Unpopular Opinions.

kieranfitz

dirtyden wrote: »

What were these positive effects?

What benefits did we gain from the world wars, I am not sure can you pick a benefit for any country from the world wars. Theoretically the USSR and USA perhaps became superpowers, I would not describe that as a benefit to the world. And what do you mean 'potato factories being prisons for children'. Colonialism never benefitted the colonised.

What benefits? hmmm well, our national anthem isnt Deutschland uber alles for a start. We left ze Germans take charge all by ourselves.

Nolanger wrote: »

The whole points system is a joke because most people aged 23 or older can go to college. School leavers should join the army for a few years and then go to college!

If I wasnt colour blind I would have, and I'm not alone on that score.

dirtyden

kieranfitz wrote: »

dirtyden wrote: »

What were these positive effects?

What benefits did we gain from the world wars, I am not sure can you pick a benefit for any country from the world wars. Theoretically the USSR and USA perhaps became superpowers, I would not describe that as a benefit to the world. And what do you mean 'potato factories being prisons for children'. Colonialism never benefitted the colonised.

What benefits? hmmm well, our national anthem isnt Deutschland uber alles for a start. We left ze Germans take charge all by ourselves.



If I wasnt colour blind I would have, and I'm not alone on that score.

So you are arguing against colonialism being a bad thing by claiming colonialism (by the germans) is a bad thing.

dirtyden

me bolly wrote: »

You are misinformed. Amin and Mugabe were returning to the way The nations were ruled before the Belgians,French and British moved in namely a supreme ruler.
When the colonialists left so did stability and prosperity.
I'd welcome an example of a thriving African country.

But they were all colonised

dirtyden

me bolly wrote: »

You are misinformed. Amin and Mugabe were returning to the way The nations were ruled before the Belgians,French and British moved in namely a supreme ruler.
When the colonialists left so did stability and prosperity.
I'd welcome an example of a thriving African country.

And Botswana, colonial backwater in the 60s, now thriving

kieranfitz

Colonization by the brits better then ze Germans? yes, or France or Spain for that matter. given those countries past relationships with the Brits and our strategic location it was inevitable that we would get taken over by some one and the brits for all their atrocities committed here were probably the lesser of many evils. It amazes me how people seem to think that we would have been left shrouded in Atlantic mist, unmolested by goings on on the continent.

mikemac1

I want to know why Mary Harney and the wimmin politicans get dogs abuse on boards over their weight yet our current Minister for Health James Reilly is never mentioned

As for Pat Rabitte, he's been obese for years and heading for an early grave

Ruari Quinn isn't exactly slim either but carries it well but gets away with it
Joe Costello isn't in top shape himself

I'm spotting a trend here with Labour politicians

The only TD I've ever heard about going on a fitness plan was Bertie about ten years ago and he lost a few stone from running.
And I hear Enda Kenny is into cycling, he's fairly slim

Double standards for the wimmin

later12

kieranfitz wrote: »

It amazes me how people seem to think that we would have been left shrouded in Atlantic mist, unmolested by goings on on the continent.

1. like in Switzerland?
2. You are aware that there was no serious British army presence in the state during WWII, and that we were essentially left untouched?

People often overstate the wartime tactical importance of Ireland, especially when one considers the loyal population of Ulster as it was in the 20th century, and even a significant preference for British rule amongst the Irish themselves, whose politicians after all had only come 'round to the idea of complete independence during WW1.

doomsday

Unpopular opinion:
democracy doesn't work , we need a benevolant tyrant, like the Patrician in Practchetts Disworld books!

pickarooney

mikemac1 wrote: »

I want to know why Mary Harney and the wimmin politicans get dogs abuse on boards over their weight yet our current Minister for Health James Reilly is never mentioned

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=76336909

dirtyden

kieranfitz wrote: »

Colonization by the brits better then ze Germans? yes, or France or Spain for that matter. given those countries past relationships with the Brits and our strategic location it was inevitable that we would get taken over by some one and the brits for all their atrocities committed here were probably the lesser of many evils. It amazes me how people seem to think that we would have been left shrouded in Atlantic mist, unmolested by goings on on the continent.

I think you need to check the history of britains occupation of ireland. As a starter maybe try looking up the plantations, famine and partition. None of these were particularly beneficial to us (in my opinion). Perhaps you have a different theory.

There is no evidence of Germany having any particular strategic interest in ireland in any case.

later12

dirtyden wrote: »

I think you need to check the history of britains occupation of ireland. As a starter maybe try looking up the plantations, famine and partition. None of these were particularly beneficial to us (in my opinion). Perhaps you have a different theory.

There is no evidence of Germany having any particular strategic interest in ireland in any case.

Not to mention the fact that we simply don't know what the result of being governed by Germany might have been.

Somewhere out there in an alternate universe, there may be a bunch of Teutonic Irish people thanking their lucky stars they were colonised by the beautiful, efficient and forward thinking Germans, and not by their bucktoothed, bureaucratic neighbours.

After all, the Germans look pretty happy with themselves today.

dirtyden

mikemac1 wrote: »

I want to know why Mary Harney and the wimmin politicans get dogs abuse on boards over their weight yet our current Minister for Health James Reilly is never mentioned

As for Pat Rabitte, he's been obese for years and heading for an early grave

Ruari Quinn isn't exactly slim either but carries it well but gets away with it
Joe Costello isn't in top shape himself

I'm spotting a trend here with Labour politicians

The only TD I've ever heard about going on a fitness plan was Bertie about ten years ago and he lost a few stone from running.
And I hear Enda Kenny is into cycling, he's fairly slim

Double standards for the wimmin

That is a good point.

I can only think of Cowen who got a little abuse for his corpulence.

psychward

dirtyden wrote: »

That is a good point.

I can only think of Cowen who got a little abuse for his corpulence.

Thats where Cowen hid our money. He tricked us all into thinking he was a fat sweaty obese bastard but every time he went to the central bank he came out with a heavier belly

Means Of Escape

strobe wrote: »

Macbeth, Act II, Scene II?

Unseam him from the nave to the chaps!!

Means Of Escape

dirtyden wrote: »

And Botswana, colonial backwater in the 60s, now thriving

Try standing over that statement in 20 years when their diamonds dry up.
Low population of 2 million people also helps.

busyliving

That Fake Tan is ugly and any women who wears it would really want to sort their lives out...

And jewellery is the biggest scam on the planet, especially those charms bracelets...

/rant

DEFTLEFTHAND

Israel is a illegitimate state and should not be in existence.

Paddy Cow

This thread is no where near as interesting as I thought it would be and is infact, quite boring.

dirtyden

me bolly wrote: »

Try standing over that statement in 20 years when their diamonds dry up.
Low population of 2 million people also helps.

The diamonds were there under colonial rule too, it did not help the proverbial man on the street then, but it is now.

I think you are veering towards the attiude of Africans cannot rule themselves, I could counter that with give some of these recently independent african nations 20-50 years and see where they stand.

Hibernianeggs

acidskiffle wrote: »

Hopefully it won't descend into utter chaos.

I think we both know that that is going to happen.:eek: DUN DUN DUUUUUNN!!

Zorbas

I would like to rant about people who have the one-liner; "socialism has never worked" and when you ask "do you think capitalism is now working?" the answer comes back; "well at least its better than socialism". All very convincing!!

The King of Moo

karaokeman wrote: »

Welcome to Tallafornia is pretty darn good.

Shakespeare is rubbish, anyone who thinks this is ignorant needs to read Twain or Joyce, seriously there are better writers out there.

Leaving Cert modern History is easy as f***.

Everyone should go to college, its a rite of passage.

Just...just...wow..

*faints*

Celly Smunt

Zorbas wrote: »

I would like to rant about people who have the one-liner; "socialism has never worked" and when you ask "do you think capitalism is now working?" the answer comes back; "well at least its better than socialism". All very convincing!!

socialism doesn't mean €40000 a year + pension just so you know before you sign upto anything..

Mike 1972

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Israel is a illegitimate state and should not be in existence.

It is entirely possible to make a similar statement in respect of just about any other state on this Earth and if one tries hard enough even back it up with reasonable sounding arguments.

NIMAN

I feckin' hate gypies. Really hate them.

There, I said it.

Badgermonkey

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Israel is a illegitimate state and should not be in existence.

Arguing the inverse is surely the more unpopular opinion.

Especially so in Ireland and on Boards.

later12

pmcmahon wrote: »

socialism doesn't mean €40000 a year + pension just so you know before you sign upto anything..

It doesn't mean that, and it doesn't not mean it.

I myself would call myself a form of socialist, and a €40,000 a year salary is not something I have any problem with in itself. People who dismiss socialism en bloc generally don't seem to have a particularly well informed grasp of the entire movement or its history.

Socialism does not have to mean high taxes, it does not have to mean outrageous welfare bills, and it does not have to mean miserable income for everybody.

Yahew

Zorbas wrote: »

I would like to rant about people who have the one-liner; "socialism has never worked" and when you ask "do you think capitalism is now working?" the answer comes back; "well at least its better than socialism". All very convincing!!

That argument is not as illogical as you think, to see why replace socialism with something you dont like.

A Spanish fascist is having an argument with you, and you say "fascism has never worked, he says "do you think democracy is now working", can you logically say

"well at least its better than fascism"

You can.

Mike 1972

Yahew wrote: »

A Spanish fascist is having an argument with you, and you say "fascism has never worked, he says "do you think democracy is now working", .....

The people who use the "socialism has never worked" line though are almost invariably actually mixing up socialism with communism (or stalinism if one wants to be specific/pedantic).

Yet when one mixes up capitalism with fascism (or nazism if one wants to be specific/pedantic) its called a Godwin ?

Yahew

Mike 1972 wrote: »

The people who use the "socialism has never worked" line though are almost invariably actually mixing up socialism with communism (or stalinism if one wants to be specific/pedantic).

Yet when one mixes up capitalism with fascism (or nazism if one wants to be specific/pedantic) its called a Godwin ?

Well, thats not what I did. I replaced socialism with fascism ( not Nazzism as it was Spanish fascism) and capitalism with democracy.

I take the point on socialism, if you mean welfare states etc. Mixed economies work, most of the time.

kieranfitz

later10 wrote: »

1. like in Switzerland?
2. You are aware that there was no serious British army presence in the state during WWII, and that we were essentially left untouched?

People often overstate the wartime tactical importance of Ireland, especially when one considers the loyal population of Ulster as it was in the 20th century, and even a significant preference for British rule amongst the Irish themselves, whose politicians after all had only come 'round to the idea of complete independence during WW1.

Apologies I meant in a broader historical context not just the 20th century, the Swiss also have the advantages of being able to mobilise a large proportion of their population at short notice, and a very good arms industry. Its right behind Russia and china on the list of places that its a very bad idea to try and invade.

dirtyden wrote: »

I think you need to check the history of britains occupation of ireland. As a starter maybe try looking up the plantations, famine and partition. None of these were particularly beneficial to us (in my opinion). Perhaps you have a different theory.

There is no evidence of Germany having any particular strategic interest in ireland in any case.

Aside from plan grun of course, Im not disagreeing about those points, what im saying is that we were better off then we would have been with the french or spanish in charge when they eventually tried to take over given our straigic location.

44leto

RTE is a good public service and worth the license fee, I think we would all be poorer without it.

Drumpot

That a large majority of western civilisation has been drafted into an economic system thats greatest defence is that it's better then other failed systems.

I dOnt believe the problem is so much the systems, as it is the peOple trusted with the running and regulating them. Oh and the neutered response of the conformist western people helps.

Celly Smunt

The British Army is more of a defence for Ireland than The PDF

Paddy Cow

44leto wrote: »

RTE is a good public service and worth the license fee, I think we would all be poorer without it.

Not me. I don't watch it so the only difference it would make in my life is to leave me €160 richer per year.

44leto

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Not me. I don't watch it so the only difference it would make in my life is to leave me €160 richer per year.

As a lot of people claim, but if i was to do my own private nielsen ratings on what i view, with the news, current affairs and RTE sport which is IMO excellent I watch more of that channel then any other.

I will admit RTE radio has gone downhill, its just Newstalk have better content.

Paddy Cow

44leto wrote: »

As a lot of people claim, but if i was to do my own private nielsen ratings on what i view, with the news, current affairs and RTE sport which is IMO excellent I watch more of that channel then any other.

I will admit RTE radio has gone downhill, its just Newstalk have better content.

Can't speak for others but in my case it's definitely true. I rarely watch tv and never listen to the radio. When I do watch telly, the only Irish channel I watch is TV3 which doesn't get any of the license fee. I can honestly say that I wouldn't miss RTE at all. If I heard they were shutting it down I would probably feel sad for nostalgia's sake but if it quietly went off air, I doubt I'd notice.

Bodhidharma

Women treat men a lot worse than men treat women

Women have an unfair advantage in interviews. Most guys doing interviews are so dumb that a twinkle in the eye or a low top will be enough to get the job. Qualifications and experience are no substitute for the juvenile fantasies of Irish men in the workplace.

Recruitment websites are a scam and should be shut down without proper evidence that the jobs they 'advertise' actually exist

And here is a dinger . . . most people are stupid

Paddy Cow

Bodhidharma wrote: »

Women treat men a lot worse than men treat women

HR is the most annoying, useless profession one can ever work in

Recruitment websites are a scam and should be shut down without proper evidence that the jobs they 'advertise' actually exist

And here is a dinger . . . most people are stupid

Not me. I'm always right and if everyone could just see things from my point of view, the world would be a much better place :P

kieranfitz

pmcmahon wrote: »

The British Army is more of a defence for Ireland than The PDF

Owing more to a lack of political will to spend money on anything defence related the Defence Forces themselves.

Richard Hillman

Mars bars are horrible and they are the ugly twin to her sexual sibling mars ice cream.

mikemac1

"They all look the same to me"

Would I be called racist for saying that?
But I find it true and realy I don't know if my taximan is the guy in the photo or could be his brother or someone else

Find it more difficult to match a black face to a photo

u_c_thesecond

i hate the song "Imagine" by john lennon

there i said it !!!

Jesus Wept

karaokeman wrote: »

There is no woman on Earth more beautiful than Katy Perry with black hair.

She is beyond gorgeous and I envy the next guy who will get with her it should be me:mad:

here you go

Sindri

I think Jews are racially impure and would like them purged in some manner.

Also I would like a racially pure Europe.

Mod

Poster banned.

Seomra Mushie

mikemac1 wrote: »

Cats are mercenary little ****ers. So if you say you are a cat lover well you're fooling yourself, they are terrible pets

Having your own opinions, grand. But telling people they are fooling themselves for having theirs is highly petulant.

crfcaio

Irish people looks condescendingly on foreigners (like me) who love Ireland for no reason (I have reasons!).

I wish I was Justin Bieber's manager; that little b*tch must make so much money!

I think gingers are the most beautiful women in the world. Even more than Brazilian women (I am Brazilian).

I wish Brazil's population focused less on soccer and cared more about education, health, etc...

I don't care if a Republican wins the next election here in America. I just want a president who'll help us go forward.

I think people (read high school students going to college) should follow their passions and study what they love instead of studying something just for the money (oh, how my family disagrees...).

There's some more stuff, but I don't remember now.

silverharp

irish dancers look like travellers on a hen night.....runs and ducks for cover

Scanlas The 2nd

Zorbas wrote: »

I would like to rant about people who have the one-liner; "socialism has never worked" and when you ask "do you think capitalism is now working?" the answer comes back; "well at least its better than socialism". All very convincing!!

Define "working", socialism creates more poverty than capitalism and wastes resources. Read a basic economics book.

Crazy Horse 6

Muhammad Ali was a racist.