do they do these surveys? You read about them in all reports and I've never seen or heard of anyone actually participating in them. So I'm wondering to they select their audience tactically so it makes their reports more shocking thus helping with their cause??

TwoShedsJackson

Kanoe wrote: »

four pints is a lot for me but then I'm not able to drink pints, would down 6 or 7 shorts with mixers in a night though. I hate my daughter seeing me intoxicated (she's 17 and doesn't drink) but she'll make deals with me that work in her favour if I do go out. She gets the house for herself and her mates on Saturdays and I get to go out and as long as I don't make a lot noise when I come in alls good in da hood. (or I crash at a friends place and her mates crash at ours)

You have to make a deal with your DAUGHTER to be let go out for a few pints on a Saturday night? That's a sorry state of affairs.

sensibleken

Ben D Bus wrote: »

Comments like that make me cringe.

I like beer and I like wine, but I hate the alcohol culture where volume is what counts.

Most of my foreign friends, when they are being honest, say it's the most horrible thing about Ireland.


As apposed to what?


Alcohol does far more damage in Ireland than illegal drugs, but the latter is more visible.

Me having 4 pints over a whole night twice a week makes you cringe? Well your not invited then. so there.

Feisar

Ben D Bus wrote: »

Comments like that make me cringe.

I like beer and I like wine, but I hate the alcohol culture where volume is what counts.

Most of my foreign friends, when they are being honest, say it's the most horrible thing about Ireland.



As apposed to what?



Alcohol does far more damage in Ireland than illegal drugs, but the latter is more visible.

Sure if volume doesn't count what are you harping on about so?

sensibleken

Just to put this into perspective if someone goes out on a night out, say a relatively short one of four hours, and has one pint every hour, then if theyre not pissed they are an alcoholic.

I would not like to be in a round system with someone like that.

aN.Droid

I don't know about you but after 4 pints i am fairly on it..

flutered

i used to speak with a guy in the pub before i had to give up the drink, 8 large whiskeys and eight pints of guinness in less than two hours, i wonder what the good doctor classify him as.:D

DontBanMe

flutered wrote: »

i used to speak with a guy in the pub before i had to give up the drink, 8 large whiskeys and eight pints of guinness in less than two hours, i wonder what the good doctor classify him as.:D

I reckon their heads would explode as they sip their glass of pimms that would last them 3 months so as not to over do it!!

Snakeblood

It's getting so a man can't wake up covered in his own or possibly someone else's urine anymore.

reprazant

So it seems as if cheap booze from the supermarkets is about to go.

While, it is not something I agree with, it probably won't affect me that much since I don't really drink at home too much and what I drink is barely ever on offer.

Since most people in AH seemed to agree with the fat tax thing on the thread a while back, I am sure most will agree with this though. It would be pretty hypocritical otherwise really.

mikom

HellFireClub wrote: »

You're not far off the mark at all there on that one...

The Minister for Drugs, Roisin Shortall, has again signalled her intention to introduce a minimum price for the sale of drink in supermarkets.

Ms Shortall said the time is right for a change to the way Irish people drink, both culturally and legally.

She has refused to rule out price increases in the forthcoming budget, but did say her focus is more on supermarkets and off licences who sell drink cheaply.

She made the comments at the launch of new research from the Alcohol Forum which found that more than half a million children are at risk in Ireland because of their parents' hazardous drinking.

Minister Shortall said a formal Alcohol Strategy will be published in the New Year.

Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/shortall-vows-minimum-alcohol-price-in-off-sales-and-supermarkets-527547.html#ixzz1d7jFrUDT

Faith in government minus 10 points.
Lies and spoof fed to the public who they believe are too stupid to think for themselves.
Just lubing you up for another money racket folks.
They will put a "child protection" tax on on off licence and supermarket alcohol purchases with the lame excuse that we should all be drinking in pubs where the kindly barman can make sure we are safe.

Looks like the queen is about to make some more money off the Irish.

Dyr

seamus wrote: »

"Cut down on your drinking" is actually a fairly stock response from doctors.

My wife does the doctor's exams in RCSI where she pretends to be a patient (she's given a scenario) and the trainee doctors ask questions to try and recommended treatment, etc.

One thing that never fails to make her laugh is that no matter how much alcohol the scenario says that she drinks (usually it's "a glass of wine with dinner once or twice a week"), the doctors will recommend that she drink less. Foreigners (from the Middle East in particular) will sometimes say that her drinking is the reason she's ill, or recommend that she get counselling for her "drinking problem".

i genuinely don't drink much these days..might not see the inside of a pub from one end of a month to the next. But If I am out for the night I'd probably hit it hard enough. Problem is when a doctor asks me how much I drink I usually "go...em I don't really drink regularly...um.. Like I might go out once or twice a month, ehh..but I would drink a far bit if I'm out I guess..umm or I might only have three or four" I don't actually believe myself so I doubt that he does tbh

Wertz

We have a minister for drugs? Primary care I thought Shortarse was...

Someone asked where they do these surveys...I'd say much of the data is compiled from medical reports, where alcohol is listed as a contributing factor or a direct cause of admission to hospital or a doctor's visit or as a cause of death.
I don't think they go around the pubs with clipboards...

Feisar

http://members.iinet.net.au/~pontipak/redsquare.html

For the craic, I'm going to play this game sober and start drinking and play 10 games of it every half hour and report back on my findings. Will probably have around eight cans over the course of my research.

I don't like the whole "oh you had four drinks, your intoxicated" crowd.

Yes clearly I am unable to drive but how pissed is someone after four drinks?

Dyr

Also, when my ma and da went to the pub, we usually got ice cream and lemonade or burgers and chips when they came home..plus we got to stay up late. And if the old man went drinking in town I usually got toys or nick nacks from moore street brought back to me

So my childhood was enriched massively by alcohol. F**k you doktor von clausewitz, f**k you.

Feisar

LOL is anyone else getting an ad telling you to get a TV licence and telling you how many pints can be got in various UK cities with the £1000 fine? (I'm in Belfast)

OMG students, everything is valued of the amount of beer its worth!

lord lucan

mikom wrote: »

Faith in government minus 10 points.
Lies and spoof fed to the public who they believe are too stupid to think for themselves.
Just lubing you up for another money racket folks.
They will put a "child protection" tax on on off licence and supermarket alcohol purchases with the lame excuse that we should all be drinking in pubs where the kindly barman can make sure we are safe.

Looks like the queen is about to make some more money off the Irish.

This is the exact same crap they started with smoking,Continually linking it with a myriad of diseases and medical conditions. Keep pushing the message until it becomes part of the public psyche. Look at Smokers now,regarded as pariahs of society (but cash cows to the Government) . Myths(depending on who you believe) such as second hand smoke and lately third hand smoke have become part of society and the way people think.

Alcohol is now being targeted and this will only ramp up over time. I fully expect alcohol to be linked with all manner of conditions over the coming years. And lets not forget the assault on "sugary drinks" and "fatty foods". It's only the start of things imo.

MOH

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I'm calling Shanegans.

Show me someone who isn't an alcoholic who is not pissed after 8 units of Alcohol.

EDIT- A Pint is 2 Units, just so ya know

brophya2007 wrote: »

I'd normally drive home after 4 pints ffs - the piss water we get here.

Joke

Without any clear definition of "session", you could be fine to drive home after four pints. Go out at lunchtime, have two pints with a large meal, stay out for the day/night drinking mainly soft drinks, with two more pints along the way, and some more food later. It obviously depends on individual's metabolism, but I'd be very surprised if you're over the limit at midnight.

yoyo wrote: »

Its probably just paving the way for the bastards to increase the price of drink in the budget, or even better to "think of the poor children" get off license drink to have a minimum pricing applied...
Nick

This.
Fair enough, a lot of people in this country do drink far too much on a regular basis. But either this survey, or the reporting of it, is utter bull.
If four pints once a month is "hazardous", would three pints once a quarter be "unwise" and two pints once a year "irresponsible"?

Carly Pitiful Cellar wrote: »

Im growing tired reading that its only Ireland and the UK where we like to go and get pissed.
I regularly go on big sessions, all day sessions etc with friends from Italy, France etc. Some are out just as often as me and drink just as much.

Plenty of people from outside the UK and Ireland love getting hammered just like we do.

4 pints 2 or 3 times per week isn't heavy drinking never mind trying to claim doing it once per month is.

I know Swedes who can drink as most Irish people I know, which either they've suddenly discovered an innate talent for, or they were drinking before coming here.

reprazant

lord lucan wrote: »

This is the exact same crap they started with smoking,Continually linking it with a myriad of diseases and medical conditions. Keep pushing the message until it becomes part of the public psyche. Look at Smokers now,regarded as pariahs of society (but cash cows to the Government) . Myths(depending on who you believe) such as second hand smoke and lately third hand smoke have become part of society and the way people think.

Alcohol is now being targeted and this will only ramp up over time. I fully expect alcohol to be linked with all manner of conditions over the coming years. And lets not forget the assault on "sugary drinks" and "fatty foods". It's only the start of things imo.

Are you attempting to say that smoking is not bad for you?