Unpopular Opinions.

1ZRed

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Important facts like Sex = Baby? It's not rocket science like.
I know it's a way of life for them but if I was in their position there's no way I'd make it a way of life for someone else. To have a child in such complete and utter poverty is selfish.

Put yourself in their shoes and tell them "no sex for the rest of your lives unless you want to chance having a baby".

I'd say your hand would get boring fairly quickly and you'd have a litter of children around you soon enough :P

Course the "up the bum, no harm done" rule would do fecking wonders out there though!

NegativeCreep

1ZRed wrote: »

Put yourself in their shoes and tell them "no sex for the rest of your lives unless you want to chance having a baby".

I'd say your hand would get boring fairly quickly and you'd have a litter of children around you soon enough :P

Course the "up the bum, no harm done" rule would do fecking wonders out there though!

There's loads of things you can do without penetrative sex. I'd gladly give up sex if it meant my future kids weren't going to starve to death as I looked on helplessly in fairness.

Shryke

NegativeCreep wrote: »

There's loads of things you can do without penetrative sex. I'd gladly give up sex if it meant my future kids weren't going to starve to death as I looked on helplessly in fairness.

When you're lying there with a warm body beside you you're not going to be picturing some saucer eyed urchin with holes in their clothes and an empty belly. At least I hope not.

NegativeCreep

Shryke wrote: »

When you're lying there with a warm body beside you you're not going to be picturing some saucer eyed urchin with holes in their clothes and an empty belly. At least I hope not.

Well they should imo. Cause that's what they're going to be left with. Sex isn't worth that much suffering at all.

ScrubsfanChris

The Godfather films are boring and over-rated

Boombastic

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Well they should imo. Cause that's what they're going to be left with. Sex isn't worth that much suffering at all.

But raping the babies cures AIDS

1ZRed

NegativeCreep wrote: »

There's loads of things you can do without penetrative sex. I'd gladly give up sex if it meant my future kids weren't going to starve to death as I looked on helplessly in fairness.

You'd want to give it up altogether if you had anal as your sole substitute. Don't know how that slipped my mind considering, but it would be a HIV disaster zone with no protection used.

It would still be very difficult to get somebody to think past that. Your hormones are very strong things.

Da Shins Kelly

We have seen historically and all across the world, birth rates and populations are in correlation with access to education (particularly for women), and wealth, prosperity and industrialisation. Birth rates drop when there is education and industrialisation, which can be seen in the UK, US, and even here in Ireland. High birth rates are a symptom of poverty. It's human nature and pretty instinctive really - have more children because of the mortality rate, and have a better chance of producing a child which will be a genetic improvement and maybe they will be able to do the kind of work that will bring more income into the household. Also, more children means more hands to help out. We don't think of this because we live in the developed world and we don't rely so much on our own farming and such to survive, we just walk down to the shop and buy whatever we need.

And this isn't even getting into the rape crisis in parts of Africa.

Looking at it from the perspective of the educated, prosperous developed world and saying 'oh, just stop having children will you?' is not really seeing it at all.

Kungfu

Language schools that have a rented office space hardly bigger than your average living room but a list of foreign students longer than your arm. I reckon they accept the enrolment and lessons fees and churn out the certs to foreign "students" here on study only visas but actually working illegally. Another thing is those Madras (not sure if that is correct spelling?) the Muslim "schools" that you never see any kids going in or out of and you never see the door open. Al Qaeda meeting houses?

Kungfu

Nothing to do with what I just said but has anyone noticed the number of cars you see going around at night with no lights on? Is the recession so bad that they can't afford light bulbs?

NegativeCreep

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

We have seen historically and all across the world, birth rates and populations are in correlation with access to education (particularly for women), and wealth, prosperity and industrialisation. Birth rates drop when there is education and industrialisation, which can be seen in the UK, US, and even here in Ireland. High birth rates are a symptom of poverty. It's human nature and pretty instinctive really - have more children because of the mortality rate, and have a better chance of producing a child which will be a genetic improvement and maybe they will be able to do the kind of work that will bring more income into the household. Also, more children means more hands to help out. We don't think of this because we live in the developed world and we don't rely so much on our own farming and such to survive, we just walk down to the shop and buy whatever we need.

And this isn't even getting into the rape crisis in parts of Africa.

Looking at it from the perspective of the educated, prosperous developed world and saying 'oh, just stop having children will you?' is not really seeing it at all.

Help them do what? If there was anything to hunt or grow they wouldn't be starving. And if you're having kids so that they'll walk 13 miles to a well everyday for water and back, then that's selfish. I learned in Junior Cert geography that they have lots of kids as a kind of 'insurance policy,'
to look after them when they old; also selfish.

I know it's not as easy as saying 'stop having kids.' But do they have to have so many? And I know the thing about less education = more kids but it seems like a cop out excuse imo. And I know they're not to blame for their own misfortune but it just seems ridiculous to me to keep having kids in such horrible conditions. I just can't grasp it and I suppose I never will

NegativeCreep

Boombastic wrote: »

But raping the babies cures AIDS

Surprised you didn't get an infraction for that.

Laughed anyway :pac:

seamie87

Of the ones I'm allowed express.

I wouldn't feed fizzy drinks to a pig.
I am not a gaelgoir but I think that if Ireland had maintained the Irish language it would be a better place.
I like and get on quite well with french people.
I don't like fatwomen, and if we're being honest very few people do.
I am a culchie and I prefer southside dubs to northside dubs.

NegativeCreep

seamie87 wrote: »

Of the ones I'm allowed express.

I wouldn't feed fizzy drinks to a pig.
I am not a gaelgoir but I think that if Ireland had maintained the Irish language it would be a better place.
I like and get on quite well with french people.
I don't like fatwomen, and if we're being honest very few people do.
I am a culchie and I prefer southside dubs to northside dubs.

I'm a northsider and I prefer the majority of southsiders to the majority of northsiders too.

KenSwee

I much prefer this..

To this

Yamanoto

KenSwee wrote: »

I much prefer this..

To this

I don't know who those ladies are - one has a distinctly Traveller quality going on, the other looks like an exotic dancer aboard a space barge of some sort.

Rothko

Yamanoto wrote: »

I don't know who those ladies are - one has a distinctly Traveller quality going on, the other looks like an exotic dancer aboard a space barge of some sort.

Both pics are of Christina Aguilera

krudler

seamie87 wrote: »

Of the ones I'm allowed express.

I wouldn't feed fizzy drinks to a pig.
I am not a gaelgoir but I think that if Ireland had maintained the Irish language it would be a better place.
I like and get on quite well with french people.
I don't like fatwomen, and if we're being honest very few people do.
I am a culchie and I prefer southside dubs to northside dubs.

do you mean fat women, or are fatwomen like a group of rotund female superheroes? like a bunch of middle aged women in weightwatchers, but who watches the fatwomen?

Da Shins Kelly

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Help them do what? If there was anything to hunt or grow they wouldn't be starving. And if you're having kids so that they'll walk 13 miles to a well everyday for water and back, then that's selfish. I learned in Junior Cert geography that they have lots of kids as a kind of 'insurance policy,'
to look after them when they old; also selfish.

I know it's not as easy as saying 'stop having kids.' But do they have to have so many? And I know the thing about less education = more kids but it seems like a cop out excuse imo. And I know they're not to blame for their own misfortune but it just seems ridiculous to me to keep having kids in such horrible conditions. I just can't grasp it and I suppose I never will

How is it a cop-out excuse? Women are uneducated about their bodies in these countries and have no knowledge of birth control options, much less access to them. Often it's not just a case of refusing to have sex either, especially in countries where violence against women is so prevalent and gender equality is pretty much non-existent. There are reasons why it happens, and it's happened pretty much every where across all cultures at some point or another. The main problem is that African economies are just not growing fast enough, and if they do start to improve, the fertility rates will drop. We've seen it happen before.

It's probably worth noting too that a lot of African countries are not constantly suffering from drought and famine all year round every year. It is possible to harvest the earth. Also, a lot of these food shortages are being exacerbated by conflict. So maybe what they really need to do is put down the fcuking guns?

PopePalpatine

Whenever someone complains about "liberals" I imagine them speaking in the shrillest West of Ireland accent imaginable.

kupus

When somebody complains about conservatives i usually expect them to have an annoying US/UK hybrid type of Irish accent

old hippy

kupus wrote: »

When somebody complains about conservatives i usually expect them to have an annoying US/UK hybrid type of Irish accent

Tbf, one of the parents is American & I have lived in the UK for the past 12 or 13 years. What's great here (or in London, at any rate) is that nobody gives a damn about your accent

summerskin

old hippy wrote: »

Tbf, one of the parents is American & I have lived in the UK for the past 12 or 13 years. What's great here (or in London, at any rate) is that nobody gives a damn about your accent

Hmm, funnily when i lived in London I was turned down for a promotion on account of the fact that i was "too northern". Had i been "too jamaican" or "too french" it would have been classed as racist, but not because I was from the north of England.

old hippy

summerskin wrote: »

Hmm, funnily when i lived in London I was turned down for a promotion on account of the fact that i was "too northern". Had i been "too jamaican" or "too french" it would have been classed as racist, but not because I was from the north of England.

It's certainly discrimination. Admittedly, there was this one time I applied for an on air gig & the chap I spoke with told me his boss preferred Southern English accents as opposed to my own brand of radio speak.

Ironically, he was a Canadian

1ZRed

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Help them do what? If there was anything to hunt or grow they wouldn't be starving. And if you're having kids so that they'll walk 13 miles to a well everyday for water and back, then that's selfish. I learned in Junior Cert geography that they have lots of kids as a kind of 'insurance policy,'
to look after them when they old; also selfish.

I know it's not as easy as saying 'stop having kids.' But do they have to have so many? And I know the thing about less education = more kids but it seems like a cop out excuse imo. And I know they're not to blame for their own misfortune but it just seems ridiculous to me to keep having kids in such horrible conditions. I just can't grasp it and I suppose I never will

Unpopular opinion:

Africans, why don't you build your villages closer to the well?

flutterflye

1ZRed wrote: »

Unpopular opinion:

Africans, why don't you build your villages closer to the well?

I said the same to someone before, but they told me there's all sorts of gang problems and politics between tribes or something that prevents that.

IamMetaldave

KenSwee wrote: »

I much prefer this..

To this

Less photoshop?

seamie87

flutterflye wrote: »

I said the same to someone before, but they told me there's all sorts of gang problems and politics between tribes or something that prevents that.

This might be something that I'm not supposed to be saying, but I have a freind who went out there doing voluntary work. And while the volunteers would be digging the african men would sit around laughing and shouting stuff like "are you his woman" to the fella who would be in the thick of it.
It came out of them thinking that digging wells and such was womans work.

mark renton

seamie87 wrote: »

This might be something that I'm not supposed to be saying, but I have a freind who went out there doing voluntary work. And while the volunteers would be digging the african men would sit around laughing and shouting stuff like "are you his woman" to the fella who would be in the thick of it.
It came out of them thinking that digging wells and such was womans work.

Did your friend previously work for the corporation?

seamie87

john47832 wrote: »

Did your friend previously work for the corporation?

No.

mark renton

seamie87 wrote: »

No.

I was thinking the relationship between the shovel and the digger may have been inherited, and correctly observed by our african friends...

NegativeCreep

1ZRed wrote: »

Unpopular opinion:

Africans, why don't you build your villages closer to the well?

Or dig their own one :L I always wondered that too :L

kupus

john47832 wrote: »

Did your friend previously work for the corporation?

All grants and charity money should be stopped going into africa,
the only people who get it are the warlords, who then flog it off for double the price to the poorest, same with medicine.

mark renton

kupus wrote: »

All grants and charity money should be stopped going into africa,
the only people who get it are the warlords, who then flog it off for double the price to the poorest, same with medicine.

Are you saying theyre subcontracting the charity work?

eyescreamcone

Ethiopia
population mid 80s - time of BandAid and Bob Geldof - 30 million
Today - 90 million

Keep sending the money!

kupus

john47832 wrote: »

Are you saying theyre subcontracting the charity work?

Yes John that is what Im saying, They have to pay off gangsters in whatever disaster hit area they happen to be in:
http://www.trust.org/alertnet/blogs/alertnet-news-blog/is-the-media-getting-tougher-on-corruption-in-aid/

Also heard from word of mouth but Im sure you wont believe that nor would I expect you to.

The only thing that can help Africa is education not charity, but since too many people and too many organizations make a lot of money out of charity that wont happen.
There is a great saying "give a man a fish and he is hungry a day later. Teach him to fish and he is set for life."

Madam_X

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Important facts like Sex = Baby? It's not rocket science like.
I know it's a way of life for them but if I was in their position there's no way I'd make it a way of life for someone else. To have a child in such complete and utter poverty is selfish.

Well you're not in their situation so you haven't a clue really.

Wacker The Attacker

KenSwee wrote: »

I much prefer this..

To this

This is better

http://thefilmreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/piranha-still-kelly-brook-bikini-1.jpg

Wacker The Attacker

The wire is better that the sopranos

seamie87

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

The wire is better that the sopranos

Now that's hardly an fringe opinion.

Lots of people have good judgement.

Shryke

kupus wrote: »

All grants and charity money should be stopped going into africa,
the only people who get it are the warlords, who then flog it off for double the price to the poorest, same with medicine.

Everything being done with Africa only makes the place worse. Donating clothes was a big thing, but all that did was destroy local clothes industries in different regions destroying what economy was there.

mark renton

The pain during child birth is vastly overrated...

1ZRed

john47832 wrote: »

The pain during child birth is vastly overrated...

Good to know the sex change went well Jane, John!

NegativeCreep

Madam_X wrote: »

Well you're not in their situation so you haven't a clue really.

Doesn't matter whether I'm in their situation or not, I can still have and opinion on it.

Wacker The Attacker

seamie87 wrote: »

Now that's hardly an fringe opinion.

Lots of people have good judgement.

Not necessarily a fringe opinion. I would have thought it was a minority opinion though.

mark renton

1ZRed wrote: »

Good to know the sex change went well Jane, John!

Tis surely true, I mean if it was really that painful then they wouldnt go through it...

flutterflye

john47832 wrote: »

Tis surely true, I mean if it was really that painful then they wouldnt go through it...

Please tell me you're just trying to get a reaction!

mark renton

flutterflye wrote: »

Please tell me you're just trying to get a reaction!

Unpopular opinions usually do get some kind of reaction, are you in the popular opinion camp in this instance?

flutterflye

john47832 wrote: »

Unpopular opinions usually do get some kind of reaction, are you in the popular opinion camp in this instance?

Whether opinions get a reaction or not is not the point.
There is posting a genuine opinion and happening to get a reaction, and there is posting an opinion you don't really hold just to get a reaction.
The latter is what I was referring to.

mark renton

If that was an indirect question then the answer is yes, I do hold this opinion, unpopular as it is...