Is 'respect' BS?

LighterGuy

You hear it so much ... "I respect him/her" ... "I respect your opinion" ... "I respect your choice"

Am I the only one who thinks its generally bull****?

* Take Opinions. People feel strongly about their opinions (and especially on boards) In many threads you just see two people getting back trying to prove the other is wrong. No 'respecting' the others opinion there.
* Take religion. Most atheists dont respect a person of faith & most religious people dont respect someone without faith.
* In decisions/choices. Whats the most commonly used word when you hear "I respect your decision..."?? ... its "but" - I respect your opinion but XXXXXXX. Aka, I still think you are wrong. By having to mention but you are still yet again getting your view/side in.
* People and ability or skill. That you could find someone a total wan*er but 'respect' his/her ability or skill ... isn't that more so acknowledgement than respect? ... also, being honest if you dont like someone most are not willing to acknowledge any positive thing.


So boards, theres a poll. Vote I say! :pac:

Saila

LighterGuy wrote: »

So boards, theres a poll. Vote I say! :pac:

damn ninja polls

Indubitable

Saila wrote: »

damn ninja polls

What?

Saila

Indubitable wrote: »

What?

I think that bastard with the invisible cloak was up to his tricks

The Internet Explorer

I do respect what you are saying but I think that........actually fuck it. No buts.

Senna

You can respect someone's believes in any topic, doesn't mean you agree and just because you don't agree doesn't mean you cant respect/accept that that's their belief.

LighterGuy

Senna wrote: »

You can respect someone's believes in any topic, doesn't mean you agree and just because you don't agree doesn't mean you cant respect/accept that that's their belief.

But thats what we are talking about
One says they respect, but do they actually. Is it a genuine I respect your choice/opinion/etc or is it just a way to end a debate/argument. While you still think they are wrong.

Its like me and you were going at it and I say "senna, i respect your opinion" (while in reality i am just ending it. thinking to myself that you dont know what you are talking about)

Yakult

No.

LighterGuy

Yakult wrote: »

No.

I respect your opnion .... BUT :pac:

Hasmunch

I respect the fact this thread makes my head hurt.

mackg

Me and one of my sisters are atheists, my mother and my other sister are very religious. we all respect each others views, so yeah it exists.

LighterGuy

mackg wrote: »

Me and one of my sisters are atheists, my mother and my other sister are very religious. we all respect each others views, so yeah it exists.

But you are talking within family.
Outside, it doesnt. Point in case is the dozens of Atheist threads on here.

Hasmunch

Whats the differnce between within family and outside family respect?

Chuck Stone

I respect my parents, a couple of family members, and a close friend because they've earned it from me.

Giving respect arbitrarily is bull****... even dangerous I would say.

We've had too much arbitrary respect and subservience for priests, banksters, property speculators, politicians and look where it got us.

LighterGuy

Hasmunch wrote: »

Whats the differnce between within family and outside family respect?

Simple mate :rolleyes:
you are more likely to respect, tolerate, accept things from a person thats close to you ... than someone who is not.

Example, I tell you to fu*k off or say you are a fool who doesnt know what you are talking about. You wont take that. Rightfully so. But if a family member did you wouldnt react the same. I assume you know this. But I question it since you asked.

Eathrin

OP saying you "respect their opinion but" isn't a roundabout way of telling them they're wrong you are simply putting your opinion forward while acknowledging and taking in anothers opinion, the respect is for admiration, integrity, sure it can be a number of things but it's definitely not a straightforward no!

mackg

LighterGuy wrote: »

But you are talking within family.
Outside, it doesnt. Point in case is the dozens of Atheist threads on here.

I posted in some atheist threads and have the same respect for people of opposing views in there, I might disagree but that's just healthy argument. Once you learn to have respect for other peoples opinions on one subject as I do with my family I think it's just logical to apply the same respect to any difference of opinion, within reason.

mackg

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I respect my parents, a couple of family members, and a close friend because they've earned it from me.

Giving respect arbitrarily is bull****... even dangerous I would say.

We've had too much arbitrary respect and subservience for priests, banksters, property speculators, politicians and look where it got us.

there is definitely a difference between respecting an opinion and believing/obeying something you don't agree with.

Hasmunch

Ah i get you more now :rolleyes:

Are you not throwing two different types of respect in together here.

Respect for a person.
Respect for a person's opionion's/beliefs/abilities.

Respecting a persons mean a lot more.
As you say repecting an opinion is just a roundabout way of saying i have a different opinion.

My head hurts from saying respect too much.

Amzie

Yes Its Bull **** on boards because people are hiding behind their laptops so its not like they are going to get a slap for talking back to you and disagreeing! In person I dont think everyone would be so outspoken,well Im not but thats just me (I like an easy life- not stupid arguments)

IsaMtq

When it is, it is, when its not, its not. So…
“Is respect bull****”? Yes and No (but never at the same time)

Colilfc

R.E.S.P.E.C.T Find out what it means to me.

K-9

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I respect my parents, a couple of family members, and a close friend because they've earned it from me.

Giving respect arbitrarily is bull****... even dangerous I would say.

We've had too much arbitrary respect and subservience for priests, banksters, property speculators, politicians and look where it got us.

You not respect anybody outside that group? Historical figures eg.?

I do see your point but people can go the too cynical route and that isn't good either!

Sunnyisland

People can have different opinions & believes in which there entitled to have and I would try my hardest to respect those even though I might disagree with them hugely.

Doctor Jimbob

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH0SoZNdozs

Great song.

Chuck Stone

K-9 wrote: »

You not respect anybody outside that group? Historical figures eg.?

I do see your point but people can go the too cynical route and that isn't good either!

I guess these terms are kind of nebulous but what I mean is that I don't really feel that I should respect anyone unless they've given me good reason to.

Don't get me wrong - I'm a mannerly guy until I'm given a reason not to be.

I'm not a great lover of authority I suppose.

Pdfile

LighterGuy wrote: »

You hear it so much ... "I respect him/her" ... "I respect your opinion" ... "I respect your choice"

Am I the only one who thinks its generally bull****?

* Take Opinions. People feel strongly about their opinions (and especially on boards) In many threads you just see two people getting back trying to prove the other is wrong. No 'respecting' the others opinion there.
* Take religion. Most atheists dont respect a person of faith & most religious people dont respect someone without faith.
* In decisions/choices. Whats the most commonly used word when you hear "I respect your decision..."?? ... its "but" - I respect your opinion but XXXXXXX. Aka, I still think you are wrong. By having to mention but you are still yet again getting your view/side in.
* People and ability or skill. That you could find someone a total wan*er but 'respect' his/her ability or skill ... isn't that more so acknowledgement than respect? ... also, being honest if you dont like someone most are not willing to acknowledge any positive thing.


So boards, theres a poll. Vote I say! :pac:

using generalizations to justifie what you think, not only original but effective...

LighterGuy

As it stands the poll is 6 for yes. 20 for no.
But I honestly think those 20 people are fools. Living in a delusional world. Because lets look at another aspect of 'respect' - you may respect another but he/she doesnt respect you in turn.


See, the above is a two-parter. (1), its what I actually feel and (2) Can anyone on here really respect my opinion for thinking the majority of the vote (the 22) are wrong? ... Is someone going to get back to me saying they disagree with me BUT at the same time honestly 'respecting' my opinion and genuinely meaning it?

Pdfile

LighterGuy wrote: »

As it stands the poll is 6 for yes. 20 for no.
But I honestly think those 20 people are fools. Living in a delusional world. Because lets look at another aspect of 'respect' - you may respect another but he/she doesnt respect you in turn.


See, the above is a two-parter. (1), its what I actually feel and (2) Can anyone on here really respect my opinion for thinking the majority of the vote (the 22) are wrong? ... Is someone going to get back to me saying they disagree with me BUT at the same time honestly 'respecting' my opinion and genuinely meaning it?

so... this is what a Fail troll looks like....

professore

I respect someone who has put together a good argument, and does it respectfully, even if I disagree with it. I don't care if they are close friends or family or tribespeople from New Guinea (no disrespect to them LOL).

I don't know what other people think about respect so can't answer for them.

In fact family can be a real PITA as you're stuck with them by an accident of birth, and why they should demand more respect than anyone else is beyond me.

I don't respect people with black and white views on everything as there are nearly always shades of grey - except in the physical sciences.

Least of all I don't respect arrogant people who try to tell people "it's too complicated for you to understand" and suchlike - normally they're covering up for their own incompetence.

deisedave

I respect anyones belief up till a point. Religion I just can never understand how someone can believe in that and I would really question there state of mind if someone believes.

Snowie

respects a lot based on personal opinion does a person warent your respect?

Well id say whats the person done to earn it......

cournioni

Anybody who doesn't respect me, doesn't get any respect back.

Biggins

LighterGuy wrote: »

Is 'respect' BS?

No, its at the very least, good manners, shows openness to (a) accept others points of view (b) willingness to still admit that one own ideas might be open to further change/interpretation.

cowzerp

LighterGuy wrote: »

As it stands the poll is 6 for yes. 20 for no.
But I honestly think those 20 people are fools. Living in a delusional world. Because lets look at another aspect of 'respect' - you may respect another but he/she doesnt respect you in turn.


See, the above is a two-parter. (1), its what I actually feel and (2) Can anyone on here really respect my opinion for thinking the majority of the vote (the 22) are wrong? ... Is someone going to get back to me saying they disagree with me BUT at the same time honestly 'respecting' my opinion and genuinely meaning it?

I disagree but respect your beliefs!