Messi Or Ronaldo?

Rayne Wooney

Yeah very classy, thanked everyone he possibly could :rolleyes:

Deserved award and unless Messi can find a young Xavi clone holed up somewhere in La Masia I wouldn't be surprised if he wins it again next year. Lots of football to watch the best in the world play until then though

Rayne Wooney

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Yeah very classy, thanked everyone he possibly could :rolleyes:

Deserved award and unless Messi can find a young Xavi clone holed up somewhere in La Masia I wouldn't be surprised if he wins it again next year. Lots of football to watch the best in the world play until then though

Sorry, didn't think anyone would get upset about calling a multi millionaire footballer classy


He did indeed derserve it, without question

klose

L'prof wrote: »

Then he goes and reacts like this:

https://vine.co/v/ODiFLTrFiZJ

https://vine.co/v/OD51XYte3wi

Fcuking love ze internet

Gringo180

What did he say? Are people just getting upset about that celebratory reaction or did he say something?

Turtwig

That is brilliant!

Gringo180

Gringo180 wrote: »

What did he say? Are people just getting upset about that celebratory reaction or did he say something?

He said, Fúck Messi and boards Ireland

Uncalled for

bangkok

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Completely uncalled for.

It's crap like that, that makes him difficult to like for a lot of people.

Yea so difficult to like that's why he has 140,000,000 followers on Facebook and 35m followers on twitter......

LuckyLloyd

bangkok wrote: »

Yea so difficult to like that's why he has 140,000,000 followers on Facebook and 35m followers on twitter......

Joey Barton has 2.85m followers on Twitter. Good man.

Award fully deserved.

Professional Griefer

Viva Ronaldo!!!

Fudge You

So much cringe.
It was a nice speech, and with the son coming up, and all. But why did he have to do that?

The Golden Miller

Apart from the award turning into a joke in general, it's also flawed in the sense that it is based on a calender year as opposed to season to season. Surely if every major league in the world is summer to summer effectively, why isn't the award based on a seasons performance as opposed to, in theory, two half seasons? Due to this, the final 6 months of the previous calender year does have an influence on the following years award, and without a ball being kicked it gives Ronaldo a massive advantage to win it again next year. If Messi outperforms him for the next 6 months and finishes a goal behind him in the European Golden Shoe and Pichichi Trophy (since the award these days is seemingly based on nothing more than who scores more between the two), despite out-scoring Ronaldo by 8 in that time period, all people will remember is the fact Ronaldo won those two top scorer awards this year. And if the evenly matched in the scoring charts by Christmas next year, or Ronaldo is up by one or two in the league, advantage Ronaldo. All people will see/remember is Ronaldo won the top scorer awards this year and is up in the league again, despite Messi scoring more in the calender year. Either do it season to season or don't do it at all.

astonaidan

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Apart from the award turning into a joke in general, it's also flawed in the sense that it is based on a calender year as opposed to season to season. Surely if every major league in the world is summer to summer effectively, why isn't the award based on a seasons performance as opposed to, in theory, two half seasons? Due to this, the final 6 months of the previous calender year does have an influence on the following years award, and without a ball being kicked it gives Ronaldo a massive advantage to win it again next year. If Messi outperforms him for the next 6 months and finishes a goal behind him in the European Golden Shoe and Pichichi Trophy (since the award these days is seemingly based on nothing more than who scores more between the two), despite out-scoring Ronaldo by 8 in that time period, all people will remember is the fact Ronaldo won those two top scorer awards this year. And if the evenly matched in the scoring charts by Christmas next year, or Ronaldo is up by one or two in the league, advantage Ronaldo. All people will see/remember is Ronaldo won the top scorer awards this year and is up in the league again, despite Messi scoring more in the calender year. Either do it season to season or don't do it at all.

Well its the 2015 award not 2014/2015 so.....

Smithwicks Man

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Apart from the award turning into a joke in general, it's also flawed in the sense that it is based on a calender year as opposed to season to season. Surely if every major league in the world is summer to summer effectively, why isn't the award based on a seasons performance as opposed to, in theory, two half seasons? Due to this, the final 6 months of the previous calender year does have an influence on the following years award, and without a ball being kicked it gives Ronaldo a massive advantage to win it again next year. If Messi outperforms him for the next 6 months and finishes a goal behind him in the European Golden Shoe and Pichichi Trophy (since the award these days is seemingly based on nothing more than who scores more between the two), despite out-scoring Ronaldo by 8 in that time period, all people will remember is the fact Ronaldo won those two top scorer awards this year. And if the evenly matched in the scoring charts by Christmas next year, or Ronaldo is up by one or two in the league, advantage Ronaldo. All people will see/remember is Ronaldo won the top scorer awards this year and is up in the league again, despite Messi scoring more in the calender year. Either do it season to season or don't do it at all.

If Messi outplays him in 2015 he will win it. It's not just based on who scored more between the two. Ronaldo led madrid to Champions League glory.

Rayne Wooney

I see it basically as a 1.5 season award, Ronaldo will be judged on all of last season and the first part of this season. The winner next year will be judged on all of this season and the start of next season

It was the same when Messi was winning it so it's hardly unfair

The Golden Miller

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

If Messi outplays him in 2015 he will win it. It's not just based on who scored more between the two. Ronaldo led madrid to Champions League glory.

He "led" them to fcuk all. They won it, and he happened to be in the team. Pulled his usual "anonymous when he doesn't score" act in the final also (I'm aware he scored a meaningless penalty in the last minute). Of course, Messi will win it, but it gives Ronaldo a big advantage to start with

The Golden Miller

astonaidan wrote: »

Well its the 2015 award not 2014/2015 so.....

Really? Well done for pointing that out

The Golden Miller

Out of curiosity, how would the La Liga scoring charts look between Ronaldo and Messi, if penalties weren't included? Genuine question. Ronaldo would be 4 or so up I assume, but does anyone know exactly?

LuckyLloyd

The Golden Miller wrote: »

He "led" them to fcuk all. They won it, and he happened to be in the team. Pulled his usual "anonymous when he doesn't score" act in the final also (I'm aware he scored a meaningless penalty in the last minute). Of course, Messi will win it, but it gives Ronaldo a big advantage to start with

You seem salty.

chopperbyrne

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Out of curiosity, how would the La Liga scoring charts look between Ronaldo and Messi, if there were penalties weren't included? Genuine question. Ronaldo would be 4 or so up I assume, but does anyone actually know exactly?

I reckon Ronaldo would be down by a good few. It's one of the many ludicrous things people try to use against him that a lot of his goals are penalties.

CSF

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Out of curiosity, how would the La Liga scoring charts look between Ronaldo and Messi, if penalties weren't included? Genuine question. Ronaldo would be 4 or so up I assume, but does anyone know exactly?

Someone is not taking this well...

bucketybuck

The Golden Miller wrote: »

He "led" them to fcuk all. They won it, and he happened to be in the team. Pulled his usual "anonymous when he doesn't score" act in the final also (I'm aware he scored a meaningless penalty in the last minute). Of course, Messi will win it, but it gives Ronaldo a big advantage to start with

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Out of curiosity, how would the La Liga scoring charts look between Ronaldo and Messi, if penalties weren't included? Genuine question. Ronaldo would be 4 or so up I assume, but does anyone know exactly?

How many times have you been through all this? He won, get over it.

The Golden Miller

chopperbyrne wrote: »

I reckon Ronaldo would be down by a good few. It's one of the many ludicrous things people try to use against him that a lot of his goals are penalties.

Because they are, especially this season

CSF

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Because they are, especially this season

There's always next year buddy

Ed Winchester

CSF wrote: »

Someone is not taking this well...

He has some form on this thread.

darced

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CSF

Ed Winchester wrote: »

He has some form on this thread.

Tonight has gotta be a tough night for him to take, we need to be supportive of him at this very tough time.

The Golden Miller

darced wrote: »

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10 in the league alone? What about Messi in La Liga only?

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CSF

The Golden Miller wrote: »

What about Messi?

Read that only 15.76% of Messi's goals were penos, compared to 37.66% of Ronaldo's.

CSF

Wait sorry those are the Ballon D'or stats. I can be so silly sometimes.

shrewdness

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Because they are, especially this season

Well he's scoring at a silly rate this season, it's not like the majority of his goals are penalties. Real are simply creating loads of chances and winning penalties as a result. Without the penalties he's still scored more than Messi, and that's having played fewer games.

It's amazing though that this fascination with penalties is coming up this season when Messi isn't scoring them but Ronaldo is. Where was this talk in his other seasons with big goal tallys when I'm sure he scored his fair share? Yes, Real's penalty number so far is big for this stage of the season, but they create loads of chances so it's not that strange. Ronaldo is just a clinical penalty taker, people act like that's not a skill in itself.

BeanbagBallbag

Smithwicks Man

The Golden Miller wrote: »

He "led" them to fcuk all. They won it, and he happened to be in the team. Pulled his usual "anonymous when he doesn't score" act in the final also (I'm aware he scored a meaningless penalty in the last minute). Of course, Messi will win it, but it gives Ronaldo a big advantage to start with

I suppose you're right, he just happened to be in the team.

I'm sure it was nice for him to get a run out and his 17-goal tally, a record-high in European Cup/Champions League history, was a nice added bonus.

The Golden Miller

Smithwicks Man wrote: »

I suppose you're right, he just happened to be in the team.

I'm sure it was nice for him to get a run out and his 17-goal tally, a record-high in European Cup/Champions League history, was a nice added bonus.

Real would have won it with or without him. He scored heavy in two hammerings of two Germans teams, a meaningless penalty in the final, and a load in a weak group they would have qualified from anyway. Not exactly dragging a team kicking and screaming over the line

darced

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Liam O

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Real would have won it with or without him. He scored heavy in two hammerings of two Germans teams, a meaningless penalty in the final, and a load in a weak group they would have qualified from anyway. Not exactly dragging a team kicking and screaming over the line

Yeah those German teams are walkovers these days really.

shrewdness

To say about Ronaldo's Champions League campaign of last season that he just "happened to be in the team", is one of the more ridiculous things I've seen on this forum, and that's saying something.

Also, those "two German teams" that he scored heavy against just so happened to be a team that destroyed them in the semi-final on year previous, and the CL holders who many thought would retain their title! It was hardly two average teams ffs!

Liam O

darced wrote: »

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Yep, no doubt every one of those games there was a penalty to Real would have turned out the exact same if they were removed. Some solid maths though...

shrewdness

darced wrote: »

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He was talking about their league stats earlier, and that's what I was talking about. Without pens Ronaldo has 18 goals in 16 La Liga games. But again why are we dismissing penalties? They still have to be scored.

Andersonisgod

darced wrote: »

There is nothing ludicrous about acknowledging that he scores an awful lot of penalties that skew his stats.

He has scored 10 penalties this year already,that is crazy.

I think its 8 in the league, Barcelona have 0 I think, and 12 overall, Barcelona have 2.

The Golden Miller

Liam O wrote: »

Yeah those German teams are walkovers these days really.

Point is, Real as a team steamrolled them with or without him. They had goals to spare against Schalke and Bayern, even without his goals. It's not like he was pulling the strings or grabbed them by the scruff of the neck and won the champions league for them. They would have done it regardless. When people say a player "led" a team to something, it tends to mean he was a pivotal central figure, whose influence and ability was the direct reason they won, without him they wouldn't have

MD1990

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Point is, Real as a team steamrolled them with or without him. They had goals to spare against Schalke and Bayern, even without his goals. It's not like he was pulling the strings or grabbed them by the scruff of the neck and won the champions league for them. They would have done it regardless. When people say a player "led" a team to something, it tends to mean he was a pivotal central figure, whose influence and ability was the direct reason they won, without him they wouldn't have

When Ronaldo was injured for the 2nd leg vs Dortmund. Real collapsed & should have went out if Mykitaryan had his shooting boots on.

The Golden Miller

MD1990 wrote: »

When Ronaldo was injured for the 2nd leg vs Dortmund. Real collapsed & should have went out if Mykitaryan had his shooting boots on.

It had nothing to do with Ronaldo missing. You even watch the games?

#15

The Golden Miller wrote: »

They won it, and he happened to be in the team.

Wow.

MD1990

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darced

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astonaidan

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Really? Well done for pointing that out

Well there is more leagues in the world than just Europe, hence well you know why its done by calendar year :eek: and not at the end of wait for it the end of the calendar season in Europe :eek::eek:

astonaidan

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Real would have won it with or without him. He scored heavy in two hammerings of two Germans teams, a meaningless penalty in the final, and a load in a weak group they would have qualified from anyway. Not exactly dragging a team kicking and screaming over the line

You sir have had to many to drink

Billy86

The Golden Miller wrote: »

He "led" them to fcuk all. They won it, and he happened to be in the team. Pulled his usual "anonymous when he doesn't score" act in the final also (I'm aware he scored a meaningless penalty in the last minute). Of course, Messi will win it, but it gives Ronaldo a big advantage to start with

The Golden Miller

astonaidan wrote: »

You sir have had to many to drink

So they wouldn't have won without him?