McGeady is class - discuss

ColeTrain

MrStuffins wrote: »

Case in point, someone earlier in this thread, when asked to prove their theory that McGeady was a good shot taker, used 2 examples. 1, his goal against Macedonia (a shot, if you'll remember, which was average but saw the goalkeeper make a mistake and let the ball in) and his shot at the begining of the move for Jon Walters goal againsy Estonia, one which was right at the keeper.

Some posters tried to claim that McGeady set up or was even responsible for this goal, which is very very far from the case.

They were two examples I gave you from the top of my head. I used the Estonia one because it was day or two before!
I directed you towards the goals he' scored for Celtic and to a certain extent Spartak. The reason I had to do this was because you said he couldn't shoot at all!

McGeady has had a better campaign than Duff. He's helped us get to the Euro's and is a good player. I think most will agree on that and it's a bit strange how some won't admit it.

I think Duff will be lucky to have an impact in the next campaign. I also didn't realise Duff's record for assists and goals were that poor. Puts things into perspective for me. However I'm not slating Duff, he's been a great servant and at one stage he was world class for me, on a level I don't think Aiden will ever reach. He was unplayable at the WC 2002.

MrStuffins

ColeTrain wrote: »

McGeady has had a better campaign than Duff. He's helped us get to the Euro's and is a good player. I think most will agree on that and it's a bit strange how some won't admit it.

I don't think it's a case of people just not admitting it, i think it's because that's not what the thread is about.

tdv123

MrStuffins wrote: »

OP, do you know what "World Class" means?

In your opinion, what exactly does World Class mean and how does McGeady fit the criteria?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2eIjZJ2DJ4

noodler

ColeTrain wrote: »

McGeady has had a better campaign than Duff. He's helped us get to the Euro's and is a good player. I think most will agree on that and it's a bit strange how some won't admit it.

No he hasn't. He may have scored more goals and had more assists but he has also had less consistent performances.

ColeTrain wrote: »

I also didn't realise Duff's record for assists and goals were that poor. Puts things into perspective for me.

Top assister in the WC campaign?

ootbitb

On Tuesday, in a sea of mediocrity, Duff stood out above everyone else.

In the Premiership it's widely acknowledged Duff's career has undergone a resurgence since his Newcastle days whereas no Premiership club showed any interest in McGeady before he left Scotland.

Tiocfaidh Armani

ootbitb wrote: »

On Tuesday, in a sea of mediocrity, Duff stood out above everyone else.

In the Premiership it's widely acknowledged Duff's career has undergone a resurgence since his Newcastle days whereas no Premiership club showed any interest in McGeady before he left Scotland.

Wrong. Aston Villa made a bid in the region of £7.5 million but would not meet the valuation. Happy to set you straight.

noodler

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

Wrong. Aston Villa made a bid in the region of £7.5 million but would not meet the valuation. Happy to set you straight.

How on earth can you prove that?

el dude

noodler wrote: »

How on earth can you prove that?

Was widely reported at the time.

McGeady and Duff have probably the hardest, most thankless jobs of anyone in a setup like Trap's. No support from your fullbacks, and pair of central mid-fielders who never move towards you to receive the ball. Dead ends and blind alleys are often the only options open to them. Duff is clearly a more intelligent and less wasteful than McGeady, but not necessarily more effective, as the stats show. I'd say they were just about as good or bad as each other.

Tiocfaidh Armani

noodler wrote: »

How on earth can you prove that?

I live in Glasgow my dear boy, it was in the papers, same place everyone else gets their news. Here's a link to one of the stories about it. He says no EPL showed an interest, how could he possibly know that?

http://www.fansfc.com/story/23161.html

http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-article/Aston-Villa-to-make-10m-bid-for-Celtic-winger-McGeady/8899/

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Aston-Villa-transfer-news-Martin-O-Neill-set-to-bid-10m-for-Celtic-star-Aiden-McGeady-article530521.html

He was linked with Liverpool earlier this year as well.

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2011/03/10/liverpool-chase-20m-rated-spartak-moscow-winger-aiden-mcgeady/

MrStuffins

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

Wrong. Aston Villa made a bid in the region of £7.5 million but would not meet the valuation. Happy to set you straight.

noodler wrote: »

How on earth can you prove that?

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

I live in Glasgow my dear boy, it was in the papers, same place everyone else gets their news. Here's a link to one of the stories about it. He says no EPL showed an interest, how could he possibly know that?

http://www.fansfc.com/story/23161.html

http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-article/Aston-Villa-to-make-10m-bid-for-Celtic-winger-McGeady/8899/

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Aston-Villa-transfer-news-Martin-O-Neill-set-to-bid-10m-for-Celtic-star-Aiden-McGeady-article530521.html

He was linked with Liverpool earlier this year as well.

http://www.caughtoffside.com/2011/03/10/liverpool-chase-20m-rated-spartak-moscow-winger-aiden-mcgeady/

None of your links confirm what you claim.

Transfer rumours are just that, rumours. You said they made a bid.

I'm not saying they didn't but your links just say they were going to bid. None of them say they actually bid. There's a big difference!

Tiocfaidh Armani

MrStuffins wrote: »

None of your links confirm what you claim.

Transfer rumours are just that, rumours. You said they made a bid.

I'm not saying they didn't but your links just say they were going to bid. None of them say they actually bid. There's a big difference!

The papers in Scotland said so. I would say this is more definitive than someone in Ireland who just thinks nobody showed an interest because, well, he just thinks it.:rolleyes:

I think Aston Villa's silence when asked about it speaks volumes.

MrStuffins

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

The papers in Scotland said so.

Well then, unless it was reported somewhere else or the article was quoted elsewhere or referenced, I would have to believe that the paper in Scotland was wrong as it seems to be the only one confirming it.

I would say this is more definitive than someone in Ireland who just thinks nobody showed an interest because, well, he just thinks it.:rolleyes:

You would say, but you said "Happy to set you straight" when in fact you set nothing straight. Either you can confirm a bid of you can't. Forgive me if I don't take your word for it that "The Scotish papers said so".

I think Aston Villa's silence when asked about it speaks volumes.

Not really. What it certainly doesn't do is say that Villa made a concrete bid for him.

I'm not saying you're not telling the truth here, it's certainly not out of the relms of possibility they were looking for him and made an actual bid. But I can't just decide to believe you just because you say so.

Tiocfaidh Armani

I get my information from the papers, the same as 99% of people. It was reported so therefore that's all we have to go on.

He said nobody has shown any interest in McGeady from the EPL. He must not read the papers.

A quick google search and you'll see Aston Villa fans talking about it at the time and how Spartak outbid them.

http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=37056&start=103

Again, happy to set you straight. Maybe he should start picking up newspapers before making conclusive judgements that nobody from the glorious EPL every showed interest in him. Like unless someone from there bids for you you're nothing...:rolleyes:

MrStuffins

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

I get my information from the papers, the same as 99% of people. It was reported so therefore that's all we have to go on.

Well I make a point not to believe everything I read in the papers.

He said nobody has shown any interest in McGeady from the EPL. He must not read the papers.

Perhaps you're right.

A quick google search and you'll see Aston Villa fans talking about it at the time and how Spartak outbid them.

http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=37056&start=103

Again, happy to set you straight.

Well, you see, you haven't set me straight. Forum talk does not confirm anything!

Observe:

The recent earthquake in Japan was caused by the US on purpose using HAARP, the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program.

Don't believe me? I can confirm it because people on this forum are talking about it

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056207402

Happy to set you straight


I wouldn't mind if you just said "Ok, I can't confirm it" or something but your insistence on sticking in links that confirm nothing and saying "Happy to set you straight" is a bit silly.

Helix

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

Wrong. Aston Villa made a bid in the region of £7.5 million but would not meet the valuation. Happy to set you straight.

villa didnt make a bid. it was part of the reason o'neill threw his toys out of the pram. the board wouldnt sanction a move for mcgeady

Jayob10

noodler wrote: »

How on earth can you prove that?

not to be nit picking, but how can you prove no premier league clubs were interested??

you have no idea either way

MrStuffins

Jayob10 wrote: »

not to be nit picking, but how can you prove no premier league clubs were interested??

you have no idea either way

Well no Premier League clubs were interested enough to actually make a bid.

Jayob10

MrStuffins wrote: »

Well no Premier League clubs were interested enough to actually make a bid.

but you are merely speculating, you don't know that for sure

there are many variables, they may have been interested but not been able to afford what the Russians paid.

He may have had his mind made up so there was no point bidding.

Not taking sides here, just the claim that no premiership teams were interested is a farcical as saying every club in England was in for him.

We have no idea.

MrStuffins

Jayob10 wrote: »

but you are merely speculating, you don't know that for sure

there are many variables, they may have been interested but not been able to afford what the Russians paid.

He may have had his mind made up so there was no point bidding.

Not taking sides here, just the claim that no premiership teams were interested is a farcical as saying every club in England was in for him.

We have no idea.

Well my point was the poster said that nobody could prove no English teams were interested in him and he could actually prove that Villa actually MADE a bid.

he didn't prove that at all.

Jayob10

MrStuffins wrote: »

Well my point was the poster said that nobody could prove no English teams were interested in him and he could actually prove that Villa actually MADE a bid.

he didn't prove that at all.

i'm replying to the comments that no english clubs were interested in McGeady. Nobody can prove that either.

He was countering the argument that no English club was interested.

Now Villa may or may not have been interested, ive no idea. But to state as fact that nobody was interested is just as silly really.

Nobody is "in the know". All talk is taken from papers before people put their own reasoning and spin on it. Then it becomes fact in their own head.

noodler

Jesus this thread has gotten stupid in the last 20 or so posts.

1) Just because we can't prove something one way or another doesn't mean that we should accept that it is 50/50.

2) Christ, the Scottish papers? So when Irish papers report ridiculous transfer rumours about Irish players does that mean someone in England or on the continent can say "oh well the Evening Herald said..." with some kind of authority?

darkman2

McGeady was world class today!

ColeTrain

darkman2 wrote: »

McGeady was world class today!

F*k your Mata or Silva we've got Aidenho..

the realpigiron

McGeady has always been class. I reckon he's going to make a big impact in this tournament.

ColeTrain

Pro. F wrote: »

He is a shìte crosser. He hits the first defender or completely mis-hits his cross far too much. It's not even up for debate.

Some awful sh*te on this thread looking back at it.

Pro. F

ColeTrain wrote: »

Some awful sh*te on this thread looking back at it.

You think today's game proves what I said wrong? Ha. You lads are desperate.

tvercetti

Pro. F wrote: »

You think today's game proves what I said wrong? Ha. You lads are desperate.

For those who missed todays game and are too lazy to read the match thread, how good or bad was he??

From the few posts here, it appears he had a good game, he really has a stage to shine with games against Spain, Italy and Croatia coming up, I have never been a big fan but I think he could be vital in Poland.

ColeTrain

Pro. F wrote: »

You think today's game proves what I said wrong? Ha. You lads are desperate.

No today was only a friendly. I just highlighted a comment that's wide off the mark, I don't mind anyone having a opinion but saying "it's not up for debate" makes you look stupid when Aiden puts in crosses like today and against Estonia. Long may it continue.

PhlegmyMoses

I think McGeady will have some suitors after Euro 2012. The English will actually watch some matches he is involved in and he is by far our most dangerous and flashy player. May be back in the EPL this year.

Panthro

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

I think McGeady will have some suitors after Euro 2012. The English will actually watch some matches he is involved in and he is by far our most dangerous and flashy player. May be back in the EPL this year.

When was he in the EPL?

PhlegmyMoses

Yeah, didn't mean that at all. But you knew that.

Oat23

ColeTrain wrote: »

Some awful sh*te on this thread looking back at it.

His crossing was sh*te. It has improved though. What pro f said last year was not wrong. I've said it a bunch of times too about his crossing being p*ss poor.

ColeTrain

Oatesy23 wrote: »

His crossing was sh*te. It has improved though. What pro f said last year was not wrong. I've said it a bunch of times too about his crossing being p*ss poor.

Nah his crossing was never shi*e.
Just because some of his crosses have been converted you're trying to make out he's a different player. Not the case at all.

I'm looking forward to seeing how much damage McGeady and McClean can cause other teams in the next few weeks.

Pro. F

ColeTrain wrote: »

No today was only a friendly. I just highlighted a comment that's wide off the mark, I don't mind anyone having a opinion but saying "it's not up for debate" makes you look stupid when Aiden puts in crosses like today and against Estonia. Long may it continue.

Today proves nothing. You going back 50 posts to drag up a comment, makes it look like you think otherwise.

He did nothing impressive in terms of crossing against Estonia. One half decent cross that is excellently headed home and the McGeady bandwagon jizzes itself. You really are a hoot.

Lamper.sffc

That was one of the best performances Aiden has put in for Ireland albeit a friendly game with a competitive edge, but its about doing it consistantly, and I hope he can reproduce that game in game out. The competition for places is having the proper response and can only be a good thing heading into the tournament.

applehunter

I give out about McGeady a bit but he was great when he came on today.

Kept it simple and looked very dangerous.

carlop

Oatesy23 wrote: »

His crossing was sh*te. It has improved though. What pro f said last year was not wrong. I've said it a bunch of times too about his crossing being p*ss poor.

This. It's unfair to attack pro f about a post made over a year ago. To me, today and any recent clip of McGeady show me that his crossing has come on a lot.

A year ago I would have complained about his final ball but today it was flawless. Let's see how it fares against better quality full backs, but no doubt that he his delivery was the biggest positive to take from today's match.

Mushy

applehunter wrote: »

I give out about McGeady a bit but he was great when he came on today.

Kept it simple and looked very dangerous.

This sums it up for me. Hope to see more of it over the next month.

Corholio

Not buying this 'he's crossing has come on a lot' stuff quite yet. It was only 2 games ago in the play off's against Estonia that his crossing was very poor. I was glad to see him play well today, but he has to do it a lot more often.The thing he needs to improve more than that though is his footballing brain, it can be severely lacking, it's something I hope can be improved.

darkman2

Pro. F wrote: »

He did nothing impressive in terms of crossing against Estonia.

LIES - did you not see his cross for Andrews for the first away goal? The credibility of your argument has just been shot.

Oat23

Corholio wrote: »

Not buying this 'he's crossing has come on a lot' stuff quite yet. It was only 2 games ago in the play off's against Estonia that his crossing was very poor.

Lets not forget that he does play club football too. His crossing has improved there. There was one game a few weeks ago against CSKA where his delivery was particularly impressive on a few crosses. I think he had an assist too.

Corholio

Oatesy23 wrote: »

Lets not forget that he does play club football too. His crossing has improved there. There was one game a few weeks ago against CSKA where his delivery was particularly impressive on a few crosses. I think he had an assist too.

Of course, maybe it has improved at club level, but means nothing if he's still hitting first defender at international level, and not putting in decent crosses over a number of games.

darkman2

Corholio wrote: »

Of course, maybe it has improved at club level, but means nothing if he's still hitting first defender at international level, and not putting in decent crosses over a number of games.

But he is putting in great crosses. He is really a fantastic player very under rated here IMO.

Francie Barrett

Pro. F wrote: »

Today proves nothing. You going back 50 posts to drag up a comment, makes it look like you think otherwise.

He did nothing impressive in terms of crossing against Estonia. One half decent cross that is excellently headed home and the McGeady bandwagon jizzes itself. You really are a hoot.

You're on the money.

McGeady finally has his first moderately decent game after nearly 50 attempts against a team who looked like they couldn't give a stuff and we have people hailing him as a messiah. McClean and Duff has been much more consistent and we hear a lot less about it.

darkman2

Francie Barrett wrote: »

You're on the money.

McGeady finally has his first moderately decent game after nearly 50 attempts against a team who looked like they couldn't give a stuff and we have people hailing him as a messiah. McClean and Duff has been much more consistent and we hear a lot less about it.

You must be blind. I have sympathy for your disability. McGeady is class - McClean is not.

Kingdom Bhoy

James McClean was quality first half but faded second half. Given it was his first international start hopefully he will learn from it. Aido oozed class and the move to Russia has clearly been a good career move for him.

Coillte_Bhoy

Francie Barrett wrote: »

You're on the money.

McGeady finally has his first moderately decent game after nearly 50 attempts against a team who looked like they couldn't give a stuff and we have people hailing him as a messiah. McClean and Duff has been much more consistent and we hear a lot less about it.

Moderately decent? what bloody game were you looking at? I presume you watch mc geady play in russia as much as you watch McLean to make that comparison? And we hear plenty abut mc Clean. Duff is duff, we know what he can do

the realpigiron

Pro. F wrote: »

Today proves nothing. You going back 50 posts to drag up a comment, makes it look like you think otherwise.

He did nothing impressive in terms of crossing against Estonia. One half decent cross that is excellently headed home and the McGeady bandwagon jizzes itself. You really are a hoot.

McGeady is a first choice pick for Ireland and rightly so. His performance yesterday - albeit in a friendly game - was excellent. I'm expecting more of the same from McGeady in the tournament when it starts. It really reflects poorly on people like you that you can't give credit where it's due, just because you can't admit when you are wrong.

lordgoat

Christ, world class? The delusion sometime makes you wonder if people watch the same game as you. He's a decent player. I'd have Duff and McClean ahead of him, why? They are more intelligent players, they use the ball better. They don't try and beat a player unnecessarily. They work harder. They don't get caught out of position. The don't need 50+ appearances to demonstrate they can cross a football. They help their fullback out more. They hold the shape of the team better. I could probably go on. But i'll stop now.
He's a poor man's Matt Jarvis (especially on the right)

Blatter

McClean >>>>>>>>>>> McGeady