Big "beautiful" women, are some overweight women really this delusional?

Yahew

These arguments are nonsensical. Obviously the term BBW is designed to make people feel better about themselves, but it is in no sense a form of arrogance, quite the opposite i would have thought.

Feisar

Delusional

old hippy

Feisar wrote: »

Delusional

Nasty man.

Feisar

old hippy wrote: »

Nasty man.

Sorry! Seen it last night and thought of this thread.

old hippy

Feisar wrote: »

Sorry! Seen it last night and thought of this thread.

I think this thread's making me quite unhappy.

kieranfitz

My 2 cents on it is that the beautiful part tends to be misused, I've known big girls who did look good. But I've come across quite a few describing themselves as bbw who look like they were run over by a heard of stampeding wilder beast

Dudess

I don't agree with any bullying of obese people, but I think it's unfair and extremely disingenuous to say that's the only thing going on here.
Women who are a bit chubby, flabby etc are not the ones being referred to here. "BBW" is extremely overweight.
If a woman is 25 stone and going on about her sexy curves etc, fair enough, some guys have a preference for that, but it's niche. And she is just humiliating herself and perpetuating ridicule. All that "Be happy with yourself for who you are" stuff is spot-on when it comes to people with less than to-die-for bodies (i.e. most of us) but while very obese people shouldn't have to feel horrendous about themselves, it's just not right to be complacent about how much they're endangering their health.

As someone said, the thin equivalent is those pro-ana websites, which are rightly reviled.

Freddie59

Freddie59 wrote: »

Indeed. It would be interesting to see the photos of some of the people involved in said slagging on this thread.;)

Reminds me of the simpsons episode with comic book guy sitting beside a skinny woman going on about the problem with fat chicks.

Degsy

"Excuse me..but i dont like the word 'fat'"

"Well then you should have stayed at home!"

create

rambutman wrote: »

I recently went out with a girl who was a fair bit overweight - well 14.5 stone and about 40% body fat percentage - so ya a fair bit overweight. She was totally beautiful (face-wise) and i was well into her but her weight was a physical turn off. We'd be getting down to business, hot and steamy and all that but once my hands got on those rolls of fat t'was hard to keep the little fella in the game.......and excess fat makes love-making harder - its makes accessing them spots trickier.......its ends up really being missionary (or a couple of variations) or nothing - you go at it from behind and there's a massive arse in the way, she's up top and there's fat bouncing all over the place. It wrecked my head in the end - i loved her but I ended up dreading the bedroom business. It made me feel very guilty the effect it had and on me and wished that it didn't but i couldn't help it physically.
Ended up doing a fair bit to try and coax her into sorting it out. Going running and the gym together, encouraging her to go to the gym on her own as well and helping her with programs - but in the end she just saw it as a chore and first chance she got wouldn't go. I tried talking to her about it "you know you're totally beautiful and all that, but do you know how hot you'd be if you could get on top of your weight".............this didn't go down well, and it ended up being a case of "how could you say that to me" - it was probably a mistake saying this but i felt the other avenues had been exhausted. The whole thing soured the relationship in a lot of ways.
I think what happens with people is they go too far down the fat-track, and see the road back as too hard, and too long and think they can't do it. They need help (me thinks) to sort it out, and i don't know if not talking to them or ignoring their weight is helping them really - at the end of the day being fat/obese is bad for your physical health, as well as mental. Ignoring their weight or telling them they are not fat when they are or whatever is just really adding to their own disillusionment. Sometimes it takes somebody telling you something you don't want to hear at the time to do something with your life. I have been overweight myself in the past by a couple of stone so know what its like trying to lose it.
On the flip side I really don't like people slagging off fat people, or joking about them behind their backs or that - and guys (who are fat themselves) taking the p1ss out of fat girls!!!!

So ya broke up with her or was it she, if not rude to ask?! first thing came up to me was then why did ya go out with her in the first place??? she must be fat already when ya met her and she was the same when ya broke up, wasn't she???? I don't understand ya fellas, especially ya mentioned ya loved her, doesn't "love" mean ya should love/accept what've made her/him?? or it can work out for ya 'look, I love you, your beautiful face, but sorry not your fat body', guys are physical not emotional compared to women...that's just odd...I am fat and been with a guy like ya before, tried to talk me through and change all that, but in the end I just realised he wasn't really into me or at least not as what he told me. I'm now happily married to a guy who totally accepts who I am, isn't this LOVE???!!!

Oranage2

I'm a big beautiful woman and skinny b!tches are just jealous of my sexy curves, it's healthier to be over weight than under weight and I dont attract the silly stupid men that just want a barbie - I can get myself a real man!

Logical Fallacy

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'm a big beautiful woman and skinny b!tches are just jealous of my sexy curves, it's healthier to be over weight than under weight and I dont attract the silly stupid men that just want a barbie - I can get myself a real man!

Who is also fat.

opinion guy

Oranage2 wrote: »

it's healthier to be over weight than under weight

References for that sweeping statement please!

Also - what is your definition of under weight and over weight ?

stupidusername

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'm a big beautiful woman and skinny b!tches are just jealous of my sexy curves, it's healthier to be over weight than under weight and I dont attract the silly stupid men that just want a barbie - I can get myself a real man!

opinion guy wrote: »

References for that sweeping statement please!

Also - what is your definition of under weight and over weight ?

I'm pretty sure Oranage is a guy, and so I would've assumed that post was a piss take.

MungBean

People must have some pretty pathetic lives if they feel the need to drive a bit of self worth out of other people. Just because you dont find a girl attractive doesnt mean she cant find herself attractive.

Perhaps all these "I dont like fat people" types are just naturally ugly people looking to boost their own confidence by shíttin on others. Then again they may just be really really stupid ignorant people.

opinion guy

stupidusername wrote: »

I'm pretty sure Oranage is a guy, and so I would've assumed that post was a piss take.

That may be so - but it is something you hear people say. I wanted to explore the issue as I think people don't really get it and abuse vagaries to suit themselves.

psychward

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'm a big beautiful woman and skinny b!tches are just jealous of my sexy curves, it's healthier to be over weight than under weight and I dont attract the silly stupid men that just want a barbie - I can get myself a real man!

So all skinny or ''normal'' weighted women are inferior jealous bitches and the men you attract are beating off Barbie types with a white cane ? That's some world view lol

later12

I have no problem with someone calling themselves "BBW". Some men actually find this attractive, and physical beauty can be subjective.

What I really abhor is this silly platitude that fat people (all together now) "should be whatever weight makes you happy". The first question these daft American talk show hosts ask their 20 stone subjects is "...but, are you happy, Rhonda?" Rubbish.

This is exactly the sort of well meaning trite that perpetuates the notion that a state of obesity or of being overweight is a valid lifestyle choice as opposed to a serious health risk.

Don't get me wrong. I have been known to drink too much, I smoke cigarettes when I am stressed, and I ingest things that I know can have harmful effects.

I know these are stupid things to do. I regularly remind myself that these are stupid things to do. And I don't expect anybody to tell me to "drink, smoke and do drugs as much as makes you happy".

Overweight people should encouraged to eat as much as can sustain their health, not as much as makes them happy.

theg81der

create wrote: »

So ya broke up with her or was it she, if not rude to ask?! first thing came up to me was then why did ya go out with her in the first place??? she must be fat already when ya met her and she was the same when ya broke up, wasn't she???? I don't understand ya fellas, especially ya mentioned ya loved her, doesn't "love" mean ya should love/accept what've made her/him?? or it can work out for ya 'look, I love you, your beautiful face, but sorry not your fat body', guys are physical not emotional compared to women...that's just odd...I am fat and been with a guy like ya before, tried to talk me through and change all that, but in the end I just realised he wasn't really into me or at least not as what he told me. I'm now happily married to a guy who totally accepts who I am, isn't this LOVE???!!!

I find it hard to believe anyone could say they love you - which obviously infers they care about your well being -and say your fine as you are overweight???!!! Its not healthy simple and I believe that anyone thats attracted to unhealth is somehow defective. Your not suppose to want to mingle your genes with unhealthy ones its against nature.

theg81der

psychward wrote: »

So all skinny or ''normal'' weighted women are inferior jealous bitches and the men you attract are beating off Barbie types with a white cane ? That's some world view lol

Being overweight requires serious amounts of denial!

Deki

I guess I just don't understand why there needs to be a discussion. Why do some people feel it necessary to be in other peoples business? I don't know what the idea is. Perfection? I've never seen perfection. Who are these people that set their selves up as the judges. Credentials Please?

Oranage2

theg81der wrote: »

I find it hard to believe anyone could say they love you - which obviously infers they care about your well being -and say your fine as you are overweight???!!! Its not healthy simple and I believe that anyone thats attracted to unhealth is somehow defective. Your not suppose to want to mingle your genes with unhealthy ones its against nature.

Most ridiculous post I've ever read -

psychward

create wrote: »

guys are physical not emotional compared to women...

When did you ever see teenage girls throwing their knickers at a boyband comprised of fat slobs ? Where is the queue of women dropping their panties for Mr Muscle (the weedy guy from the adverts) ? You will find rugby players, Arnold Schwarzenegger types and ''pretty boys'' do a lot better even if they actually are vain and shallow with personalities comparable to watching paint dry.
Women making claims to be somehow ''superior'' actors in the love game is just another type of propaganda same as the ''fat is superior and makes me a real and more woman than you'' Jerry Springer type propaganda.

guitarzero

Its a very small amount of men I see going out with fat birds, often rockers or men who have been 35 years married.

Beautiful often means healthy and for good reason. If it ever came to the day that people find obesity attractive is the day Darwin will be forgotten.

Obesity is an indicator of a lot of other traits which are just as bad as the aesthetics of it.

psychward

guitarzero wrote: »

If it ever came to the day that people find obesity attractive is the day Darwin will be forgotten.

Obesity is an indicator of a lot of other traits which are just as bad as the aesthetics of it.

actually would being obese or overweight mean that during a famine or castastrophe you would be normal sized on very very few calories and therefore have genes which could survive better during harsh times ?

Deki

So you feel that most people prefer a "skinny" partner. I don't disagree with that. I do wonder why you feel the need to point it out. I mean do you think there aren't enough of the type you want to go around? Has some "fatty" been stalking you? Also I do have a bit of a problem with your seeming belief that only those you believe to be striving toward physical perfection worthy of love.

later12

psychward wrote: »

actually would being obese or overweight mean that during a famine or castastrophe you would be normal sized on very very few calories and therefore have genes which could survive better during harsh times ?

Evolution has nothing to do with explaining the current genetic identity of the human race by ability to withstand drought/ famine/ abitlity to hold one's breath the longest, etc. It's really about ability to adapt. The last species on Earth will be the ones who have managed to change with their environment. It's wrong to look at it in black and white terms of mass alone.

Evolution has very little place in this discussion, in fairness.

theg81der

Oranage2 wrote: »

Most ridiculous post I've ever read -

Why? I don`t see it as much different that if someone is dying of anorexia or bulemia - what are you going to say "ok love thats your choice, I love you as you are". Obesity is the cause of some life threathning illness thats a fact why would you mate with someone who probably won`t be around to see your children grow up and thats not to mention the drain on financial resources that their bad health will cause. Thats not to say anyone can get sick but with obesity its not an if its a when.

Deki

So all children born imperfect are or are bound to become a financial drain?

BrokenArrows

Male or female.

If you go clothes shopping on two separate occasions and both times you get a bigger size than the last. YOU HAVE A WEIGHT PROBLEM. (or pregnant lol)

later12

Deki wrote: »

So all children born imperfect are or are bound to become a financial drain?

Children born with health problems are, quite rightly, afforded attention that might allow them to enjoy as healthy a future as is reasonably possible.

Children born healthy should under no circumstances be afforded the delusion that it is acceptable to eat as much as you want as long as you don't have problems with your self image.

It is their physical as well as their mental health that should be the crucial issue.

lumjm

This is a ridiculous discussion. I'm skinny and work hard to stay that way, because I want to be. How is it my business or anyone else's whether big women are delusional? If they really wanted to change they would do something. Whether they do or not, or stay in your opinion 'deluded', why do you care? Just look after your own health and stop judging others.

sunflower27

This thread still going?

Be who you are - if you are big and want to diet, go ahead, if you don't, don't.

I have more going on in my head than to look at an overweight woman and then think about whether she is happy with her weight or not.

Dudess

Deki wrote: »

I guess I just don't understand why there needs to be a discussion. Why do some people feel it necessary to be in other peoples business? I don't know what the idea is. Perfection? I've never seen perfection. Who are these people that set their selves up as the judges. Credentials Please?

Not finding obesity attractive is hardly the same as looking for perfection.

Dudess

psychward wrote: »

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'm a big beautiful woman and skinny b!tches are just jealous of my sexy curves, it's healthier to be over weight than under weight and I dont attract the silly stupid men that just want a barbie - I can get myself a real man!

So all skinny or ''normal'' weighted women are inferior jealous bitches and the men you attract are beating off Barbie types with a white cane ? That's some world view lol

He's taking the piss.

Deki

I think obesity is dangerous to your health as is being extremely underweight, as is excessive drinking, drugging and this is not just drugs of an illegal nature prescribed drugs are still drugs. Being in the sun too much is a danger, pollution of the environment is a danger, stress and depression are dangers to your health. Why are you just concerning yourself with obesity? Is it because being fat is not your problem?

later12

sunflower27 wrote: »

Be who you are - if you are big and want to diet, go ahead, if you don't, don't.

This is not a choice like choosing between a pair of shoes.

I'm all for personal liberty; adults should be free to eat as much as they wish.

The important distinction in the fact that society ought not perpetuate the notion that the choice between being overweight or being the correct weight is equally dandy and legitimate.

zuzuzu

old hippy wrote: »

From a purely personal aethsetic, I like woman who are confident in their skin, regardless of their size. Confidence is attractive.

Kinda Gay.

Dudess

Deki wrote: »

I think obesity is dangerous to your health as is being extremely underweight, as is excessive drinking, drugging and this is not just drugs of an illegal nature prescribed drugs are still drugs. Being in the sun too much is a danger, pollution of the environment is a danger, stress and depression are dangers to your health. Why are you just concerning yourself with obesity? Is it because being fat is not your problem?

Who are you talking to? I personally dislike harassment of overweight people, and it's their own business. I know it can be caused by other factors besides greed and laziness too. But I disagree with complacency re it, and celebrating it/being delusional about it. And saying it looks unattractive is just expressing personal preference.
I don't think really skinny looks attractive either.

My name is URL

Channel 4 right now.. dear jesus

theg81der

My name is URL wrote: »

Channel 4 right now.. dear jesus

OMG :eek:

fedor.2.

My name is URL wrote: »

Channel 4 right now.. dear jesus

Poor kid, thats a rough way to die. Fat bitch

Captain McDuck

My name is URL wrote: »

Channel 4 right now.. dear jesus

Sweet baby jesus christ that is one big bitch...

Gilldog

Dagnabbit, I don't have a tv - whats happening that I need to see right now??

Wibbs

later10 wrote: »

Evolution has very little place in this discussion, in fairness.

It kinda does to be fair L. Humans have a propensity to put on fat rather than muscle when they take in more calories as an insurance against times of limited resources. Ask any overweight person how easy it is to gain fat, but how hard it is to shift the fat. If someone diets in starvation mode the fat loss drops right off as the body has a built in evolutionary need to hang on to fat and dump muscle tissue as it consumes more calories just sitting there(hence body builders have to eat like horses and indeed put on fat too in between competitions). Hence diets don't work, may even make things worse.

Simple carbs are very rare in nature. Honey is about your lot and it's pretty seasonal and requires getting stung to fook to get it. It's very calorie dense, but ancient and tribal man didn't get it very often and they eat the whole honeycomb, grubs and all and have perfect teeth, no fillings, nor braces, nor wisdom teeth extraction required. A Paleolithic dentist would have a very short career. The rarest thing in nature is now everywhere so naturally our ancient brain thinks "Yay! Paydirt, get fooking in!!".

Indeed one of the myriad theories that has been put forward to explain why Neandertals went extinct reckons they were different to us in that respect. If they overate they put on muscle mass instead and they needed double our intake to support that mass in the first place(even some rare men today show this effect*). Muscle is great for the cold, but you need big animals to eat to support it and if they get scarce...

This goes double for women. A heavier pregnant woman is much more likely to bring a child to term in a time of famine/lowered resources. Hence many tribal types actually put women on fattening diets before they get married and start having kids and the men tend to prefer the rounder woman in general. They selected for that throughout our history, hence very slim supermodel type women are the rarity, not the norm. If we had selected for that ideal of beauty in the past, then that's what would be the average and clearly it's not. So most women tend towards putting on the weight compared to men. Even moreso when pregnant and after. Many's a skinny woman who has put on weight after having a child. So you might spare a thought, as some of you cradle your post Xmas little belly that without that Neandertals might still be around and we might not be.

It seems ladies and gents if you want to lose the fat, but keep eating and enjoy it, start lifting weights and not the little pink ones. Oh and cut out the sugar and empty carbs. I guarantee if the heavy folks lived like a Kalahari San bushman for a year they'd look a helluvla lot different at the end of it. Same genes, different result. Shít the unhealthy skinny types would be the better for it too.



* great Horizon program many moons ago which studied a group of men and women who upped their calorie uptake but didn't change their lifestyle. As expected they all put on weight, but a European and an Asian lad actually put on muscle mass.

fedor.2.

Gilldog wrote: »

Dagnabbit, I don't have a tv - whats happening that I need to see right now??

Surprised you cant see her, even without the TV.....................Why dont you have a tv?

My name is URL

Gilldog wrote: »

Dagnabbit, I don't have a tv - whats happening that I need to see right now??

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/columnists/todays-tv/2012/01/03/accused-the-74-stone-babysitter-c4-9pm-115875-23675213/

Wibbs

Captain McDuck wrote: »

Sweet baby jesus christ that is one big bitch...

That "bitch" clearly has a mental health problem. It is NOT the same as getting porky from eating one too many batterburgers. It's like comparing a brain tumour to a tension headache. I would have more sympathy for that woman, than some man or woman whinging just because they've gone up a stone/dress size after chrimbo. A lot more.

theg81der

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6-A0iHSdcA

fedor.2.

Wibbs wrote: »

That "bitch" clearly has a mental health problem. It is NOT the same as getting porky from eating one too many batterburgers. It's like comparing a brain tumour to a tension headache. I would have more sympathy for that woman, than some man or woman whinging just because they've gone up a stone/dress size after chrimbo. A lot more.

Didnt realise you knew her. I just saw her stuffing whole pizzas into her gob, i shouldnt have jumped to conclusions.