Diesel Vs Petrol prices

Dartz

Standard winter diesel increase.

Need to have dual fuel cars. Only reason a diesel can't run on petrol is the fuel pumps. It shouldn't be impossible to design a fuel pump that can handle both. And would allow drivers to select the cheapest fuel.

Basq

Dartz wrote: »

Standard winter diesel increase.

Wasn't aware of this as don't drive a diesel.

Average of Pumps.ie is still (not to be taken as gospel obviously!):

Petrol: 149.9c
Diesel: 145.9c

Alanstrainor

Right, i've merged your thread with this one Basq. There's been quite a few about the same thing recently. May as well get them all together.

bazz26

All those sheep who do feck all mileage but went out and bought diesel cars because they were cheaper to tax, diesel was a few cent cheaper at the pump and because everyone else were doing the same are now giving out because diesel has risen above petrol prices.

I wonder now will there be an influx of "uneconomical" diesel cars traded in for new petrol ones come January?

dr.fuzzenstein

Dartz wrote: »

Standard winter diesel increase.

Need to have dual fuel cars. Only reason a diesel can't run on petrol is the fuel pumps. It shouldn't be impossible to design a fuel pump that can handle both. And would allow drivers to select the cheapest fuel.

Where to start...

dr.fuzzenstein

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Where to start...

Surely a p1ss take ........

Tragedy

Isn't there a new mazda engine that's the same block for both diesel/petrol? Runs the same compression ratio(very high for a petrol and very low for a diesel).

... not really the notion that was suggested though.

Tragedy

RoverJames wrote: »

... not really the notion that was suggested though.

Does his comment really need to be talked about further, in fairness?

Le_Dieux

Sobanek wrote: »

132.9 unleaded
126.9 diesel

14th of Nov, 2010 prices on the same station that wants 145.9 for unleaded and 146.9 for diesel today.

What station Sobanek? I noticed yesterday the one up near Wyeth was cheaper than MCL, something I never seen before - though by the time I got home last night, the station had upped its prices again.

These bastards ( for me ) are running a cartel. MCL is a wholesaler/supplier and should be cheaper than most. I bought in The Applegreen in Celbridge yesterday @ €144.8/lt. They ain't selling at a loss, so just how much profit is there in a litre? Thats why i don't buy this BS about the price automatically rising this time of year because of the elements.

Another thing: The garage on the quay which was found guilty last week doctoring its measurements, they are selling at €141.9/lt yesterday - now they must also be making a profit ( surely they aren't that effing stupid to be still selling under false measurement pretences).

Sorry for my rant, I just don't buy this crap about the time of year nonsense.

Le_Dieux

C4Kid wrote: »

The tax new carbon tax on petrol will probably be more then diesel too as they struggle to continue subsidizing diesel.

Whats this 'subsidy' sh1t? The leeches get over 60% of a litre of fuel ( no matter if it is petrol or diesel) through taxes in various forms, so what subsidy is being given to diesel?

C4Kid

Le_Dieux wrote: »

Whats this 'subsidy' sh1t? The leeches get over 60% of a litre of fuel ( no matter if it is petrol or diesel) through taxes in various forms, so what subsidy is being given to diesel?

Ok subsidy was the wrong word, I'm on about the increases to fuel in the last budget. Petrol went up by 4c and Diesel by 2c. Thats unfair and in my eyes another way of keeping Diesel artifically lower.

All I'm saying is I won't be suprised if the same happens again in Dec.

dr.fuzzenstein

Well, with the property tax, fuel tax hike, carbon tax hike, vat hike and God knows what else, I might have to quit my job, sell my car, tell the bank, the state and anyone else to get fcuked if they want money, arrive at the dole office, kick open the door, shout WHERE'S MY BLOODY MONEY, MEDICAL CARD, FUEL ALLOWANCE AND RENT RELIEF???!!! and go home, sit back and relax.
Why would I work like a fool, struggle each day to pay my bills and have nothing left over for myself?
When times are so hard that normal people cannot survive and work solely to pay the bills and taxes, surely it's not worth it?
Why do it?
I don't even have health insurance and pension, because A: my employer is a tight git who "doesn't do any of that bullsh*t" and B: I have less than zero left over at the end of the month, in fact I have to do work on the side, I have started selling stuff I'd rather keep and rely on money that has to turn up out of the blue.
So why bother?
Here's what to do:
Stop paying your mortgage and sell your house or let the bank take it.
If the bank takes it, gut it and sell anything of value inside, right down to the dry lining and pipes.
Quit your job, paying income tax is for losers.
Sign on and make sure you get advise on how to claim for the maximum benefits you possibly can, including "adopting" some neighbour's kids.
Start doing cash only jobs.
Buy a E100 banger of a car with no tax or NCT, only drive backroads at 3am.
Live in a caravan in a field that's off the grid and off the radar, own water, own power, own sewage and no rubbish collection, hence no property tax either.
Being computer literate now pays off, being able to chip games consoles, jailbreak phones, flash laptops to accept Windows 7, download movies and burn them on disk to sell are invaluable skills.
Grow your own and stuff all the money you get into a pillow case.
Now you are self sufficient and the state can go hop off a cliff.
And I might just do it.

johnos1984

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Buy a E100 banger of a car with no tax or NCT, only drive backroads at 3am.

Why 3am?

The roads are open 24hrs a day 7 days a week and it doesn't stop all of the others doing it

dr.fuzzenstein

johnos1984 wrote: »

Why 3am?

The roads are open 24hrs a day 7 days a week and it doesn't stop all of the others doing it

Why not 3am.
Oh, I get it, ok, will do! :-)
Sure, a lot of people seem to have a vault in their house that they can just go down to and pick up a few bundles of notes and say "let's go on holidays, darling"
Things are somewhat different in my household, and surely others as well.
One party is currently out of work and can't find a job, I have lost my job and currently do a fcuking sh*t job for a cnut wanker that pays less plus I have lost the privilege of having a car supplied by my work.
Our bills didn't go down, in fact they are going ever up.
There are thousands of households where one or both partners have lost their jobs and are struggling.
It's great for the rest of you who still have both jobs, apart from not having as much money for the pub, the restaurant and holidays, nothing has changed.
But this budget will push thousands of people over the edge.
Ever heard from the law of diminishing returns?
At some stage the government is going to squeeze so hard, it will get less back, because people fall off the edge, lose everything and can no longer contribute.
plus banks will lose out on mortgage repayments, need more money to be bailed out, tax hikes, more people lose their homes, more money for the banks from the state...
You cannot tax your way out of a recession and for thousands, even hundreds of thousands of people things are beyond tight and this is the last straw.
And there's more to come, much more.
So, lying, cheating, stealing, evading tax and working in the black economy are not hings I WANT to do, but I HAVE to do, if I don't want to end up under a bridge.
Crime is about the only thing that pays these days.
Not that that would ever occur to our gallant leaders that are being paid hundreds of thousands to be driven around in chauffeur driven limos to their jobs in the ivory tower.

I'd like to say rant over, but it's about the only thing that keeps me sane, so more to come...

paulmclaughlin

Dude you need to chill.

kkelly77

paulmclaughlin wrote: »

Dude you need to chill.

Well done on your eloquent response and thought provoking points raised :rolleyes:

Truer words were never spoken Doc!!

paulmclaughlin

kkelly77 wrote: »

Truer words were never spoken Doc!!

Not when it's promoting illegal activity.

Bandara

And when it's a complete stream of nonsense

Foxhole Norman

Saw this about half an hour ago in Texaco on the South Douglas Road, Cork:

Diesel : 151.9
Petrol : 147.9

4c in difference. What's going on?

Bandara

Foxhole Norman wrote: »

Saw this about half an hour ago in Texaco on the South Douglas Road, Cork:

Diesel : 151.9
Petrol : 147.9

4c in difference. What's going on?

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056453970?page=1#post_75517009

neilthefunkeone

Man only noticed these today when i was out with my mate in his Black smoker!! He wasn't impressed.. Petrol 5c cheaper @ Texaco spawell..

Le_Dieux

C4Kid wrote: »

Ok subsidy was the wrong word, I'm on about the increases to fuel in the last budget. Petrol went up by 4c and Diesel by 2c. Thats unfair and in my eyes another way of keeping Diesel artifically lower.

All I'm saying is I won't be suprised if the same happens again in Dec.

Whats unfair? Please - do you think the trucks that deliver practically everything you find in Your local store around the country run on fresh air? I am not condoning petrol being more expensive than diesel, all I am saying is that I heard that a**hole noonan on Friday on the radio stating that he was putting up the VAT so as not to touch income tax, as that ( the income tax ) would hinder job creation. What effing planet does he live on? Putting 2% ( at least) on diesel IS going to increase inflation whether we like it or not, and can only lead to more people being laid off.

So, please this notion of unfair actions by not increasing diesel the same price as petrol is nonsense. I also have travelled to every continent throughout the world over the past number of years, and while not going to every vountry on every continent, I have yet to see a country where diesel is more expensive than petrol.

mcwhirter

Where I live almost all staions have diesel 1c cheaper than petrol, yet last week, diesel was about 5 c cheaper.
What is going on?, it's almost worth buying a petrol car over diesel now for a daily runner if you go for cars pre 2008 when it is on engine size for tax.

mcwhirter

Le_Dieux wrote: »

Whats unfair? Please - do you think the trucks that deliver practically everything you find in Your local store around the country run on fresh air? I am not condoning petrol being more expensive than diesel, all I am saying is that I heard that a**hole noonan on Friday on the radio stating that he was putting up the VAT so as not to touch income tax, as that ( the income tax ) would hinder job creation. What effing planet does he live on? Putting 2% ( at least) on diesel IS going to increase inflation whether we like it or not, and can only lead to more people being laid off.

So, please this notion of unfair actions by not increasing diesel the same price as petrol is nonsense. I also have travelled to every continent throughout the world over the past number of years, and while not going to every vountry on every continent, I have yet to see a country where diesel is more expensive than petrol.

Diesel is more than petrol in the UK, you weren't looking very hard.

Le_Dieux

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Why not 3am.
Oh, I get it, ok, will do! :-)
Sure, a lot of people seem to have a vault in their house that they can just go down to and pick up a few bundles of notes and say "let's go on holidays, darling"
Things are somewhat different in my household, and surely others as well.
One party is currently out of work and can't find a job, I have lost my job and currently do a fcuking sh*t job for a cnut wanker that pays less plus I have lost the privilege of having a car supplied by my work.
Our bills didn't go down, in fact they are going ever up.
There are thousands of households where one or both partners have lost their jobs and are struggling.
It's great for the rest of you who still have both jobs, apart from not having as much money for the pub, the restaurant and holidays, nothing has changed.
But this budget will push thousands of people over the edge.
Ever heard from the law of diminishing returns?
At some stage the government is going to squeeze so hard, it will get less back, because people fall off the edge, lose everything and can no longer contribute.
plus banks will lose out on mortgage repayments, need more money to be bailed out, tax hikes, more people lose their homes, more money for the banks from the state...
You cannot tax your way out of a recession and for thousands, even hundreds of thousands of people things are beyond tight and this is the last straw.
And there's more to come, much more.
So, lying, cheating, stealing, evading tax and working in the black economy are not hings I WANT to do, but I HAVE to do, if I don't want to end up under a bridge.
Crime is about the only thing that pays these days.
Not that that would ever occur to our gallant leaders that are being paid hundreds of thousands to be driven around in chauffeur driven limos to their jobs in the ivory tower.

I'd like to say rant over, but it's about the only thing that keeps me sane, so more to come...

And You are being told to chill Dr?? For me, You never said a truer word.

Know what makes me laugh/despair/despondant even more? This bunch of 'so-called' ministers are absolutly no better than the last lot. Willie Penrose resigned this week on a matter of principle - and got €30G's for his trouble. I know its not His fault, but the ****ing system sucks. Sorry, now I am onto another thread altogether, sorry Mods.

Le_Dieux

mcwhirter wrote: »

Diesel is more than petrol in the UK, you weren't looking very hard.

I did say over a number of years, sorry, wasn't there in the past month or so.

dr.fuzzenstein

paulmclaughlin wrote: »

Not when it's promoting illegal activity.

Quitting my job, tell the bank to get fcuked, gut the house and sell everything of value, sign on, stuff all money in a pillow case, live off the grid, grow as much of my own food as possible, nothing illegal.
All the other stuff: What the hell.
Banks and their minions have damaged the world economy to the tune of trillions are the ordinary Joe has to bail them out.
So, doing cash only jobs, bartering, living cashless as far as possible, have your name on as little paperwork as possible, in short, finding alternatives to taxes, work, banking, cash, in short bypassing the global economy as far as possible will soon be very important.
The world economy will take another few falls, that will wipe out millions of jobs, along with the banks and governments.
Once that happens, you better hope you have a house, a bit of land and are able to live independently, most of us these days are so dependent on work=money=food that a lot of people will starve once that equation doesn't work anymore.
It now remains to be seen if the world economy can recover, or banks will take governments with them, along with most currencies, companies, most jobs and basically civilisation as we know it.
It's not impossible you know.
Mightn't happen, but some things I can guarantee:
It will be at least a decade before things will pick up. And another before they're back to where they were.
So get ready for ten hard years, where your income will get less and less and your outgoings will be more and more. After that it might at least not get worse for a while.

Mc Love

Fuel stations in West Limerick and Kerry are charging unreal prices for diesel. On a level with petrol nearly

Cionád

142.9 for petrol in Esso Fairyhouse, 146.9 for diesel.

Small bit of compensation for moving from diesel to petrol during the summer!

mickdw

People appear to be forgetting that the few cent that diesel was cheaper than petrol was only a very small part of the whole cost saving when diesel car is compared to petrol car. The MPG is where the real saving is.

Sobanek

mickdw wrote: »

People appear to be forgetting that the few cent that diesel was cheaper than petrol was only a very small part of the whole cost saving when diesel car is compared to petrol car. The MPG is where the real saving is.

Exactly. Unless the petrol engine consumes as much fuel as diesel.

(BMW 320i F30 ehm..)

n97 mini

mickdw wrote: »

People appear to be forgetting that the few cent that diesel was cheaper than petrol was only a very small part of the whole cost saving when diesel car is compared to petrol car. The MPG is where the real saving is.

People also forget that when the turbo/DMF/DPF/swirl flaps in their modern diesel car goes boom, there goes 10 years of savings.....

Mc Love

Anyone know if this is true or not? (found it on another forum)

TIPS ON PUMPING PETROL


I don't know what you guys are paying for petrol.... I am paying up to £1.35
to £1.50 per litre.
My line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some
tricks to get more of your money's worth for every Litre:


Here at the Shell Pipeline where I work , we deliver about 4 million litres
in a 24-hour period ..
One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and petrol, regular and premium
grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of
16,800,000 Litres.


Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground
temperature is still cold.
Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below
ground.

The colder the ground the more dense the petrol, when it gets warmer petrol
expands,
so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your litre is not exactly a
litre. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and
the temperature of the petrol, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other
petroleum products plays an important role.


A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business.
But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.


When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast
mode
If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle,
and high.
You should be pumping on low mode, thereby minimizing the vapours that are
created while you are pumping.
All hoses at the pump have a vapour return.

If you are pumping on the fast rate, some of the liquid that goes to your
tank becomes vapour.
Those vapours are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank
so you're getting less worth for your money.


One of the most important tips is to fill up when your Petrol tank is HALF
FULL.

The reason for this is the more Petrol you have in your tank the less air
occupying its empty space. petrol evaporates faster than you can
imagine. petrol storage tanks have an internal floating roof.
This roof serves as zero clearance between the Petrol and the atmosphere, so
it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations,
here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so
that every litre is actually the exact amount.


Another reminder, if there is a petrol truck pumping into the storage tanks
when you stop to buy Petrol, DO NOT fill up; most likely the
petrol is being stirred up as the Petrol is being delivered, and you might
pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom.

Guy:Incognito

Mc Love wrote: »

Anyone know if this is true or not? (found it on another forum)

TIPS ON PUMPING PETROL


I don't know what you guys are paying for petrol.... I am paying up to £1.35
to £1.50 per litre.
My line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some
tricks to get more of your money's worth for every Litre:


Here at the Shell Pipeline where I work , we deliver about 4 million litres
in a 24-hour period ..
One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and petrol, regular and premium
grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of
16,800,000 Litres.


Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground
temperature is still cold.
Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below
ground.

The colder the ground the more dense the petrol, when it gets warmer petrol
expands,
so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your litre is not exactly a
litre. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and
the temperature of the petrol, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other
petroleum products plays an important role.


A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business.
But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.


When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast
mode
If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle,
and high.
You should be pumping on low mode, thereby minimizing the vapours that are
created while you are pumping.
All hoses at the pump have a vapour return.

If you are pumping on the fast rate, some of the liquid that goes to your
tank becomes vapour.
Those vapours are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank
so you're getting less worth for your money.


One of the most important tips is to fill up when your Petrol tank is HALF
FULL.

The reason for this is the more Petrol you have in your tank the less air
occupying its empty space. petrol evaporates faster than you can
imagine. petrol storage tanks have an internal floating roof.
This roof serves as zero clearance between the Petrol and the atmosphere, so
it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations,
here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so
that every litre is actually the exact amount.


Another reminder, if there is a petrol truck pumping into the storage tanks
when you stop to buy Petrol, DO NOT fill up; most likely the
petrol is being stirred up as the Petrol is being delivered, and you might
pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom.

Thats been knocking around in email form and on forums for as long as theres been email and forums.

It was probably spammed to fax machines before that.

dharn

sound like a load of b**** to me certainly ground temperature is not going to change that quick ie from morning to afternoon, the evaporation thing possibly but if you leave a can of petrol without its lid it will still take a long time to evaporate

Bandara

its only true if you buy a coffee and a breakkie roll as well, as the heat from the coffee and the roll expands the neutrinos in the air to increase the size of the fuel mass thus saving you zillions and zillions.

And thats a FACT.

matt70iu

wiger toods wrote: »

is there even any advantage in having a diesel car anymore? My brother was saying the other day that unless your doing mental milage, they're pretty much the same now.

Well you do generally get more out of a tank of diesel than a tank of patrol. Having said that, diesels tend to be more expensive to maintain in my experience.

You would need to be doing serious miles to really reap the benefits of diesel.

vetstu

One station beside us has petrol at 146.9 and diesel at 148.9. The owners brother's station a half mile away is 148.9 for both. Wouldn't touch his diesel with a barge pole though.

Joe Public

I was down in west Limerick over the weekend and on the way down noticed a filling station in Kilcornan selling diesel at €1.41.9 and petrol something like €1.43.9. The large illuminated sign had "Low Price Fuels" as the only name I could see. On the pumps there were stickers "cash only". I asked a few people I was visiting near Foynes if they know of anything dodgy about the garage but the said they hadn't heard any bad stories and knew of the station. I got a fill of diesel from there on the way back. I did a bit of googling and didn't find anything specific to filling stations with the "Low Price Fuels" name. Does anyone know anything good or bad about it?

Alanstrainor

If it's too good to be true...

Joe Public

Alanstrainor wrote: »

If it's too good to be true...

I'm led to believe they have been selling cheaper for more than a few days so you'd expect the high price stations in the area are complaining to the authorities. Given that, you'd imagine someone should have visited and done some fuel testing to make sure they are above board seeing as laundered diesel and maybe petrol is a hot topic.

creedp

Joe Public wrote: »

I was down in west Limerick over the weekend and on the way down noticed a filling station in Kilcornan selling diesel at €1.41.9 and petrol something like €1.43.9. The large illuminated sign had "Low Price Fuels" as the only name I could see. On the pumps there were stickers "cash only". I asked a few people I was visiting near Foynes if they know of anything dodgy about the garage but the said they hadn't heard any bad stories and knew of the station. I got a fill of diesel from there on the way back. I did a bit of googling and didn't find anything specific to filling stations with the "Low Price Fuels" name. Does anyone know anything good or bad about it?

Whatever about the diesel being cheap as the usual response know is that it is laundered .. how can they sell petrol that cheap? If there is no mark up as we are led to believe are they selling it under cost with a view to balancing the loss with profit on laundered diesel? This stuff would make you paranoid. If I see a station selling diesel at even a cent below the guys down the road now I'm thinking aha laundered!!