BUDGET 2012

Gannicus

Kiera wrote: »

Old people get fúck all as it is, i think they should leave their cards alone tbh.

you clearly didn't read my OP. Have another go and see what I said.

ejmaztec wrote: »

The people currently on medical cards would probably disagree, a lot of them were bellyaching about the prescription charge.

€50 and you get all the medical care you want for a year. Yeah what is the world coming to.

hondasam

€50 fee per card for the year is fair, charge more for prescriptions. People with medical cards have everything to easy.

Cill Dara Abu

Kiera wrote: »

Old people get fúck all as it is, i think they should leave their cards alone tbh.

Um... What? They get, free electricity units, free fuel, free phone, free travel, oh and over €200 p/w!

They get too much!

Kiera

Big Steve wrote: »

you clearly didn't read my OP. Have another go and see what I said.

Oh sorry, i'm sick and cant really focus on the screen

Kiera

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

Um... What? They get, free electricity units, free fuel, free phone, free travel, oh and over €200 p/w!

They get too much!

You have no idea what you're talking about, get back in your box, kiddo!:rolleyes:

hondasam

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

Um... What? They get, free electricity units, free fuel, free phone, free travel, oh and over €200 p/w!

They get too much!

They get all this but I would exclude them from the extra charges tbh.

Kiera

hondasam wrote: »

They get all this but I would exclude them from the extra charges tbh.

They dont get all this if they are living with a child who is working for fúck all!

Dj Stiggie

hondasam wrote: »

€50 fee per card for the year is fair, charge more for prescriptions. People with medical cards have everything to easy.

Maybe the people who exploit the social services in this country do.

But ask anyone who has a medical card because of the Long Term Illness Scheme how easy their life is...

Cill Dara Abu

Kiera wrote: »

You have no idea what you're talking about, get back in your box, kiddo!:rolleyes:

Seems to me you are talking through your arse!:rolleyes:

hondasam wrote: »

They get all this but I would exclude them from the extra charges tbh.

Why? Because they're old?

Kiera

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

Seems to me you are talking through your arse!:rolleyes:

Why? Because they're old?

Are you having a laugh? I know this first hand!

Go back to your Ann and Barry books.

Sunnyisland

50 euro a year is not to much to ask, Didn't vote as I don't think its a great idea, just another way to get our dept down.Imo.

Cill Dara Abu

Kiera wrote: »

They dont get all this if they are living with a child who is working for fúck all!

Awh you still living at home? :pac:

Saila

OP needs more yellow

gsxr1

I like the idea but disagree with the flat fee. It is to much for peeps who dont need the doctor much.

Maybe a subsidized charge for a doctors visit.
I had a medical card during a year or two of unemployment due to redundancy .
If I had a niggle or odd pain I was off to the doctor.

It was free. Looking back now I admit, it was ridiculous and probably abuse of the service. But there was no incentive to not use the service.

If I had to pay 15euro each visit, I probably would have just used google to figure out what my pains where.

woodoo

I'd prefer a €5 or €10 per visit charge

UglyBolloxFace

Big Steve wrote: »

I heard on the radio a rumour that the government are going to introduce an annual fee of €50 for the medical card in the budget.

Personally I think:
€50 a year fee for the medical card. I actually think that's a fantastic idea. €50 per person between 18 - 65 that get a medical card every year. Pump every last penny back into resources in the HSE on equipment for treating people and frontline staff (feck the consultants and admin staff).
Its about time they got something right. I sincerely hope this comes to fruition

Do you honestly think this fee will be used to improve services and not go toward paying off debts? If so, you are deluded.

3ndahalfof6

its mad dogs sheit

bogtreader

This charge is a gateway to everyone paying towards the universal healthcare
coming down the tracks.Medical card holders pay 50 euro now.When the time comes for
the universal healthcare everyone makes a contribution Simples

hondasam

Dj Stiggie wrote: »

Maybe the people who exploit the social services in this country do.

But ask anyone who has a medical card because of the Long Term Illness Scheme how easy their life is...

We are talking about money here not health. I appreciate illness is not nice or easy.

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

Why? Because they're old?

Well our elderly deserve some respect if they have worked all their lives.

Gannicus

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Do you honestly think this fee will be used to improve services and not go toward paying off debts? If so, you are deluded.

No but if you read my post again thats why I said "Personally I think" before I launched into it. Even if it was used to help pay the bailout quicker we can still then turn cancel the cuts to the HSE once the bailout is cleared then send it solely to the HSE like I said to frontline staff and equipment.

Saila

so your poll is going to be open for 2+ years

Cill Dara Abu

hondasam wrote: »

Well our elderly deserve some respect if they have worked all their lives.

And people that have lost their jobs during this recession don't deserve respect?

Saila

Big Steve wrote: »

No but if you read my post again thats why I said "Personally I think" before I launched into it. Even if it was used to help pay the bailout quicker we can still then turn cancel the cuts to the HSE once the bailout is cleared then send it solely to the HSE like I said to frontline staff and equipment.

*bites lip and ends up chewing right through to the jawbone*

Gummy Panda

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

And people that have lost their jobs during this recession don't deserve respect?

I understand your points but a part of me doesn't want to take from elderly people who don't have much (i know there is some who have a lot). I'd rather their twilight years to be better then years of depression/recession they have already lived through.

Gannicus

Saila wrote: »

*bites lip and ends up chewing right through to the jawbone*

Regardless of what you chew right through its a small fee to pay for health care consider most of us pay that and the rest for a trip to the GP and twice that for a trip to A&E......

Aoifey!

It's not a great idea, but it is a fair enough one, and I'm on the medical card. 50 euro for the whole year isn't half bad really.

Sunnyisland

Saila wrote: »

*bites lip and ends up chewing right through to the jawbone*

Big Steve wrote: »

Regardless of what you chew right through its a small fee to pay for health care consider most of us pay that and the rest for a trip to the GP and twice that for a trip to A&E......

once the bailout is cleared


I thing this is what he was referring to.

Meauldsegosha

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

Kiera wrote: »

Old people get fúck all as it is, i think they should leave their cards alone tbh.

Um... What? They get, free electricity units, free fuel, free phone, free travel, oh and over €200 p/w!

They get too much!

You don't know what you're talking about. They don't get free electricity units and free fuel. They get an allowance towards either their gas or electricity bills.

When you're 74 and feeling the cold, come back and tell us if pensioners should get the allowance.

ejmaztec

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I understand your points but a part of me doesn't want to take from elderly people who don't have much (i know there is some who have a lot). I'd rather their twilight years to be better then years of depression/recession they have already lived through.

They've probably worked their tits and balls off to earn the so-called "perks" of post-retirement, so it wouldn't be entirely above board of the government to take them away, especially the poorer ones.

hondasam

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

And people that have lost their jobs during this recession don't deserve respect?

Sure they do but oap's deserve that little bit more imo.

Aoifey! wrote: »

It's not a great idea, but it is a fair enough one, and I'm on the medical card. 50 euro for the whole year isn't half bad really.

Exactly, still cheap medical care compared to people who don't have a medical card.
I'm sure you would be willing to pay extra for your prescription.

vampire of kilmainham

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

Um... What? They get, free electricity units, free fuel, free phone, free travel, oh and over €200 p/w!

They get too much!

they worked all their lives and paid tax to get all that so their entitled to it

biko

Rumour medical card thread merged into general budget thread.

Cill Dara Abu

TishyO wrote: »

You don't know what you're talking about. They don't get free electricity units and free fuel. They get an allowance towards either their gas or electricity bills.

When you're 74 and feeling the cold, come back and tell us if pensioners should get the allowance.

Same fcuking thing :rolleyes: Oh because I'm in my 20's I can't feel the cold? Get a grip.

hondasam wrote: »

Sure they do but oap's deserve that little bit more imo.

Why?

vampire of kilmainham wrote: »

they worked all their lives and paid tax to get all that so their entitled to it

:rolleyes:

Kiera

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

Same fcuking thing :rolleyes: Oh because I'm in my 20's I can't feel the cold? Get a grip.

Why?

:rolleyes:

hahahaha, you've copped on that you dont know what you're talking about so?

hondasam

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

.

Why?

These people have worked hard and should get something back from the country. You have parents and maybe grandparents, do you not think they deserve respect?

Cill Dara Abu

Kiera wrote: »

hahahaha, you've copped on that you dont know what you're talking about so?

Allowance=Free, so off back to the kitchen there love

Kiera

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

Allowance=Free, so off back to the kitchen there love

I'm embarrassed for you. Go off to google and look up what you "think" you know. Then come back to the big kids. :rolleyes:

Sunnyisland

My name is URL wrote: »

They should introduce a 1 cent tax on text messages. It'd raise over €60,000,000 per year.

That could ring a bell.

KeithM89_old

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

Allowance=Free, so off back to the kitchen there love

Youre done here.

Meauldsegosha

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

Same fcuking thing :rolleyes: Oh because I'm in my 20's I can't feel the cold? Get a grip.

It's not the same thing. You have stated in this thread and others that pensioners get free electricity units and free fuel. This is factualy incorrect.

If you are going to continue to comment on OAP entitlements get the correct information.

gsxr1

I would like to think that after a life time of tax paying work, I would not have a medical card taken off me .
And not be put in the same bracket as tracksuit Tom who has been to feckin lazy to lift his arse out of bed since he was thrown out of school.

I also think that any person who has all their stamps payed through working, and is unfortunate enough to get layed off should also not be charged .

Anotherducky

Rumours surrounding this budget are really getting me down...i.e.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1124/1224308056484.html

Can't believe this "sugar tax" on soft drinks looks like a runner. I don't drink a huge amount of Coke/Pepsi etc. but I'm pretty sure it's expensive enough as it is. Why should I, as a non obese person, pay extra for a whiskey/rum/vodka and coke down the pub when it already costs 8-10 quid because some people don't exercise?

I feel like I’m being discriminated against.

UglyBolloxFace

Anotherducky wrote: »

Rumours surrounding this budget are really getting me down...i.e.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1124/1224308056484.html

Can't believe this "sugar tax" on soft drinks looks like a runner. I don't drink a huge amount of Coke/Pepsi etc. but I'm pretty sure it's expensive enough as it is. Why should I, as a non obese person, pay extra for a whiskey/rum/vodka and coke down the pub when it already costs 8-10 quid because some people don't exercise?

I feel like I’m being discriminated against.

Now, the part that annoys me is why should we take this from a Minister who himself is obese?

FG are not introducing this tax to curb obesity - they are doing it simply to raise funds to pay off debts.

padd b1975

Anotherducky wrote: »

Rumours surrounding this budget are really getting me down...i.e.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1124/1224308056484.html

Can't believe this "sugar tax" on soft drinks looks like a runner. I don't drink a huge amount of Coke/Pepsi etc. but I'm pretty sure it's expensive enough as it is. Why should I, as a non obese person, pay extra for a whiskey/rum/vodka and coke down the pub when it already costs 8-10 quid because some people don't exercise?

I feel like I’m being discriminated against.

Poor you.
First world problems thread >>>>>

bytesize

Will Pepsi Max and the like still get this tax thrown on? No sugar and all...

yupyup7up

what a load of c0ck. I train 6 days a week, but I don't have the best diet. F*cking nanny state. I'll fight tooth and nail to prevent this affecting me!!!!!!!!!

Gareth2011

Biggins wrote: »

You can get the likes of Tescos' and Dunnes own brand bread for 60 to 70 cent.
In some stores however, they (for obvious reason) sell out fast and your left with the standard priced bread which retails for €1.50 upwards.

Tesco beans and spagetti, 29 cent a can, tesco bread 70 cent. Unfortunatly I cycled 14k with these in my bag on my back and the bread wasnt square anymore.

Biggins

Gareth2011 wrote: »

...the bread wasnt square anymore.

Hate when that happens. I try my best to avoid that situation but once in a while I still get squashed bread by the time I get home!

:pac:

gigino

In the past, when they reduced the vat rate the amount of vat they collected actually increased, not decreased.

a year or 2 ago when they increased vat from 21% to 21.5%, they found that tax take DECREASED.

If they put up vat by 2% to 23% I can guarantee they will collect less vat than if they left it at 21%. Plus our shops + businesses will suffer, with knock on effects, like a domino. The only people to gain will be Northern shops + online sellers abroad.

Stiffler2

4 cent increase per litre of fuel - added
% increase for Car Tax - added
Carbon Tax Increase - added
Water tax - added
Property Tax - added
VAT icreased by 2% - added


...sigh...