Big "beautiful" women, are some overweight women really this delusional?

spdmrphy

aido179 wrote: »

BBW is a porn catagory. End of.

What may make this thread useful is a group definition of curvy. Skeletal shape or body fat induced?

Curvy skeleton?? What, you mean like rickets, or scoliosis?

constitutionus

Kaching wrote: »

Another confidence issue there

really ?

cause one of the guys im on about was a model.

i put it down to him being sick of being surrounded by neurotic permanently dieting stick insects.

TBH i'd have to question your own confidence if you have such trouble with people having differing sexual tastes to you.

theres lots of differnt body types out there for a reason and its not insane to think its because it men like them.

Kaching

I am extremely confident and know enough to now that the reason most mags look for fuller models is because a healthy weight is beautiful compared to being greeted in bed by someone with rolls of fat hanging off them

constitutionus

psychward wrote: »

My problem always was that I am exactly the same drunk as sober... slightly mad on both counts So I would approach a lot of very hot girls as I couldn't rely on booze for ''courage.''
The hot girls are in their own bubble like every other social grouping. There was always some gay guy with a sweater wrapped around his shoulders trying to cock block though but not sure whos cock he was after lol. And a lot of times a BBW friend who seemed to feel hard done by if she didn't get first pick of whichever men approached and if she didn't then she'd try to sabotage it for her hot friend and even try to make them leave the club or go home early. I danced with a hot girl who begged me to shift her fat friend more than once. She even gave my number to her fat friend (whos arms had fat hanging like bat wings even though she was only 20 ugh) who then proceeded to text me a few times a day for months even though I ignored those texts. On Halloween she texted me : im wearing my bunny ears and nothing else..... absolute looper.... a lucky escape. I had barely exchanged 10 words with her in that club and had ignored her for hours there and never saw her again. It took years of therapy to be even able to tell this story :pac:

what goes on in clubs is mental.

for instance the thing about hot girls getting sod all attention (and i mean HOT, not better than average) was down to a session one night with a mate of mine.

i told him i'd fancied one of his co workers and he said i shouldve went for her as she gets no where with men. i thought he was talking bollocks but he said watch her tonight.

like you in your post she was out with her short fat mate.

the fat girl got mooched five times that night, the only bloke to come up to the hot girl was bearly able to stand at the end of the night and just fell on her

she ended up going home getting no where.

i couldnt belive it but its something i seen more of over the years. im telling ya if i hadve been single myself at the time i'dve been right over.

it just seem blokes get intimidated.

for instance i was down the playhouse in tallaght once when leilani was down for some occasion or another (she's a page 3 girl for the youngster out there ).

usually the celeb types dont pass the velvet rope but she came down on the dancefloor with her mate so me an my friend went over to dance with her.

now we had NO illusions of hooking up, just doing it for a laugh and to say we danced with a page 3 girl.

there were NO blokes around her

just an orbiting ring of women.

its mental but there you go. we got a post card off her of her in her skimpy lingere with an autograph afterwards. seemed a really nice girl.

Paddy Cow

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

shallow hal, is one movie that shows this it took 5 yrs to make, Gwyneth spent 2 yrs putting on weight for the overweight scenes, then spent 2 yrs losing it for the underweight scenes,

where they could of just cast an overweight woman for the part.

She wore a fat suit!

3ndahalfof6

Paddy Cow wrote: »

She wore a fat suit!

I didnt think it would take that long.

Dudess

satcmegafan wrote: »

irishben wrote: »

I know many of my friends fancy women with a bit of weight on them, which is fine ofcourse, its only when men only see these ladies as objects instead of real people with feelings, that a problem arises.

I agree with you irishben, finally someone with a brain..
dudess - i know what the term bbw refers to, no need to explain it to me..as i said previously size 6 was an example. who's right is it for anyone to say that these women couldnt possibly be happy with themselves that they are in fact deluding themselves - no ones in my view. They surely do know the health risks of being that overweight and thats another thing all together but what a bbw should never date, stay indoors and have no life, how dare she call herself hot or beautiful - i find that kind of mentality really sad, a bbw is as much entitled to feel good about herself as anyone else of any other size - note I am not referring to a size 6!

Lol - you imply those who don't fully share your view don't have a brain, yet talk about being "attacked" here. A BBW woman is of course entitled to do stuff to feel good about herself, to be in relationships, but people are only saying it's unlikely a person of that weight is genuinely happy with how they are - I'm not even talking about how it looks, but the day-to-day stuff like Larianne says.
Plus, it's not like it's a skin colour or disability that people aren't in control of, even though I know excess weight gain can have complex causes.

gbee

dilbert2 wrote: »

"to be big is to be beautiful".

Women in particular are very susceptible to advertising, they pay €200 for a hairdo instead of say €15.

They spend €80 on perfume where a €5 bottle of scent would do.

But it is wrong to be encouraging obesity, either male or female don't need encouragement.

A chunky male is not necessarily an impediment to a sexual relationship, a chunky female on the other hand may have to find a desperate or fetish male.

Men are visual creatures and it's the visual that attracts them in the first instance, we don't see plumb or fuller figure models selling after shave or, or or

Dudess

We don't see overweight men advertising aftershave either.

doomsday

Dudess wrote: »

We don't see overweight men advertising aftershave either.

Nice one!

old hippy

gbee wrote: »

Women in particular are very susceptible to advertising, they pay €200 for a hairdo instead of say €15.

They spend €80 on perfume where a €5 bottle of scent would do.

But it is wrong to be encouraging obesity, either male or female don't need encouragement.

A chunky male is not necessarily an impediment to a sexual relationship, a chunky female on the other hand may have to find a desperate or fetish male.

Men are visual creatures and it's the visual that attracts them in the first instance, we don't see plumb or fuller figure models selling after shave or, or or

We don't see them because the industry is sizeist. It hasn't always been that way. If you have ever see a Rubens painting, you'll know what I mean.

As for the "visual" statement, that comes across as shallow & patronising. "Beauty" is only skin deep, after all.

smash

old hippy wrote: »

We don't see them because the industry is sizeist.

Well lets face it, it would take a lot for an obese person to make a product look good!

Haha the ad on the page when I wrote this, was for a cosmetic surgery

old hippy

smash wrote: »

Well lets face it, it would take a lot for an obese person to make a product look good!

Haha the ad on the page when I wrote this, was for a cosmetic surgery

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I am not promoting obesity but there is absolutely nothing wrong with being plump.

smash

old hippy wrote: »

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I am not promoting obesity but there is absolutely nothing wrong with being plump.

If I was advertising a product, no matter what it was, I would want the ad to look as good as possible. Being plump is fine. But why would you reduce the quality of your advertisements by casting a plump model?

Even Special K target people who want to lose weight and they wouldn't hire a plus size model. Why? Well simply because they want people to see what they could look like. They don't want to advertise the fact that you could become plump by eating it.

old hippy

smash wrote: »

If I was advertising a product, no matter what it was, I would want the ad to look as good as possible. Being plump is fine. But why would you reduce the quality of your advertisements by casting a plump model?

Even Special K target people who want to lose weight and they wouldn't hire a plus size model. Why? Well simply because they want people to see what they could look like. They don't want to advertise the fact that you could become plump by eating it.

Who says the quality would be reduced?

Dove used bigger women in their adverts a few years back & it was received positively.

gbee

old hippy wrote: »

Dove used bigger women in their adverts a few years back & it was received positively.

Of course it was.

But did they sell more soap [?] Are they still using larger models? [nope]

old hippy

gbee wrote: »

Of course it was.

But did they sell more soap [?] Are they still using larger models? [nope]

The fact that it was universally well received (the word "positively" gives it away) would indicate that they sold more soap.

I don't know if they are still using bigger models, I can't see why not.

Big is beautiful, folks. Don't let the body nazis tell you otherwise.

smash

old hippy wrote: »

Who says the quality would be reduced?

Dove used bigger women in their adverts a few years back & it was received positively.

Dove advertise soap. It's a universal product with no specific target demographic unless you're talking about the niche products like cellulite creams, and even in that case they had a model with not an ounce of fat or her. If it was a clothing line or health food do you think they'd advertise with a bigger person? They want the person that makes the clothes look their best or who the target market aspire to be.

old hippy wrote: »

Big is beautiful, folks. Don't let the body nazis tell you otherwise.

That's you're opinion, but it's not the general consensus.

old hippy

smash wrote: »

Dove advertise soap. It's a universal product with no specific target demographic unless you're talking about the niche products like cellulite creams, and even in that case they had a model with not an ounce of fat or her. If it was a clothing line or health food do you think they'd advertise with a bigger person? They want the person that makes the clothes look their best or who the target market aspire to be.

The target markets have been conditioned to equate big size with negativity.

old hippy

smash wrote: »

That's you're opinion, but it's not the general consensus.

You can hurtle towards body fascism like lemmings but you will never achieve your goal to crush the human spirit.

We shall endure.

Bad Panda

old hippy wrote: »

Big is beautiful, folks. Don't let the body nazis tell you otherwise.

The only people who say this are those too damn lazy to lose weight. Big is NOT beautiful.

I don't mind a bit of weight on a woman, but not to the extent of them being considered (by themselves) 'BBW'.

It seems these BBW would rather narrow their dating pool by referring to themselves as such instead of getting off their lazy asses and doing some exercise.

smash

old hippy wrote: »

The target markets have been conditioned to equate big size with negativity.

Or to encourage people to live a healthier lifestyle by fitting into clothes to match their ideal BMI for their size. It is not ok to encourage an overweight physique.

old hippy wrote: »

You can hurtle towards body fascism like lemmings but you will never achieve your goal to crush the human spirit.

We shall endure.

So you're on a mission to campaign against crushing the human spirit, and in that case, anyone who's not overweight is a fascist (or fatist in this case). Well that's a new excuse for being overweight.

stupidusername

it's like the people that call themselves BBW are in denial about the serious health problems they're likely to encounter. yeah you have the right to be big, if you believe you look good then fine, others opinions don't matter, but don't go trying to convince yourself it's ok, because it's not.

cursai

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

shallow hal, is one movie that shows this it took 5 yrs to make, Gwyneth spent 2 yrs putting on weight for the overweight scenes, then spent 2 yrs losing it for the underweight scenes,

where they could of just cast an overweight woman for the part.

....Seriously. She did a Raging Bull on it yeh.

gcgirl

cursai wrote: »

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

shallow hal, is one movie that shows this it took 5 yrs to make, Gwyneth spent 2 yrs putting on weight for the overweight scenes, then spent 2 yrs losing it for the underweight scenes,

where they could of just cast an overweight woman for the part.

....Seriously. She did a Raging Bull on it yeh.

Nope it was a fat suit, Christ was you born in a barn with swinging doors, Martin Lawrence used one for Big Mommas House

gcgirl

BBW is a porn term nothing else

Bad Panda

stupidusername wrote: »

it's like the people that call themselves BBW are in denial about the serious health problems they're likely to encounter. yeah you have the right to be big, if you believe you look good then fine, others opinions don't matter, but don't go trying to convince yourself it's ok, because it's not.

Exactly, I'm sure given the choice, we all know how they'd choose to be.

I've known women (and men) too embarrassed to take their clothes off at the beach. Says it all. Who would WANT to live like that?!

Bad Panda

gcgirl wrote: »

Nope it was a fat suit, Christ was you born in a barn with swinging doors, Martin Lawrence used one for Big Mommas House

No he didn't. He actually underwent transgender surgery, reversed it for when he was 'cop Martin Lawrence' and then underwent it again to finish the movie before finally getting back to his normal self for the dvd commentary.

gcgirl

I really hate the way weight somehow decides if you've got health problems, my uncle is well with in his bmi keeps fit does not smoke nor does not drink and it certainly did not stop him from having a stroke, his only good thing going was he lives in France(great healthcare)and not over here but I think we need to look at other reasons behind stroke/heartattacts

smash

gcgirl wrote: »

I really hate the way weight somehow decides if you've got health problems

It increases the risks. That's medical fact.

gcgirl

Bad Panda wrote: »

gcgirl wrote: »

Nope it was a fat suit, Christ was you born in a barn with swinging doors, Martin Lawrence used one for Big Mommas House

No he didn't. He actually underwent transgender surgery, reversed it for when he was 'cop Martin Lawrence' and then underwent it again to finish the movie before finally getting back to his normal self for the dvd commentary.

He should have been nominated for a Oscar scandalise

gcgirl

smash wrote: »

gcgirl wrote: »

I really hate the way weight somehow decides if you've got health problems

It increases the risks. That's medical fact.

And what about unhealthy skinng people suffering from stress ?

gbee

gcgirl wrote: »

BBW is a porn term nothing else

I don't know my porn then, what does it mean?

Bannasidhe

Or as my son once said to me 'what's the story will all these skinny women? I have never heard any guy say "Fwar - look at the pelvic bones on her" '

smash

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Or as my son once said to me 'what's the story will all these skinny women? I have never heard any guy say "Fwar - look at the pelvic bones on her" '

Shut it... hip bones are fkn hot!

gbee

gcgirl wrote: »

And what about unhealthy skinng people suffering from stress ?

It's about economics, the very thin and unhealthy girl is a small minority, a very small minority.

Facts are that 90% of the female population in Ireland would be obese clinically. THAT equates to MASSIVE dollar signs to health ministers who have to factor in treatments.

Logical Fallacy

gcgirl wrote: »

I really hate the way weight somehow decides if you've got health problems, my uncle is well with in his bmi keeps fit does not smoke nor does not drink and it certainly did not stop him from having a stroke, his only good thing going was he lives in France(great healthcare)and not over here but I think we need to look at other reasons behind stroke/heartattacts

Well weight is an important indicator...especially for things like heart disease and diabetes.

gbee wrote: »

It's about economics, the very thin and unhealthy girl is a small minority, a very small minority.

Facts are that 90% of the female population in Ireland would be obese clinically. THAT equates to MASSIVE dollar signs to health ministers who have to factor in treatments.

What the ****?

I know it's AH but come on ffs.

Bannasidhe

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Well weight is an important indicator...especially for things like heart disease and diabetes.

Well I have diabetes and I am spot on in my BMI - there is a genetic component to such conditions.

The only time I was over the BMI was many, many years ago when I played rugby (womens)- including being capped for Munster and Ireland. I trained twice a week, went to the gym the other nights and during the season played a match every Sunday. My body fat percentage was less then the 20% usually recommended for women. According to the BMI, however, I was 'obese'.

Logical Fallacy

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Well I have diabetes and I am spot on in my BMI - there is a genetic component to such conditions.

I never said the two were inextricably linked...merely that they can be important factors.

gbee

Bannasidhe wrote: »

however, I was 'obese'.

I think this is very important fact. And IMO it has made it 'impossible' not to be obese ~ detrimentally, I feel people in general just give up and say to hell with it.

gcgirl

gbee wrote: »

gcgirl wrote: »

BBW is a porn term nothing else

I don't know my porn then, what does it mean?

Log on to redtube my dear

Bannasidhe

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

I never said the two were inextricably linked...merely that they can be important factors.

True.

My point is that conditions like diabetes are being linked in the public mind with obesity (and yes - obesity can be a factor in developing Type II, but it is not a 'given') and the linking of the two is often unhelpful.

Over in the Long-term illness one poster was saying how he moved to a new town, went to see his new GP - told her he was diabetic and she replied -'you can't be! You're not fat!!'. :eek:
When medical 'professionals' are spouting such nonsense then imagine what non-medical people say. I have actually heard people state that diabetics only have themselves to blame as their gluttony made them get it.:rolleyes:

I have no idea if my great-grand father was a 'fatty' (he was a solider on active duty so its unlikely - he died in his mid-20s so we have no way of knowing if he would have become a 'fatty') and that is why he passed his dodgy diabetes riddled genes on to my grandmother - who gave them to my father (and two of his siblings) who in turn passed them on to me.

Bannasidhe

gbee wrote: »

I think this is very important fact. And IMO it has made it 'impossible' not to be obese ~ detrimentally, I feel people in general just give up and say to hell with it.

The BMI as it measures body mass but does not distinguish between fat and muscle at all - which was why in my rugby playing days I was 'obese' - is a ridiculous system - IMHO .

gcgirl

Out of my few peers(around my age) who have died from heartattacts and cancer, they have all been regular people all with in their ideal bmi, along with my health freak of an uncle he was 48 at the time with a 3 yr old son when he had his stroke and I personally think genetics play more of a part than any one thinks

old hippy

Bad Panda wrote: »

The only people who say this are those too damn lazy to lose weight. Big is NOT beautiful.

I don't mind a bit of weight on a woman, but not to the extent of them being considered (by themselves) 'BBW'.

It seems these BBW would rather narrow their dating pool by referring to themselves as such instead of getting off their lazy asses and doing some exercise.

Did you say "narrow", as in "narrow minded". Oh, the irony :rolleyes:

Dudess

gbee wrote: »

Facts are that 90% of the female population in Ireland would be obese clinically. THAT equates to MASSIVE dollar signs to health ministers who have to factor in treatments.

Nope, that's not a fact.

But anyway, obvious troll post aside, I don't agree morbidly obese is beautiful - that is my opinion, not brainwashing by body fascists.

Fair enough there's nothing wrong with a bit of junk in the trunk, but that's not what this thread is about. BBW is hugely overweight, miles bigger than size 14/16. Why isn't the distinction being made by some? It's like the equating of a light slap on the arse to batterings and torture on those smacking threads.

smash

old hippy wrote: »

Did you say "narrow", as in "narrow minded". Oh, the irony :rolleyes:

oooook then... :rolleyes:

old hippy

smash wrote: »

oooook then... :rolleyes:

No, it's not ok. Oppressing women of a certain size. Shame on you all.

Feisar

old hippy wrote: »

The fact that it was universally well received (the word "positively" gives it away) would indicate that they sold more soap.

I don't know if they are still using bigger models, I can't see why not.

Big is beautiful, folks. Don't let the body nazis tell you otherwise.

Why is big beautiful?

Sure in the sense that we are all individual little snowflakes we are all beautiful but in terms of attractiveness? Hardly.

smash

old hippy wrote: »

No, it's not ok. Oppressing women of a certain size. Shame on you all.

Ah I get it now.... you're trolling. :rolleyes: