Low fat food is a scam

Scanlas The 2nd

Spunge wrote: »

Are you in ketosis ?

I still eat carbs in the form of sweet potatoes and occasionally potatoes so probably not, I lift weights and I'm putting on muscle while losing fat.

aquaman

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Grains of any kind are bad for you. I've stopped eating grains and now fry my food in saturated fat (coconut oil) and eat loads of butter and over 20 eggs a week. My clothes are now hanging off me I've lost so much weight, and most importantly, I feel much better, lots of energy and I don't get tired/sleep at 3 o'clock.

Bad for you how?

I'm curious as I've not heard this arguement before.
I'm a believer that everything in moderation is pretty ok. And presumed that due to fibre and concentrated energy, wholegrains (porridge, brown rice etc) are pretty good foods to be eating.. Again in moderation.
Have not heard that they are bad food to be eating before...?

Scanlas The 2nd

aquaman wrote: »

Bad for you how?

I'm curious as I've not heard this arguement before.
I'm a believer that everything in moderation is pretty ok. And presumed that due to fibre and concentrated energy, wholegrains (porridge, brown rice etc) are pretty good foods to be eating.. Again in moderation.
Have not heard that they are bad food to be eating before...?

Cause autoimmune disease, cancer, diebetes, heart disease, make you fat, tired/less energy, lower libido.

Go 30 days only eating only real non processed food such as meat, fish, eggs, veg, fruit and nuts and see how you feel. You'll be a brand new person.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-grains-are-unhealthy/

Dudess

I wouldn't agree with the Atkins approach (as in, no carbs AT ALL - even those found in fruit and veg; you need fibre, and fuel for energy) but keeping them to a minimum is indeed healthier. Protein and fats are miles more important.

DjFlin wrote: »

The way I see it, if someone can produce a product that tastes just like another one, but isn't as unhealthy. Its worth paying the same price for.

Low-fat products are total muck. Eat them and you'll just feel really hungry shortly afterwards, and have a blood sugar crash if you're built that way.
Butter instead of low-fat spreads ftw. As long as big chunks of it aren't being eaten.

I generally don't buy conspiracy theories - but the dieting industry needs people to fail, otherwise it wouldn't exist.

aquaman

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Cause autoimmune disease, cancer, diebetes, heart disease, make you fat, tired/less energy, lower libido.

Go 30 days only eating only real non processed food such as meat, fish, eggs, veg, fruit and nuts and see how you feel. You'll be a brand new person.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-grains-are-unhealthy/

OK that's interesting. Thanks.
Link read and digested (pardon the pun). Until I do some more reading on the subject I'm going to take a sceptical view but will consider the contents.

Dudess

On the carbs thing again - I could be wrong but I get the impression some people break them down better than others. I have a body type to which carbs are definitely not suited - e.g. I know many people swear by porridge oats, but I'd actually feel better fed after one egg, and wouldn't have the massive hunger crash I'd experience a few hours after a bowl of porridge.

Paparazzo

Domo230 wrote: »

Personally I think food is a scam.

I mean have any of you actually tried to not eat food. We all believe the lies spread by the food industry that not eating will result in death.

Why are we content as a society to spend money on this marketing masquerading as Science? Is this some mass conspiracy to lower the average spending and brain power of the man on the street? One word: self preservation.

Yeah, i'm with you. It's the food companies or "big phood" that have us convinced we need it :mad:

PrincessLola

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Grains of any kind are bad for you. I've stopped eating grains and now fry my food in saturated fat (coconut oil) and eat loads of butter and over 20 eggs a week. My clothes are now hanging off me I've lost so much weight, and most importantly, I feel much better, lots of energy and I don't get tired/sleep at 3 o'clock.

You lost weight because you're consuming less calories then you're burning. End of.

I get that people are mad about the 'fat is EVIL!' myth, but is reacting by claiming 'carbs are EVIL!' really the answer? Some people can keep weight off while consuming grains as part of their diet.
Also, No-carb is perfectly fine if thats what to want to do, but if anyone mentions 'paleo' or 'caveman' I will assume you are an idiot.

mickrock

Dudess wrote: »

I wouldn't agree with the Atkins approach (as in, no carbs AT ALL - even those found in fruit and veg; you need fibre, and fuel for energy) but keeping them to a minimum is indeed healthier.

Atkins is low carbs, not no carbs.

YFlyer

eightyfish wrote: »

Organic food is a scam.

How so?

Logical Fallacy

PrincessLola wrote: »

Also, No-carb is perfectly fine if thats what to want to do, but if anyone mentions 'paleo' or 'caveman' I will assume you are an idiot.

I do the T-Rex diet, unless it weighs about 500lbs i don't eat it.

flahavaj

Low fat generally means high sugar which is hardly much better.

Logical Fallacy

flahavaj wrote: »

Low fat generally means high sugar which is hardly much better.

Exactly, fat = flavour country, you gotta replace it with something.

Normally sugar and salt in his doses.

IsaMtq

I don’t get low fat crisps. They say they have half the fat – well of course they do, they just halved the amount they put in the packet but still sell it for the same price.

RichieC

low fat always tastes ****..always... diet "sodas" taste like arse too.

maybe that's the trick though. more expensive so you can buy less and tastes like an arsehole so you don't even eat it.

Pdfile

mickrock wrote: »

It is a scam, not just monetarily but health-wise too.

Fat is an essential part of a healthy diet. Also it's not eating too much fat that makes people fat.

common sense is rare.... any time i mention " balanced diet " all i hear about is meat or soup only diets " that.... work...

Scanlas The 2nd

PrincessLola wrote: »

You lost weight because you're consuming less calories then you're burning. End of.

I get that people are mad about the 'fat is EVIL!' myth, but is reacting by claiming 'carbs are EVIL!' really the answer? Some people can keep weight off while consuming grains as part of their diet.
Also, No-carb is perfectly fine if thats what to want to do, but if anyone mentions 'paleo' or 'caveman' I will assume you are an idiot.

Who said carbs are evil? That's a figment of your imagination. Grains are the problem. I eat loads of carbs in the form of potatoes and sweet potatoes.

You can keep weight off eating grains but you are damaging your body by eating grains and will feel worse by eating them. End of.

I now eat a lot more calories than before I cut out grains and I lost weight and don't have a bloated stomach.

For breakfast this morning I had 2 pork chops brocolli and mushrooms and a glass of milk, I'll have a banana and apple for mid morning, then 2 chicken fillets and mixed veg for lunch. For dinner I'll have a big baked potatoe smothered in kerrygold, brocolli and two beef burgers from the butcher. Not two mention I fry my meat in saturated fat ( coconut oil).

I have done zero cardio since cutting out grains and I've lost 10 pounds. The only excercise I do is an hour or two of lifting weights a week.

--Kaiser--

PrincessLola wrote: »

You lost weight because you're consuming less calories then you're burning. End of.

I get that people are mad about the 'fat is EVIL!' myth, but is reacting by claiming 'carbs are EVIL!' really the answer? Some people can keep weight off while consuming grains as part of their diet.
Also, No-carb is perfectly fine if thats what to want to do, but if anyone mentions 'paleo' or 'caveman' I will assume you are an idiot.

I'm on what you might call a 'caveman' diet. Call me an idiot if you want but I can tell by the ignorance exuding from your post that I know a hell of a lot more about nutrition than you do

stupidusername

People seem so obsessed with fat and sugar etc but they seem to lose sight of the basic idea behind food. Its needed for all these different reasons,fat carbohydrates vitamins etc, and with moderation and regular exercise we wouldn't have to worry about any of that. Cook your own food, with fresh ingredients,vary your diet and you'll have nothing to worry about.

People are just idiots.

And the M&S campaign about their food having no hydrogented fats is bull****,all of them are quite high in salt in its place.

tjones64

every morning i pour myself a big bowl of shít pieces.
i eat pieces of shít for breakfast

Spunge

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Who said carbs are evil? That's a figment of your imagination. Grains are the problem. I eat loads of carbs in the form of potatoes and sweet potatoes.

You can keep weight off eating grains but you are damaging your body by eating grains and will feel worse by eating them. End of.

I now eat a lot more calories than before I cut out grains and I lost weight and don't have a bloated stomach.

For breakfast this morning I had 2 pork chops brocolli and mushrooms and a glass of milk, I'll have a banana and apple for mid morning, then 2 chicken fillets and mixed veg for lunch. For dinner I'll have a big baked potatoe smothered in kerrygold, brocolli and two beef burgers from the butcher. Not two mention I fry my meat in saturated fat ( coconut oil).

I have done zero cardio since cutting out grains and I've lost 10 pounds. The only excercise I do is an hour or two of lifting weights a week.

That all sounds pretty awesome.

saa

Well low fat is a load of bollox because of what they add in or substitute fats,
I will say sometimes if there is a diet option ben and jerrys ice cream its close enough to regular ice cream.

Its a load of marketing crap, there are a lot of different theories on weight loss because a lot of peoples bodies work in a lot of different ways.

Why is everyone, not touchy but so angry over this!

bnt

This "grains are evil" idea is a new one on me. Have you got an authoritative source for this?

ilovelamp2000

bnt wrote: »

This "grains are evil" idea is a new one on me. Have you got an authoritative source for this?

Western Society ?

Catari Jaguar

Weight watchers - "I put low fat butter on my WW approved white bread and low fat milk in my Special K and I'm not losing weight!!"

*head explodes*

--Kaiser--

bnt wrote: »

This "grains are evil" idea is a new one on me. Have you got an authoritative source for this?

http://www.direct-ms.org/pdf/EvolutionPaleolithic/Cereal%20Sword.pdf

SugarCoat

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Who said carbs are evil? That's a figment of your imagination. Grains are the problem. I eat loads of carbs in the form of potatoes and sweet potatoes.

You can keep weight off eating grains but you are damaging your body by eating grains and will feel worse by eating them. End of.

For breakfast this morning I had 2 pork chops brocolli and mushrooms and a glass of milk, I'll have a banana and apple for mid morning, then 2 chicken fillets and mixed veg for lunch. For dinner I'll have a big baked potatoe smothered in kerrygold, brocolli and two beef burgers from the butcher. Not two mention I fry my meat in saturated fat ( coconut oil).

I have done zero cardio since cutting out grains and I've lost 10 pounds. The only excercise I do is an hour or two of lifting weights a week.

agree 100% carbs have become the scapegoat for the damage flour and sugar cause.For the past 4 days i've replaced all my usual carbs with microwaved potatoes and i've already lost 1 1/2lbs eating 1500kcal per day.Tbh i'm already at goal weight but it's useful to know how to keep the weight off in future .

actually the best part is because the potatoes are satisying my starch craving i don't miss the bread,pasta or cereals.
here's some high carb paleo nutrition blogs if anyones interested

http://donmatesz.blogspot.com/
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/
http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

I now eat a lot more calories than before I cut out grains and I lost weight and don't have a bloated stomach.

There's even some evidence to suggest that our bodies will burn slightly less calories digesting processed foods rather than natural carbohydrates because the processed food is less work for for our bodies to digest.

So in other words the natural foods required more effort to digest possibly providing you with a slight calorie discount.

starlit

Low fat food is a cop out might have no fat in them but they are laden in sugar or hidden sugars. Natural sugar is better for you (what you get from fruit) than say processed sugar. You need a certain amount of it but not too much. You need sugar to oxidise your brain! As your brain floats in water and sugar!? You need sugar for energy too but carbs be a better option to give off energy in the body.

--Kaiser--

doovdela wrote: »

! As your brain floats in water and sugar!?

?

Dudess

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Who said carbs are evil? That's a figment of your imagination.

Ah in fairness, maybe it was people misinterpreting, but I remember around the time of the Atkins craze, about 10 years ago, people were cutting out carbs 100 per cent - as in, not even fruit and veg, resulting in ketosis, halitosis and perhaps other otises. :pac:
A girl in my class at the time was not unhealthily skinny, but very slender and subscribing to that extreme Atkins nonsense - maybe she could have done with toning up, but it was scary that she wouldn't even touch fruit.

MyKeyG

Dudess wrote: »

Ah in fairness, maybe it was people misinterpreting, but I remember around the time of the Atkins craze, about 10 years ago, people were cutting out carbs 100 per cent - as in, not even fruit and veg, resulting in ketosis, halitosis and perhaps other otises. :pac:
A girl in my class at the time was not unhealthily skinny, but very slender and subscribing to that extreme Atkins nonsense - maybe she could have done with toning up, but it was scary that she wouldn't even touch fruit.

Yes extreme Atkins! A diet can hardly be held up as nonsense when it's being abused by the dieter. I've used Atkins extremely responsibly and therefore very effectively. I got the idea from a friend who used it very extremely responsibly and therefore very effectively. Though I would only recommend it for people whose weight has become a physical/mental health threatening issue.

After the two week induction and for the last two years I enjoy carbohydrates and fruit like every one else.

Dudess

MyKeyG wrote: »

Yes extreme Atkins! A diet can hardly be held up as nonsense when it's being abused by the dieter. I've used Atkins extremely responsibly and therefore very effectively. I got the idea from a friend who used it very extremely responsibly and therefore very effectively. Though I would only recommend it for people whose weight has become a physical/mental health threatening issue.

I guess it's the "version" of it the person follows. I would say there are Atkins elements to my diet (high protein, bread/pasta not fully cut out but to an absolute minimum) - although I'm not overweight, it's just a diet that suits me well.

jenizzle

What the hell should you eat then? There was me nommin' on brownbread cos I thought it was ok! Spuds and steak for life, yeah?

christina_x

TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »

Now I am no genius or anything, but the concept of paying the same amount for less never quite crossed my mind as a good idea. Infact, any time I see "low fat" or "0% that" one word shines instantly in my mind like a blinding spotlight: Scam.

Why are we content as a society to spend money on this marketing masquerading as Science? Is this some mass conspiracy to lower the average spending and brain power of the man on the street? One word: self preservation.

Low fat me hole.

You're not getting less food... just less fat.
take a regular yogurt and a low fat yogurt... weight/vol is the same.. just the content has a lower % of fat

Ruu_Old

Whole foods is the way to go, simple as that.

--Kaiser--

Ruu wrote: »

Whole foods is the way to go, simple as that.

If you mean non-processed food I would agree with you
If you include whole-grains in that then I heartily disagree

TheyKnowMyIP

christina_x wrote: »

You're not getting less food... just less fat.
take a regular yogurt and a low fat yogurt... weight/vol is the same.. just the content has a lower % of fat

But the fat content is lower! Fat meets the definition of food, so for an equally dense yogurt - less fat results in less food. The food is pumped with aspartame to compensate - not real food. Mind you, I haven't eaten a yogurt in about a decade at this stage. Can't stand the stuff.

Seriously, I have lost more weight simply by ignoring these health "experts" and basically eating what I went when I want. There are days I will eat nothing but meat and red bull/coffee and get away with it. This "you have to eat xyz" and "balanced" diet is a bit of a joke.

Domo230

Domo230 wrote: »

Personally I think food is a scam.

I mean have any of you actually tried to not eat food. We all believe the lies spread by the food industry that not eating will result in death.

Yeah those hungerstrikers actually had to take cyanide pills on the sly to make it seem like they died from hunger when they realised food was a scam. And don't get me started on the cover-up they've got going on in many parts of Africa at this moment with all this 'starving children are dying' bs:rolleyes:

Scanlas The 2nd

jenizzle wrote: »

What the hell should you eat then? There was me nommin' on brownbread cos I thought it was ok! Spuds and steak for life, yeah?

Red Meat, fish, shellfish, Pork, Chicken, turkey, veg, fruit, berrie, nuts.

If you must eat grains white rice would be the least harmful, some would argue the harm would be insignificant, it depends on the individual for some of the grey area food categories such as Dairy and white rice.

du Maurier

Domo230 wrote: »

Personally I think food is a scam.

I mean have any of you actually tried to not eat food. We all believe the lies spread by the food industry that not eating will result in death.

Why are we content as a society to spend money on this marketing masquerading as Science? Is this some mass conspiracy to lower the average spending and brain power of the man on the street? One word: self preservation.

I dunno. Bobby Sands?

csi vegas

strobe wrote: »

Just eat fresh whole foods rather than 'processed'.

Yes. And they say if you knew what went into a sausage you wouldn't eat a sausage. Still...I do...

Also much better to eat a whole (well, not a whole) chicken as opposed to chicken fillets - seen that RTE documentary (What Are The Irish Eating)couple weeks ago where the fillets come from *name anywhere but not Ireland or UK* and you're looking at about a 12 day old piece of salined-up THING that's been sitting in a truck for half that and some manky warehouse thereafter, til packaging and arrival on a supermarket shelf near you, adorned with some dodgy sell-by date (not exactly RTE's words but mine, roughly translated).
Best to as I say buy full chicken with an Irish farmyard trace on it.
Some producer in Monaghan (I think) reckons there won't BE any Irish chicken farms in 10 years time.
Interestingly, in same programme people were asked did they ask (at deli counters, restaurants etc) where their chicken came from and all said that didn't really bother them.

A scientist also showed how you 'make' a ham/bacon joint and make it taste nice. The process was disgusting and involved hours of 'tumbling' in a big rotten barrel like a washing machine. Me nearly fainted. I always though a ham was a direct cut of meat but that it was SLICED ham that was processed. How wrong was I.

As for kebabs and hot dogs - connective tissue anyone???

Seriously thinking of going vegetarian a few days a week.
If meat is murder than meat is also guilty of manslaughter. Of us.

csi vegas

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

The food pyramid has to be the biggest scam ever . Wholegrains are not healthy, they cause heart disease, diabetes, autoimmune disease as well as cancer.

NO! Seriously??? NO! Is this true? Are we better off with a slice of dirty oul' white then???

csi vegas

Spunge wrote: »

They do have less calories though.

Yeah but the con about less calories in a (processed) food product (take yoghurt for example) only gives empty calories - meaning you'll be less full and less satisfied with what you've just eaten, so then you'll go off looking for something else to eat to fill up on = more food consumed = more calories overall.

Nuts are high in calories AND fat but GOOD fat and as for the calories well 'satisfying' calories, where you don't so much feel the need to eat soon/straight after.

csi vegas

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Grains of any kind are bad for you. I've stopped eating grains and now fry my food in saturated fat (coconut oil) and eat loads of butter and over 20 eggs a week. My clothes are now hanging off me I've lost so much weight, and most importantly, I feel much better, lots of energy and I don't get tired/sleep at 3 o'clock.

Wow! Good for you, congrats. Coconut oil sounds yummy, must purchase. As for all your eggs tho (averaging on 3 a day) watch that cholesterol...IF the whole scaremongering thing is true (which I doubt anyway)

csi vegas

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Grains of any kind are bad for you. I've stopped eating grains and now fry my food in saturated fat (coconut oil) and eat loads of butter and over 20 eggs a week. My clothes are now hanging off me I've lost so much weight, and most importantly, I feel much better, lots of energy and I don't get tired/sleep at 3 o'clock.

Spunge wrote: »

Are you in ketosis ?

Haha! The Lipotrim 'relaxed' version. Ketosis hahahaha! Maybe catatonia!

InTheTrees

doovdela wrote: »

Low fat food is a cop out might have no fat in them but they are laden in sugar or hidden sugars.

A lettuce isnt laden with sugar...

csi vegas

Spunge wrote: »

Are you in ketosis ?

Snakeblood wrote: »

But she was a lobbyist for Big Fat.

whirlpool wrote: »

*Thread moved to the nutrition forum.


Oh wait, I'm not a mod.

But if I was!! *shakes fist :mad: :cool:

Haha! True that! True that! Althought the thread did start life as a conspiracy theory (raises glass of filtered tap water to TheyKnowMyIP) before it became an issue of fat/calories/grains of any kind and of which I am guilty of participating in. Send me down!