Pornstar teaches kids to read

raah!

si_vis_pacem

I'm talking about BDSM because you are, just because you didn't use the acronym doesn't meant that you weren't talking about BDSM practices and practitioners.

I'm talking about it in general because you're making general statments about BDSM which you are then applying to Sasha in particular.

But since you don't seem to be able to leave the thread as promised, shall we continue?


"I'm attributiing motives to her on the basis of what she was doing."

I'm impressed, thats almost a correct statement. You're mischaracterising what shes doing and then making up what that means about her a person.

"You clearly have a great love for bdsm, and an inexplicable and rather unintelligent desire to cling to the notion that a person's sex life is completely separate from their regular life. They are not. As I've said to you a million times, what I am saying is based on sasha grey and these pornographic videos in particular, not bdsm in general."

I have many friends who are into BDSM, but even if I didn't I'd rather not live in a society where people can lose their jobs on account of what they do in the bedroom.

Yes they are. I have fantasised about hundreds of women and men, I have yet to rape any of them.

Despite your claims that you referring only to Sasha Grey you continue to make general claims about people with kinky fantasies and their character. But even if you weren't, its still irrelevant: you have no idea what the woman is like, regardless of how much porn you've watched.

"Sigh... I don't know why you keep bringing up bdsm as though it's some special thing exempt from the normal guidelines of human conduct. Now, you might be some bdsm tools selling shop owner, but I don't care, it's not magic, and you don't know that what she is engaged in is even bdsm. You are just trying to push this stupid bdsm agenda, and this has already caused you problems.
You keep trying to talk about "bdsm" in general, when we are takling about a specific set of videos, that you haven't seen.
If someone plays paintball, and plays it particularly violently, then it suggests that they are violent.
If someone engages in sex wtih women where they are repeatedly violent and disrespectful, then it suggests that they are disrespectful towards women.
The same connection is there, and if anything the connection between sex and real life is stronger than that between paintball and real life."

Riiiight, so when you're continually talking about people with humiliation or rape fantasies you're not constantly bringing up BDSM? I honestly don't know if her videos contain any of it, I was going by what you wrote. If they do, then we're on topic, if they don't, why did you bring it up?

My agenda causes me no problems. I expect people to judge a person's fitness in the workplace in terms of their work, rather than whether they take it up the ass in the bedroom or whatever else they might be into. Your attitude reminds me of the hatred which forced thousands of men and women to hide their orientation from the world lest they loose their jobs. I personally know people who are into this stuff, and yet they're perfectly good careworkers/teachers/etc. By making these defamatory statements you're supporting an atmosphere of hate which has real effects on real people.

"Wow... Again, you are trying to interpret specific references "the videos" being sahsa grey's particular videos I was talking about as "porn videos". You on the other hand, haven't seen any of it, and you don't have a clue what you are talking about, you don't even know if "bdsm" porn is a suitable title for what it is. You are just saying stupid **** related to bdsm for some reason."

No, you implied that you'd seen plenty of videos like that one. I brought up the obvious point: Why were you watching plenty of them if you're so opposed to it?

Lets cut the weasel words:
Have you seen the Sasha Grey videos?
Do they contain rape/humiliation etc?
If they don't contain BDSM elements, why did you bring them up?
If they do, then why do you insist that my use of the word BDSM is "stupid ****"?

"There is a difference between enjoying playing a video game, and enjoying watching people get killed. There is a difference between watching videos of people getting raped, and engaging in bdsm.
QED: Learn to read posts, and try not to have your interpretation of them corrupted by your burning desire to talk about bdsm. I don't care about bdsm.
Also, just to go back to that paragraph here's a guide to help you not fall off the tracks whilst reading it:"

There is indeed a huge difference between playing a video game and killing people, but according to your logic (thought = action) its an indication of a budding mass murderer.

Faux rape is an element of BDSM, as is "rape porn" involving paid actors and actresses who consent to be filmed. Again, you really don't seem to know what you're talking about. What exactly do you think BDSM is?

QED? Again, you brough up BDSM by making general assertions about people who are into domination and submission. You didn't use that particular acronym, but you were still talking about BDSM practices.

I read it just fine the first time thanks, was all that red meant to make it clearer or was it a formatting mistake?

"So in summary, you can't read, and as I've said, I don't give a crap about bdsm.
But while we are on the topic: saying that you can't tell anything about anybody from their sexual practices is incorrect."

No, you can't tell anything about someone from their sexual practices. Vanilla people are just as likely to be abusive to their partners as members of the BDSM community. Arguably more so since theres less open discussion surrounding it.

prinz

si_vis_pacem wrote: »

Vanilla people are just as likely to be abusive to their partners as members of the BDSM community. Arguably more so since theres less open discussion surrounding it.

*cough* BS *cough*

si_vis_pacem

@Prinz: Know anyone in a BDSM relationship? If you're basing your opinion off movies and serial killers I'd suggest you're not fully informed.

prinz

si_vis_pacem wrote: »

@Prinz: Know anyone in a BDSM relationship? If you're basing your opinion off movies and serial killers I'd suggest you're not fully informed.

Yeah I don't discuss BDSM with my OH, and you think that means we're more likely to be in an abusive domestically violent relationship? 2+2 =/= 5 their chief. Stupid thing to say.

Logical Fallacy

prinz wrote: »

*cough* BS *cough*

Why is it BS? Proper BDSM relationships are a relative rarity, so it's highly unlikely they make up a higher percentage of reported spousal abuse cases than "normal" relationships.

prinz

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Why is it BS? Proper BDSM relationships are a relative rarity, so it's highly unlikely they make up a higher percentage of reported spousal abuse cases than "normal" relationships.

Except it wasn't a statement based on statistics was it? It was you are arguably more likely to engage in domestic violence if you don't openly discuss BDSM? Absolute rubbish.

Logical Fallacy

prinz wrote: »

Except it wasn't a statement based on statistics was it? It was you are arguably more likely to engage in domestic violence if you don't openly discuss BDSM? Absolute rubbish.

Ah right, i misunderstood what you were saying, no worries, i completely agree with you.

si_vis_pacem

@Prinz: I see what you mean. I wasn't trying to imply that vanilla people are abusive or evil. I was suggesting that the culture of open discussion and informed consent that surrounds BDSM communities helps prevent abuse. Theres no reason the same shouldn't be true for non-BDSM relationships. My apologies for any offense caused.

IcedOut

I wish i couldnt read

Id like to be in that school

raah!

si_vis_pacem wrote: »

I'm talking about BDSM because you are, just because you didn't use the acronym doesn't meant that you weren't talking about BDSM practices and practitioners.

I'm talking about it in general because you're making general statments about BDSM which you are then applying to Sasha in particular.

Well, you could say I was talking about bdsm in the extreme stages. This is not bdsm in general. And extreme bdsm porn is more specific again.

And further, I don't know how accurately we can call it bdsm.

But since you don't seem to be able to leave the thread as promised, shall we continue?

Yes I'm incapable. We will continue. I'll restate my position and some new things on 'bdsm' perhaps but I'll do so fresh. Since you started out with a whole ream of misinterpretations, and continue to try and force misinterpretations on what I am saying.

"I'm attributiing motives to her on the basis of what she was doing."

I'm impressed, thats almost a correct statement. You're mischaracterising what shes doing and then making up what that means about her a person.

Again, how do you know it's bdsm? How do you know I'm mischaracterising what she does when you don't know what she does?

If bdsm is two people with: "hey I like it when you paddle my ass, and stuff" with "Yeah, I like to paddle" Then this is not necessarily bdsm.

A man who likes to get prostitutes and then beat them because they are "filthey whores" is not engaged in this bdsm. Likewise, people who mistreat pornstars in this way are not engaged in bdsm. Just because the person has agreed to do what they tell her for money.

There is a big difference. You are obviously oblivious to this, and know nothing about porn. Or the world in general it seems.

"You clearly have a great love for bdsm, and an inexplicable and rather unintelligent desire to cling to the notion that a person's sex life is completely separate from their regular life. They are not. As I've said to you a million times, what I am saying is based on sasha grey and these pornographic videos in particular, not bdsm in general."

I have many friends who are into BDSM, but even if I didn't I'd rather not live in a society where people can lose their jobs on account of what they do in the bedroom.

Well you know, in this thread I've not really been saying what an outrage it was. I was just pointing out some really really atrocious reasoning and bad arguments, which were the responses to Einhard's reasoned post. Your post here is one such kind of post.

Yes they are. I have fantasised about hundreds of women and men, I have yet to rape any of them.

Despite your claims that you referring only to Sasha Grey you continue to make general claims about people with kinky fantasies and their character. But even if you weren't, its still irrelevant: you have no idea what the woman is like, regardless of how much porn you've watched.

Sigh, I hate this kind of sphe class brainwashed stupidity. You can tell alot from a person if you see them in a movie, you can tell alot about a person if you hear them speak for a few minutes, and you can tell alot by just looking at them. I have 'an idea' of what she's like. More of an idea than someone who has not watched any of her porns etc. And more of an idea than someone who does not watch porn in general.

Riiiight, so when you're continually talking about people with humiliation or rape fantasies you're not constantly bringing up BDSM? I honestly don't know if her videos contain any of it, I was going by what you wrote. If they do, then we're on topic, if they don't, why did you bring it up?

Again, it's not the same as regular, sex, she's being paid, you could say it's like a man who likes to beat up prostitutes.

If she does like it, then it's still not bdsm 'in general' , but an extreme case of it, and in that case I would say "yes you can tell things about a person who is into this extreme form of bdsm.

Just like you can infer things about a person who plays paintball violently.

My agenda causes me no problems. I expect people to judge a person's fitness in the workplace in terms of their work, rather than whether they take it up the ass in the bedroom or whatever else they might be into. Your attitude reminds me of the hatred which forced thousands of men and women to hide their orientation from the world lest they loose their jobs. I personally know people who are into this stuff, and yet they're perfectly good careworkers/teachers/etc. By making these defamatory statements you're supporting an atmosphere of hate which has real effects on real people.

Which statements in particular?

"Wow... Again, you are trying to interpret specific references "the videos" being sahsa grey's particular videos I was talking about as "porn videos". You on the other hand, haven't seen any of it, and you don't have a clue what you are talking about, you don't even know if "bdsm" porn is a suitable title for what it is. You are just saying stupid **** related to bdsm for some reason."

No, you implied that you'd seen plenty of videos like that one. I brought up the obvious point: Why were you watching plenty of them if you're so opposed to it?

I've seen alot of porn. I've seem then some nasty rapey ****. Needless to say I dont "watch" those ones . But I have seen them.

And yes, I'm opposed to people being raped and treated badly. You got me there, I'm so hateful:rolleyes:

Lets cut the weasel words:
Have you seen the Sasha Grey videos?
Do they contain rape/humiliation etc?
If they don't contain BDSM elements, why did you bring them up?
If they do, then why do you insist that my use of the word BDSM is "stupid ****"?

Yes lets cut it. At the end of this post I'll give a series of questions. I've already said I've seen enough for the videos to know that they contain those things. There's no need to ask me again, and it's hardly weaseling when I said I've seen them. I haven't watched them through , but I have seen them.

"There is a difference between enjoying playing a video game, and enjoying watching people get killed. There is a difference between watching videos of people getting raped, and engaging in bdsm.
QED: Learn to read posts, and try not to have your interpretation of them corrupted by your burning desire to talk about bdsm. I don't care about bdsm.
Also, just to go back to that paragraph here's a guide to help you not fall off the tracks whilst reading it:"

There is indeed a huge difference between playing a video game and killing people, but according to your logic (thought = action) its an indication of a budding mass murderer.

Well we're getting bogged down a bit here.

All the bottom goes into what bdsm is and what I think it is, why I think what I am talking about is different from "bdsm" "in general", which I have already done above.

No, you can't tell anything about someone from their sexual practices. Vanilla people are just as likely to be abusive to their partners as members of the BDSM community. Arguably more so since theres less open discussion surrounding it.

I think this might be at the heart of what you are saying.

Here's an example I'd like you to apply that maxim too:
A girl likes all the guys she is with to dress up like her dad when they have sex.

Is it possible to infer from this that she may have some issues with her father?

Yes it is.

Is it possible to infer from the fact that a person always likes to be "dominated" and "humiliated" in extreme fashions by men, and is always in situations where other women are "dominated" or "humiliated" by men, that they might have some strange views about the roles of women in general?

Yes it is.

Is it possible to infer that a person who is paid money to be humiliated and treated like an object, and spends all her time hanging around with people who humiliate and dominate in sex, might have some views about the roles of women in general?

Yes.

And note I've already pointed out the large differences between being paid to do something, and doing something because you think it's fun. Both are consensual in a way, but they are hardly the same.

But if it's the case that you really think that you can never know anything about anyone from anything, especially sex, then I don't really know how we can talk to each other.

Johro

raah! wrote: »

Well, you could say I was talking about bdsm in the extreme stages. This is not bdsm in general. And extreme bdsm porn is more specific again.

And further, I don't know how accurately we can call it bdsm.


Yes I'm incapable. We will continue. I'll restate my position and some new things on 'bdsm' perhaps but I'll do so fresh. Since you started out with a whole ream of misinterpretations, and continue to try and force misinterpretations on what I am saying.


Again, how do you know it's bdsm? How do you know I'm mischaracterising what she does when you don't know what she does?

If bdsm is two people with: "hey I like it when you paddle my ass, and stuff" with "Yeah, I like to paddle" Then this is not necessarily bdsm.

A man who likes to get prostitutes and then beat them because they are "filthey whores" is not engaged in this bdsm. Likewise, people who mistreat pornstars in this way are not engaged in bdsm. Just because the person has agreed to do what they tell her for money.

There is a big difference. You are obviously oblivious to this, and know nothing about porn. Or the world in general it seems.


Well you know, in this thread I've not really been saying what an outrage it was. I was just pointing out some really really atrocious reasoning and bad arguments, which were the responses to Einhard's reasoned post. Your post here is one such kind of post.


Sigh, I hate this kind of sphe class brainwashed stupidity. You can tell alot from a person if you see them in a movie, you can tell alot about a person if you hear them speak for a few minutes, and you can tell alot by just looking at them. I have 'an idea' of what she's like. More of an idea than someone who has not watched any of her porns etc. And more of an idea than someone who does not watch porn in general.


Again, it's not the same as regular, sex, she's being paid, you could say it's like a man who likes to beat up prostitutes.

If she does like it, then it's still not bdsm 'in general' , but an extreme case of it, and in that case I would say "yes you can tell things about a person who is into this extreme form of bdsm.

Just like you can infer things about a person who plays paintball violently.


Which statements in particular?


I've seen alot of porn. I've seem then some nasty rapey ****. Needless to say I dont "watch" those ones . But I have seen them.

And yes, I'm opposed to people being raped and treated badly. You got me there, I'm so hateful:rolleyes:



Yes lets cut it. At the end of this post I'll give a series of questions. I've already said I've seen enough for the videos to know that they contain those things. There's no need to ask me again, and it's hardly weaseling when I said I've seen them. I haven't watched them through , but I have seen them.

Well we're getting bogged down a bit here.

All the bottom goes into what bdsm is and what I think it is, why I think what I am talking about is different from "bdsm" "in general", which I have already done above.


I think this might be at the heart of what you are saying.

Here's an example I'd like you to apply that maxim too:
A girl likes all the guys she is with to dress up like her dad when they have sex.

Is it possible to infer from this that she may have some issues with her father?

Yes it is.

Is it possible to infer from the fact that a person always likes to be "dominated" and "humiliated" in extreme fashions by men, and is always in situations where other women are "dominated" or "humiliated" by men, that they might have some strange views about the roles of women in general?

Yes it is.

Is it possible to infer that a person who is paid money to be humiliated and treated like an object, and spends all her time hanging around with people who humiliate and dominate in sex, might have some views about the roles of women in general?

Yes.

And note I've already pointed out the large differences between being paid to do something, and doing something because you think it's fun. Both are consensual in a way, but they are hardly the same.

But if it's the case that you really think that you can never know anything about anyone from anything, especially sex, then I don't really know how we can talk to each other.

So stop. Please. For the sake of all of us.

raah!

But, someone's wrong on the internet?!

Anyway, I don't think this thread will ever return to it's former lighthearted glory. It's run past it's normal lifetime now, and the only people left to keep it alive are those engaged in heated pissing contests. Hot piss.

Johro

It cannot be true!!

Poor Uncle Tom

jill_valentine wrote: »

My God man. You might just have saved our economy.

Nope, just a realistic way of dealing with my own taxes...;)...:p

si_vis_pacem

Ok, questions first, even though you've taken the liberty of inserting your own answers ( and I see you carefully ignored all of mine).

"A girl likes all the guys she is with to dress up like her dad when they have sex. Is it possible to infer from this that she may have some issues with her father?"

Yes, does that mean she hates all men and has a low opinion of them (as you inferred of BDSM practitioners who consentually humiliate their partners) No.

"Is it possible to infer from the fact that a person always likes to be "dominated" and "humiliated" in extreme fashions by men, and is always in situations where other women are "dominated" or "humiliated" by men, that they might have some strange views about the roles of women in general?"

Is it possible? Yes, as much as of anyone else. Is it certain (as you've been saying) or even inferrable? No.

"Is it possible to infer that a person who is paid money to be humiliated and treated like an object, and spends all her time hanging around with people who humiliate and dominate in sex, might have some views about the roles of women in general?"

Again, possible? Yes. But I haven't seen any more of it from BDSM practitioners than I have from the general population, in fact I've seen less. So knowing what someone does in the bedroom really doesn't give me, or you, anything other than vague guesses.



I'm going to leave this here: you don't seem to have any idea of what BDSM is. Its a very basic flaw in your argument which I don't think I'll be able to correct. On top of that your generalisations about what the people around you are thinking based on almost no information are highly hightly prejudiced. If I believed in god I'd pray fervantly that you're never selected for jury duty.

raah!

si_vis_pacem wrote: »

Ok, questions first, even though you've taken the liberty of inserting your own answers ( and I see you carefully ignored all of mine).

Yes, does that mean she hates all men and has a low opinion of them (as you inferred of BDSM practitioners who consentually humiliate their partners) No.

I inferred this from men who always humiliate women, consensually or not. The men hate women, beacuse they are always doing things like spitting in their yes and things like that, to make money from them. This is not just bdsm. And perhaps not bdsm at all.

"Is it possible to infer from the fact that a person always likes to be "dominated" and "humiliated" in extreme fashions by men, and is always in situations where other women are "dominated" or "humiliated" by men, that they might have some strange views about the roles of women in general?"

Is it possible? Yes, as much as of anyone else. Is it certain (as you've been saying) or even inferrable? No.

Well it's possible to infer that, and since it's not rally possible to infer much else, that is the most probable personality characteristic we can get from there. I should have added "can you infer things about their self esteem" the answer to this is yes too.

And I furthermore should have added "if they are just being paid to do it and don't necessarily like doing this undignified things, then can they be said to have alot of self respect/dignity?". The answer to that is yes as well.

I'm going to leave this here: you don't seem to have any idea of what BDSM is. Its a very basic flaw in your argument which I don't think I'll be able to correct. On top of that your generalisations about what the people around you are thinking based on almost no information are highly hightly prejudiced. If I believed in god I'd pray fervantly that you're never selected for jury duty.

... I don't see that it matters that I know what exactly the letters "bdsm" stand for, in fact it has no bearing on my argument whatsoever. But I hope you are now able to appreciate the distinction between someone being paid to do humiliating things for money, and someone doing them for fun.

argosy2006

I think its pretty kool she no longer whats to work in the sausage factory, and want to read to kids instead,
Its a step in right direction,

Gummy Panda

So which movie did she win an anal award for?

TwoShedsJackson

Gummy Panda wrote: »

So which movie did she win an anal award for?

Hail Wikipedia, font of all knowledge!!

2010 AVN Award for Best Anal Sex Scene – Anal Cavity Search 6

Brewie

She's 23 and retired already.

NICE!!!!!!

Ellis Dee

She's not the first literate porn star. Linda Lovelace, who starred in "Deep Throat", wrote a book with the title "A Blow for Freedom".;););)

LoanShark

In the almighty words from that woman in the Simpsons "Won't someone please think of the children!?!?!"

Solnskaya

Filthy slut???(in OP) Most of us do worse in the alley behind the pub. At least she gets paid. I worry when people get so worked up about what others do for a living....

Mindkiller

Interestingly, a rep from the school has now said that Sasha Grey was never present at the school, in spite of the fact Sasha tweeted about and there are pictures of her there.

It's all on that TMZ site