Pornstar teaches kids to read

Johro

Richard Dower wrote: »

^ it's not just a job, it's a lifestyle....i don't care and yeah i'm judgemental as hell, i find the mainstreaming of porn but be morally wrong.

First bit is bollocks, rest of post is just confusing to read and hypocritical.

orourkeda

What the parents fail to realise is that all these kids will be whacking off to internet porn in a few short years.

thebullkf

Einhard wrote: »

That's not what I said at all. Nice try at dodging my point though. Children will, occasionally, get access to the internet unsupervised. Generally speaking, nothing particularly alarming will result of it because kids are too innocent to actively search for the kind of things that might harm them.

However, they would see nothing wring with googling the name of their teacher, and generally speaking they would find nothing particularly alarming. Type in Ms Sasha Grey however, and they see something that I'm sure most parents would not want their kids viewing. Do you see my point now?





Sasha Grey isn't just any old porn actress. She partakes in a particularly nasty, degrading form of sex. The point in her movies isn't mutual pleasure, but rather that men would derive pleasure from degrading her body. Thus, they ejaculate in her eyes whilst calling her "whore", bitch" etc. That, and the fact that porn stars in general often have serious psychological issues, would suggest to me at least that she wouldn't have the most healthy self image, and definitely wouldn't have a healthy concept of gender relations. Enlightened?





Cohen, Kyriacou, Ganniway, Harvey, Prather, White, Hoffmeister, Rogers...

And many more. There's a lot of research out there showing that the self-image and consequent attitudes of the teacher are crucial in developing those of the child, especially at an early age. I mean, how could it be otherwise? We accept that kids are influenced in who they are by parents and family, by friends and peers, and by tv and other media, but yet it's a bridge too far to contemplate that teachers, with whom they spent up to 6 hours a day, also influence their personal development?



I don't have kids, and I wouldn't necessarily know about the personal lives of their teachers if I had. I'm not sure how that changes things though. Are you suggesting that, because one doesn't actively know of an issue with a teacher, that the issue can't be concerning in the hypothetical. I don't know any teachers who self-harm, but if I had kids, I would definitely have concerns about someone with such issues teaching them. You seem to be of the opinion that it would be hunky dory as long as you didn't know about it. Smacks a little too much of "hear no evil, see no evil" for my liking.

(And before someone deliberately misconstrues that: no, I'm not saying that porn is evil...)



I answered that in my first post. teacher self-image has an impact on that of the children in his or her charge. I'd contend that someone who willingly allows herself to be humiliated and abused by other people has a low self-image. Think for a moment: are you really comfortable with having as a teacher of your kids, a woman who allowed men ejaculate in her eyes as they called her degrading names?

I'm not condemning Grey for what she did, and I'm not making moral judgements.



So might paedophiles. I'm not seeing your point.



I agree completely. I'm not stating that Sasha Grey can't be a teacher because she was a porn star, but rather that the activity she partook in, and the extent to which she consented to degrade and humiliate herself for the gratification of others, would raise questions about her self-image, her psychological well being, and her view of gender relations. The porn that Sasha Grey was involved in had nothing to do with sex, and everything to do with power- the sexual power of men over women. I don't want a person who subscribes to that kind of unequal power structure teaching a daughter of mine, and I doubt you do either frankly.



I absolutely disagree. There is much that disqualifies former porn stars from teaching careers, especially those such as Grey who involved themselves in such degrading, and misogynistic forms of porn.



It's not prejudice as you are seeking to label it, but an opinion that is based both on common sense, and research. There is far more to teaching than simply getting across the curriculum or syllabus in a satisfactory manner, and I think you're ignoring that.

better not let Jennifer Connolly or Helen Mirren or any other actor for that matter read to kids, hysterical nonsence .

kupus

if there was more teachers like her I might have stayed in school, uhggg god damn christian brothers

Lab_Mouse

ChunkyLover_53 wrote: »

Whoa whoa whoa...dude...wait...

...Sasha Grey quit?

TMZ wrote:

Porn legend Sasha Grey -- winner of the 2010 AVN award for best anal sex scene

she got a pain in the hole with the job and decided on a career change

cruiser178

gcgirl wrote: »

People who get paid for sex not sluts
People who dont get paid are sluts

Both untrue. Slut is just a word made up by men with very small penis's who get very frustrated at women who know how to enjoy themselves, isnt that right op

Einhard

thebullkf wrote: »

better not let Jennifer Connolly or Helen Mirren or any other actor for that matter read to kids, hysterical nonsence .

Jennifer Connolly and Helen Mirren have starred in movies where they've been violently gangbanged, humiliated, and sexually degraded, and finished it off by having their eyes glued shut with sperm?

First I've heard of it...

I've written several reasoned posts, and explained quite coherently I think, why I think hiring ex porn stars as teachers isn't a good idea. Disagree with them if you wish, but I don't think there's any call to label them hysterical.

raah!

Why are people trying to argue that she isn't a filthy slut? She's one of the filthiest sluts around. Just look at your average video title.

And in fairness, to my own detriment, she's done some nasty and dare I say, degrading to women, stuff. I accidentally clicked on (cough) one video where she was dressed up as a dog and licking a toilet bowl.

Why was she licking a toilet bowl? Because there are some sick and twisted aspects to even the most mainstream porn, no matter how open minded you think you are. She was deliberately degraded and humiliated for money.

People need to think before they start coughing up the tired default views, they are not always appropriate.

G.muny

What exactly is wrong with what she did? I mean I know alot of people watch porn so there is a huge market for it and there is absolutly nothing wrong with watching it. So whats so wrong with being in it? Reguardless what type it is obviously considering it isn't harming anyone and is consensual.

Pretty sure thats what the girl wanted to do and she probaly enjoyed it as well. On top of that she made alot of money out of it and she probaly doesn't lose any sleep over any of it. So basically she was a young girl who made alot of money doing what she wanted to do and not giving a ****e what anyone thought about it....good for her I say.

Personally if I have any I will bring up my kids to have a healthy attitude towards sex instead of some backwards stone ages views on such things.

Indubitable

Richard Dower wrote: »

^ and i can honestly say i've never watched any of her porn stuff, i just don't find her attractive at all. I'm a Soderberg fan, and yeah i'm sorta interested in her attempts to break mainstream....not many make it, Bree Olson is finding it hard [no pun intended].

At first i thought: "wow this guy has all his facts right. He must watch an awful lot of porn".

Then I realised i watch alot of porn

raah!

@G muny

Licking toilet bowls and dressing as a dog is not a healthy attitude towards sex. Neither is making money indulging rape/domination fantasies too healthy.

But anyway, she was only a guest teacher. So there's no real issue. If she wants to become a real teacher she would have to do all that training and could change her name and it would all be over.

This doesn't change the fact that there was a million things wrong with the kind of porn she was engaged in. And specifically, what is wrong with her dressing up as a dog and pretending to be raped for people who like to dominate women and think raping them is the best kind of sex, is that this indulges those immoral tendencies in people.

There's nothing empowering about that kind of display.

Einhard

G.muny wrote: »

Personally if I have any I will bring up my kids to have a healthy attitude towards sex instead of some backwards stone ages views on such things.

No problem with that. But is taking three men in three holes as others stand around and abuse and insult you, before they all ejaculate on you a healthy view of sex? Is wearing a dog collar whilst licking a dirty toilet bowl a healthy view of sex? Would you want someone like that teaching your kids?

G.muny

raah! wrote: »

@G muny

Licking toilet bowls and dressing as a dog is not a healthy attitude towards sex. Neither is making money indulging rape/domination fantasies too healthy.

But anyway, she was only a guest teacher. So there's no real issue. If she wants to become a real teacher she would have to do all that training and could change her name and it would all be over.

This doesn't change the fact that there was a million things wrong with the kind of porn she was engaged in. And specifically, what is wrong with her dressing up as a dog and pretending to be raped for people who like to dominate women and think raping them is the best kind of sex, is that this indulges those immoral tendencies in people.

There's nothing empowering about that kind of display.

Whats wrongs with it? How is it unhealthy. Different people are into different things sexually and like I said as long as its done consensually what should it matter if they like dressing up as a dog or S&M or whatever? Thats their preferance and there really isn't anything wrong with that. Seems to alot of people in this country anything other than missionary with the lights off is unhealthy :rolleyes:

Each to their own.

G.muny

Einhard wrote: »

No problem with that. But is taking three men in three holes as others stand around and abuse and insult you, before they all ejaculate on you a healthy view of sex? Is wearing a dog collar whilst licking a dirty toilet bowl a healthy view of sex? Would you want someone like that teaching your kids?

I find nothing wrong with it, if you enjoy it and yeah I would bring my kids up to hopefully understand that everyone is different and some people like different things. Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with them.

snafuk35

Einhard wrote: »

No problem with that. But is taking three men in three holes as others stand around and abuse and insult you, before they all ejaculate on you a healthy view of sex? Is wearing a dog collar whilst licking a dirty toilet bowl a healthy view of sex? Would you want someone like that teaching your kids?

So what if she did?

Einhard

snafuk35 wrote: »

So what if she did?

I don't think those are the acts of someone with either a healthy attitude towards sex, and more importantly, towards themselves.

AgileMyth

I'm not sure if I disagree with this or not. Better watch some of her videos to educate myself.

Einhard

G.muny wrote: »

I find nothing wrong with it, if you enjoy it and yeah I would bring my kids up to hopefully understand that everyone is different and some people like different things. Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with them.

Well I think you're wrong then. I've already stated in this thread how teachers have a huge influence on kids' personal development, by dint of the fact that they are in such close contact with them for so long. Someone who revels in being misogynistically abused and degraded has, in my opinion, serious issues in terms of esteem and self image. I don't a man who abuses women to teach my kids; nor do I want a woman who seeks such abuse. Sometimes I think there's some kind of competetive instinct in AH to be the alpha-liberal.

Arawn

OH MY GOD A WOMAN WHO HAS HAD SEX READS TO KIDS I'M SO OUTRAGED IT ALL HAS TO BE IN CAPS

AgileMyth

Educated myself all over the place..

Einhard

Arawn wrote: »

OH MY GOD A WOMAN WHO HAS HAD SEX READS TO KIDS I'M SO OUTRAGED IT ALL HAS TO BE IN CAPS

Yeah, that's what it's all about. Such perception. Perhaps she'd be better off teaching you how to read. Maybe then you'd be able to read posts properly and respond to them, rather than post an idiotic response to an assertion that's only been made within the confines of your own brain. :rolleyes:

G.muny

Einhard wrote: »

Well I think you're wrong then. I've already stated in this thread how teachers have a huge influence on kids' personal development, by dint of the fact that they are in such close contact with them for so long. Someone who revels in being misogynistically abused and degraded has, in my opinion, serious issues in terms of esteem and self image. I don't a man who abuses women to teach my kids; nor do I want a woman who seeks such abuse. Sometimes I think there's some kind of competetive instinct in AH to be the alpha-liberal.

Its not really abuse in fairness, its consensual so really its more like roleplay and I generally see nothing wrong with acting on whatever type of scene or roles weather it be S&M, humilitation or whatever if thats what the person is in to and they enjoy it. Like I said if it doesn't harm anyone how exactly is it wrong? Anyway I doubt she was telling the kids the lurid details anyway. But I genuinly think there is nothing wrong with teaching kids once they are old enough to understand that there isn't anything wrong with exploring sexually, finding what they like and acting on it. After all its an important part of being an adult.

Arawn

Einhard wrote: »

Yeah, that's what it's all about. Such perception. Perhaps she'd be better off teaching you how to read. Maybe then you'd be able to read posts properly and respond to them, rather than post an idiotic response to an assertion that's only been made within the confines of your own brain. :rolleyes:

Maybe but I don't judge people I've never met because I'm not a judgemntal holier than thou type but that's just me, you know, not a twat.

Einhard

G.muny wrote: »

Its not really abuse in fairness, its consensual so really its more like roleplay and I generally see nothing wrong with acting on whatever type of scene or roles weather it be S&M, humilitation or whatever if thats what the person is in to and they enjoy it. Like I said if it doesn't harm anyone how exactly is it wrong? Anyway I doubt she was telling the kids the lurid details anyway. But I genuinly think there is nothing wrong with teaching kids once they are old enough to understand that there isn't anything wrong with exploring sexually, finding what they like and acting on it. After all its an important part of being an adult.

Just because something is consensual, doesn't mean it's not abuse. There are plenty of sexual sadists out there, and plenty of men and women who are willing to submit to their sadistic whims. Many have issues with self-esteem and self-image, have an unhealthy view of themselves and their self worth. It's not so much the fact that she engages in such acts that would worry me, but the underlying motivations behind her desire to be abused, degraded and humiliated.

I mean, would you have a problem with a a male porn actor who starred in faux-rape movies teaching your kids? Would you have issues with a male porn star who took specialised in humiliating women in his movies? I most definitely would.

Einhard

Arawn wrote: »

Maybe but I don't judge people I've never met because I'm not a judgemntal holier than thou type but that's just me, you know, not a twat.

So you've never voted in an election before? You don't have an opinion on, say George Bush, Bertie Ahern, Tony Blair, Bashar al Assad, Hosni Mubarak? You wouldn't judge Sean Fortune or Fr Brendan Smith? What an increibly narrow world view you must have.

G.muny

Einhard wrote: »

Just because something is consensual, doesn't mean it's not abuse. There are plenty of sexual sadists out there, and plenty of men and women who are willing to submit to their sadistic whims. Many have issues with self-esteem and self-image, have an unhealthy view of themselves and their self worth. It's not so much the fact that she engages in such acts that would worry me, but the underlying motivations behind her desire to be abused, degraded and humiliated.

I mean, would you have a problem with a a male porn actor who starred in faux-rape movies teaching your kids? Would you have issues with a male porn star who took specialised in humiliating women in his movies? I most definitely would.

Yeah some of them have self esteem issues and some of them just genuinly like it because thats what turns them on and no I wouldn't the same way I wouldn't have a problem with Sasha Grey teaching kids.

I have no problem with porn, porn actors or any type of sexual fetish that is consensual.

Einhard

G.muny wrote: »

Yeah some of them have self esteem issues and some of them just genuinly like it because thats what turns them on and no I wouldn't the same way I wouldn't have a problem with Sasha Grey teaching kids.

Really? I mean, degrading a woman in such a humiliating manner speaks to a deep misogyny in a person. I would think anyway. You'd have no problem with a misogynist who gets his kicks inflicting pain/humiliation/suffering on women teaching, say, your daughters? I find that very surprising to be honest.

I have no problem with porn, porn actors or any type of sexual fetish that is consensual.

Scat? Sexual fetishes that involve physical harm? Fetishes that deliberate inflicts psychological harm? No problem with having a teacher involved in all three as long as it's consensual?

Call me a prude, but I'm glad you're not setting the standards for teachers in ireland!!

Just to add, just because something is consensual, doesn't mean it can't be incredibly harmful.

G.muny

Einhard wrote: »

Really? I mean, degrading a woman in such a humiliating manner speaks to a deep misogyny in a person. I would think anyway. You'd have no problem with a misogynist who gets his kicks inflicting pain/humiliation/suffering on women teaching, say, your daughters? I find that very surprising to be honest.



Scat? Sexual fetishes that involve physical harm? Fetishes that deliberate inflicts psychological harm? No problem with having a teacher involved in all three as long as it's consensual?

Call me a prude, but I'm glad you're not setting the standards for teachers in ireland!!

Just to add, just because something is consensual, doesn't mean it can't be incredibly harmful.

Nope, like I already said each to their own and its not up to me to say what is "normal" and what isn't. To be honest I couldn't care less what people do or don't like in the bedroom and just because someone is into that stuff I highly doubt he or she is any risk to kids because of it. Generally people keep their sex lives private so just because he was into S&M I doubt he is going to get a ball gag out in the class room and tell tales of the women he has "degraded" in some uncontrolable urge he has on account of what a sicko he is because his sexual preferences aren't exactly vanilla.

Lots of people are into very different things sexually. Most people just don't broadcast it to the world. Just because they are into something different doesn't mean they are going to be some kind of sadist beast who stalks around all day like that.

Einhard

G.muny wrote: »

Nope, like I already said each to their own and its not up to me to say what is "normal" and what isn't. To be honest I couldn't care less what people do or don't like in the bedroom and just because someone is into that stuff I highly doubt he or she is any risk to kids because of it. Generally people keep their sex lives private so just because he was into S&M I doubt he is going to get a ball gag out in the class room and tell tales of the women he has "degraded" in some uncontrolable urge he has on account of what a sicko he is because his sexual preferences aren't exactly vanilla.

I'm not making a moral judgement on Sasha Grey or porn or any kind of sex. Neither do I think that someone who engages in extreme sex is going to bring that into the classroom. However, I do think that sex is part and parcel of who we are, and the type of things that goves us our jollies help to define us as people. I don't believe that someone can just leave sex in the bedroom; that it doesn't impact on who were are. It's far too powerful for that. My concern wouldn't be that a sexual sadist is going to start abusing the kids, but that his personality and attitudes would have an impact on the kids. Similarly, I don't think someone who allows themselves to be humiliated and degraded for the enjoyment of others is going to be explicit about this in the classroom, but that the part of her personality which enjoys this cannot be left in the bedroom, and cannot but have some impact on the kids.

Lots of people are into very different things sexually. Most people just don't broadcast it to the world. Just because they are into something different doesn't mean they are going to be some kind of sadist beast who stalks around all day like that.

That's not my concern. A sexual sadist is a misogynist. He derives pleasure from hurting women. That kind of impulse can't be just parked at the bedroom door. It's part of someone's personality. i can't believe that you would want a cruel misogynist who gets off on hurting women teaching your kids.

si_vis_pacem

@Einhard: Nope, sadists can be either male or female of any orientation. Some are undoubtably misoynistic, or misandric, but due to the open dialogue that surrounds BDSM they're alot less likely to be than Joe/Josephine average. Sadists and Masochists are Doctors, Lawers, Builders, Nurses and just about everything else under the sun, including Teachers.

Back on topic, I really don't see the issue with this. The kids in question are hardly going to have seen her videos and I seriously doubt that she would be capable of imparting some kind of nefarious influence over their moral compasses in the few minutes she was reading to them. Even if she wanted to.