FIFA HQ currently being picketed by the English Defence League

bobbysands81

TheBuilder wrote: »

How many of those games have been on the weekend of remembrance Sunday?



The over reaction against them wearing poppies is just as bad as those who are angry when people don't support them.

It petty tit-for-tat nonsense. If you don't support them, respect those who do, and vice-versa.

But the rules are there... and they want to break rules which they signed up to so more young men will be enticed into their needless wars.

Now if the rules are broken for one then surely they can be broken for all?

Where dos it stop?

FatherTed

My question is Why Now? I'm sure international matches have been played on this week before and I don't remember such an uproar then.

bobbysands81

TheBuilder wrote: »

And it seems these days if you do then you're a illegal war supporting scumbag or something along those lines.

Its nonsense now and getting beyond a joke, if someone wants to wear it let them, if they dont then that's fine as well.

But with the EDL it's now at the stage where neo-Nazi's are protesting about the right to wear a poppy commemorating people who died killing the Nazi's!

celtictiger32

bobbysands81 wrote: »

But the rules are there... and they want to break rules which they signed up to so more young men will be enticed into their needless wars.

Now if the rules are broken for one then surely they can be broken for all?

Where dos it stop?

i heard fiji want to wear grass skirts now instead of shorts:D

TheBuilder

bobbysands81 wrote: »

But with the EDL it's now at the stage where neo-Nazi's are protesting about the right to wear a poppy commemorating people who died killing the Nazi's!

For me there's normal human beings, then the EDL. Maybe if we ignore those mentalists they'll disappear.

Pro. F

tommyhaas wrote: »

There's lads who signed up because there's fook all other work aboutand have families to support, lads who are barely out of school, and others who don't even agree with the war, many of whom are essentially gone over as cannon fodder. To suggest they're facing just a gang of unarmed farmers, is in my mind, quiet misguided, as can be shown by the number of Soldiers killed, and the extent of the injuries some of these others come back with

I don't by any means support the British Army, but my issues would be with those pulling the strings, not the lads on the front line

Yes but the lads on the front lines can't be called heroes unless you think the wars are morally sound. Surely heroes have to be morally responsible as well. They sign up to be soldiers and then agree to go and fight in a morally bankrupt war. Then some of them get killed. Soldiers die.

The problem for me is like Theoneyedman says, the poppy charity has clearly been ramped up now since the Afghan and Iraqi wars and it is definitely being used to engage public support for those wars. It might well have been a worthwhile charity previously, but now it is fully in cahoots with this war effort.

FIFA are allowing a charity which supports the Iraqi and Afghan wars to be promoted by the English team on their jerseys. FIFA have failed again. It's so depressing.

TheBuilder

Pro. F wrote: »

Yes but the lads on the front lines can't be called heroes unless you think the wars are morally sound. Surely heroes have to be morally responsible as well. They sign up to be soldiers and then agree to go and fight in a morally bankrupt war. Then some of them get killed. Soldiers die.

The problem for me is like Theoneyedman says, the poppy charity has clearly been ramped up now since the Afghan and Iraqi wars and it is definitely being used to engage public support for those wars. It might well have been a worthwhile charity previously, but now it is fully in cahoots with this war effort.

FIFA are allowing a charity which supports the Iraqi and Afghan wars to be promoted by the English team on their jerseys. FIFA have failed again. It's so depressing.

FIFA have not failed anything, this time. They stood by their rules of not allowing it on their jerseys, same with Scotland and Wales. So instead, Scotland and Wales are wearing the poppy on their warm up tops and England are wearing armbands, something FIFA cannot stop them doing.

Pro. F

TheBuilder wrote: »

FIFA have not failed anything, this time. They stood by their rules of not allowing it on their jerseys, same with Scotland and Wales. So instead, Scotland and Wales are wearing the poppy on their warm up tops and England are wearing armbands, something FIFA cannot stop them doing.

I thought you weren't allowed any political symbols, whether on arm bands or jerseys.

TheBuilder

Pro. F wrote: »

I thought you weren't allowed any political symbols, whether on arm bands or jerseys.

As far as I'm aware, you're only not allowed to change your jersey with a symbol which is why they've went down the route of an armband, and FIFA can't stop them.

Blatter

TheBuilder wrote: »

FIFA have not failed anything, this time. They stood by their rules of not allowing it on their jerseys, same with Scotland and Wales. So instead, Scotland and Wales are wearing the poppy on their warm up tops and England are wearing armbands, something FIFA cannot stop them doing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15665615

Richard Caborn said it was a compromise on FIFA's part.

Pro. F

TheBuilder wrote: »

As far as I'm aware, you're only not allowed to change your jersey with a symbol which is why they've went down the route of an armband, and FIFA can't stop them.

I checked there now. FIFA have made an exception to their normal rule:
FIFA statement

Edit: relevant quote:

FIFA's Regulations regarding Players' Equipment are that they should not carry any political, religious or commercial messages.

So FIFA have changed their minds about this one and made an exception.

coup1917

Seriously, this poppy rubbish has gone so over the top now, its sickening..
Remembrance is one thing, but don't shove it in people's faces at every opportunity..

And the English will wonder why they'll get zero votes to stage the next World Cup/Euro championships.....?

Everyone in world football must despise them at this stage.......

celtictiger32

coup1917 wrote: »

Seriously, this poppy rubbish has gone so over the top now, its sickening..
Remembrance is one thing, but don't shove it in people's faces at every opportunity..

And the English will wonder why they'll get zero votes to stage the next World Cup/Euro championships.....?

Everyone in world football must despise them at this stage.......[/

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think that happened a long time ago

stovelid

Personally I'm against any political emblems on shirts myself and think FIFA should have held firm but how many people here would bother if it wasn't England? Or if FIFA had stopped Ireland wearing a commemorative historical emblem for, say, the famine or 1916?

celtictiger32

stovelid wrote: »

Personally I'm against any political emblems on shirts myself and think FIFA should have held firm but how many people here would bother if it wasn't England? Or if FIFA had stopped Ireland wearing a commemorative historical emblem for, say, the famine or 1916?

ye wait til the euros in 2016 we'll have all aorts of emblems on our jerseys;)

UglyBolloxFace

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Is this once more a case of Britannia waiving the rules?!

Very good:D

Degag

stovelid wrote: »

Personally I'm against any political emblems on shirts myself and think FIFA should have held firm but how many people here would bother if it wasn't England? Or if FIFA had stopped Ireland wearing a commemorative historical emblem for, say, the famine or 1916?

I don't think anyone would mind them wearing the poppies if it wasn't being constantly forced down our throat at every given oppertunity on tv.

Coillte_Bhoy

If the English FA feel so strongly about this, maybe they should donate the takings and the players make a substantial contribution? No, i didnt think so

stovelid

Degag wrote: »

I don't think anyone would mind them wearing the poppies if it wasn't being constantly forced down our throat at every given oppertunity on tv.

The English sports coverage that you elect to exclusively consume of your own free will, you mean?

Degag

stovelid wrote: »

The English sports coverage that you elect to exclusively consume of your own free will, you mean?

Yes, but i don't watch sports for political motives.

stovelid

Degag wrote: »

Yes, but i don't watch sports for political motives.

So it would ruin your World Cup if Argentina displayed a politcal symbol commemerating the Malvinas?

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

If the English FA feel so strongly about this, maybe they should donate the takings and the players make a substantial contribution? No, i didnt think so

How do you know this you don't

Degag

stovelid wrote: »

So it would ruin your World Cup if Argentina displayed a politcal symbol commemerating the Malvinas?

What? You're putting words in my mouth now. I'm sick of seeing the poppy in our faces on absolutely every broadcast of every programme on Sky Sports and i'm sick of the constant hoohaa about it and i dislike the fact that England have campaigned so hard to be able to wear a bloody armband in a meaningless friendly. If they are so proud of wearing the poppy they should adapt to actually put the damn thing on their jerseys permanently and not just in November. That's it, i'm complaining about that. I'm not complaining about some hypothetical situation like yours above.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Degag wrote: »

What? You're putting words in my mouth now. I'm sick of seeing the poppy in our faces on absolutely every broadcast of every programme on Sky Sports and i'm sick of the constant hoohaa about it and i dislike the fact that England have campaigned so hard to be able to wear a bloody armband in a meaningless friendly. If they are so proud of wearing the poppy they should adapt to actually put the damn thing on their jerseys permanently and not just in November. That's it, i'm complaining about that. I'm not complaining about some hypothetical situation like yours above.

Really your sick of a Broadcaster based in the UK showing respect by having there staff wear Poppies I may agree I don't think it should be worn in the International match but your first point is ludicrous Its simple don't watch it then

Degag

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Really your sick of a Broadcaster based in the UK showing respect by having there staff wear Poppies I may agree I don't think it should be worn in the International match but your first point is ludicrous Its simple don't watch it then

It's gone past respect at this stage imo.

stovelid

If England get up your nose so much, quit consuming their sports media or, I assume, supporting their clubs.

Son Of A Vidic

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

If the English FA feel so strongly about this, maybe they should donate the takings and the players make a substantial contribution? No, i didnt think so

Indeed, I wonder how many of these over paid millionaires playing for England actually contribute to army veterans welfare ect?

Degag

stovelid wrote: »

If England get up your nose so much, quit consuming their sports media or, I assume, supporting their clubs.

Why? Can i not watch a sporting programme or support a sports team without seeing a political emblem in my eyes all the time? As i said earlier, i've no problem with history and people remembering fallen heroes etc. but there is a time and a place for it.

stovelid

Degag wrote: »

 
Why? Can i not watch a sporting programme or support a sports team without seeing a political emblem in my eyes all the time? As i said earlier, i've no problem with history and people remembering fallen heroes etc. but there is a time and a place for it.

You have already stated it is not political emblems per se you care about, but British ones. That suggests a political stance on England that, like many others on here, sits uncomfortably with the avid consumption - and support of - British media and sports

You are welcome to your schizophrenic media and sports affiliations but quit lecturing on here about it.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Degag wrote: »

stovelid wrote: »

If England get up your nose so much, quit consuming their sports media or, I assume, supporting their clubs.

Why? Can i not watch a sporting programme or support a sports team without seeing a political emblem in my eyes all the time? As i said earlier, i've no problem with history and people remembering fallen heroes etc. but there is a time and a place for it.

Rememberence weekend in the UK what better time and place do you suggest

Coillte_Bhoy

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

How do you know this you don't

What? So they wouldnt be crowing about it if they did it?? Gimme a break ffs:rolleyes:

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

How do you know this you don't

What? So they wouldnt be crowing about it if they did it?? Gimme a break ffs:rolleyes:

Maybe I am not a cynic like you but I don't think they would

Degag

stovelid wrote: »

You have already stated it is not political emblems per se you care about, but British ones. That suggests a political stance on England that, like many others on here, sits uncomfortably with the avid consumption - and support of - British media and sports

You are welcome to your schizophrenic media and sports affiliations but quit lecturing on here about it.

Show me where i said that.

Degag

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Rememberence weekend in the UK what better time and place do you suggest

It's not just a weekend though is it?

Coillte_Bhoy

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Maybe I am not a cynic like you but I don't think they would

Right so then. :pac:

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Right so then. :pac:

Glad we agree then

Coillte_Bhoy

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Glad we agree then

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