What player are you most looking forward to seeing out of the 2012 NFL draft?

Chucky the tree

davyjose wrote: »

If we draft RG3, I'll bawl my eyes out. Just saying...

If you guys can trade down a few spots and pick up a lot of extra picks for Luck then I wouldn't think it's such a bad idea.

Padji1

Don't watch a whole lot of college ball but I've caught Brock Osweiler a few times and he looked very good. Is he seen as a prospect? He definitely has the height!

What about Mathieu (spelling??) for LSU, has been a major playmaker all year but maybe is a bit small?

johnmcdnl

Padji1 wrote: »

Don't watch a whole lot of college ball but I've caught Brock Osweiler a few times and he looked very good. Is he seen as a prospect? He definitely has the height!

What about Mathieu (spelling??) for LSU, has been a major playmaker all year but maybe is a bit small?

Mathieu is only a second year in college and isn't draft eligible until next year... (have to be 3 years out of high school before your eligible to be drafted in the NFL)

menu14

vinny chase wrote: »

No, I didn't include the Jaguars in my list above, I simply mentioned them in response to something another poster said. I made the point that some teams may have felt they jumped the gun in moving up last year to draft the 1st Round talents they picked, and I used the example of Gabbert and Christian Ponder, when perhaps the smarter move might have been to leave Garrard and McNabb there for the year and then have a play at some of the QB's available in this year's draft class. It's a matter of opinion though as to whether or not you consider this year's class better than last years, but personally speaking, I'd probably rather have Robert Griffin, Matt Barkley or Andrew Luck than Blaine Gabbert or Christian Ponder.

I take it all back. He was so horrible at the weekend, they could very well be looking for a QB come April. I would imagine it would be a mid to late round pick though. Gabbert looked like he took a step forward last week but this week he was horrible. No pocket presence, any time anyone came near him he folded like a deck chair. Shocking! The only thing I would say in his defence is it did look like he lost all confidence when Lewis dropped that pass in the endzone.

vinny chase

Awesome (probable final) game for Matt Barkley as a USC Trojan. 35 completions, 6 TD passes. 50-0 rout, over your crosstown rivals. The fact that UCLA are contesting the PAC Championship is ludicrous.

If Barkley and Kalil stay for one more year he'll shatter every USC record and be a legit national title contender.

He also must be very seriously in the Heisman discussion now too.

Lirange

jack presley wrote: »

I'm wary of the hype around Barkley. Ok his stats at good and he looks good on tape but so did Leinhart, Sanchez and Palmer before him and none of them set the NFL on fire. What is it with USC QBs not living up to the hype?

And I know Palmer had one great season and Sanchez has been in 2 AFC title games but I don't think anyone would say they're elite QBs

Palmer became a 2x pro bowl QB the first two seasons he started and was one of the top 3 most productive QBs before his injury.

You judge them each on an individual basis. Doing otherwise is just foolish. Can you imagine prior to the 2005 draft if the Packers thought, "Kyle Boller was crap for the Ravens so we'll steer clear of Aaron Rodgers as clearly those CAL quarterbacks are not up for it!"

Paully D

Matt Barkley.

davyjose

jack presley wrote: »

I'm wary of the hype around Barkley. Ok his stats at good and he looks good on tape but so did Leinhart, Sanchez and Palmer before him and none of them set the NFL on fire. What is it with USC QBs not living up to the hype?

And I know Palmer had one great season and Sanchez has been in 2 AFC title games but I don't think anyone would say they're elite QBs

Can't really speak for palmer or Leinart -- wasn't really watching much College Football at the time -- but I remember watching Sanchez, and not being blown away. Alternatively, Barkley has singed my brain with his ability. Barkley is substantially more impressive than Sanchez, and has the look of an NFL QB.

If Barkley and Sancez somehow Freaky Friday'd it, the Jets would be superbowl Champions right now. IMO.

Padji1

johnmcdnl wrote: »

Mathieu is only a second year in college and isn't draft eligible until next year... (have to be 3 years out of high school before your eligible to be drafted in the NFL)

Didn't know that, have been very impressed with him and has made a few tackles tonight.

What about Brock Osweiler?

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Padji1 wrote: »

Didn't know that, have been very impressed with him and has made a few tackles tonight.

What about Brock Osweiler?

Huge potential alright, but I would be absolutely shocked if he declared for the 2012 draft. He's 99% likely to come back and build on this year and improve his stock while doing so. Could be a first rounder in 2013 imo.

does anyone else think luck mite pull an eil manning on the colts.Who wants to try to replace peyton and on top of that no1s impressed with the colt fans wearing luck jerseys already given what peytons done for them

Stev_o

Im half tempted to say that RG3 should be number 1 overall.....

On paper at least it looks like one of the best draft years for offensive prospects.

DDC1990

I want Matheu NOW!

He is unreal.

Bucs could do with a replacement for Ronde, i feel a 0-16 year coming for the Bucs :P

Having said that Clayborne is doing alright, so maybe Claiborne might come to Tampa?

LSU D is unstoppable.

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DDC1990 wrote: »

I want Matheu NOW!

He is unreal.

Bucs could do with a replacement for Ronde, i feel a 0-16 year coming for the Bucs :P

Having said that Clayborne is doing alright, so maybe Claiborne might come to Tampa?

LSU D is unstoppable.

Sadly for Bucs fans, there's not a chance Claiborne falls outside the top 7/8 picks. Some other very good CB prospects this year though that they could go for with a 1st round pick.

DDC1990

The secondary has to be improved drastically. Trade up maybe, or as I said, lie in wait for the Honey Badger.

skeleton_boy

What about Ball from Wisc? He's close to breaking Barry Sanders TD record. will he be as prolific in the nfl?

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I'd say he could be the second running back off the board, although given the low value of running backs in the draft historically, that might not be until the 2nd round. Would be a great red zone / short yardage back in the NFL, don't know if he'd be a huge playmaker in first down situations though - really depends on what the O-line of the team that drafts him is like.

deckyoh

for me its mat kahlil,as a tortured vikings supporter of 20years god need we need that offensive lineman and any sort of a shutdown corner would be nice

tallaghtoutlaws

skeleton_boy wrote: »

What about Ball from Wisc? He's close to breaking Barry Sanders TD record. will he be as prolific in the nfl?

I love Trent Richardson but I love Montee Ball even more. Dude is one of the sharpest runners in College football right now and last season he was a tad slow and in the off season he lost 20 pounds and worked on his conditioning and look at the season he is having. He wont go above Richardson though. Even though he will have more of an impact in the NFL than Richardson due to his receiving ability also.

vinny chase

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

I love Trent Richardson but I love Montee Ball even more. Dude is one of the sharpest runners in College football right now and last season he was a tad slow and in the off season he lost 20 pounds and worked on his conditioning and look at the season he is having. He wont go above Richardson though. Even though he will have more of an impact in the NFL than Richardson due to his receiving ability also.

I don't quite follow your last line; I think Ball is a great talent but Richardson is a good receiver out of the back field as well; in fact this is why I think he's a better pro prospect than the guy he used to share the backfield with, Mark Ingram.

He's caught more passes for more yards this season than Montee Ball.

D3PO

as good as they both are I think LaMicheal James will make a better Pro than both of them.

you read it here first

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D3PO wrote: »

as good as they both are I think LaMicheal James will make a better Pro than both of them.

you read it here first

For the one quarter he plays until he gets broken in 2 by his first tackle by an NFL linebacker, yeah! :pac:

And I actually agree with Vinny, one of Richardson's best assets is ability to be a passing option for his QB. He's consitently been a fantastic weapon in that regard at Alabama, I'd rate him much higher than Ball.

D3PO

Peyton Manning wrote: »

For the one quarter he plays until he gets broken in 2 by his first tackle by an NFL linebacker, yeah! :pac:

Hey you leave Jahvid Best outta this :pac::pac:

P.S Tim Tebow isnt an NFL linebacker yet :p

tallaghtoutlaws

vinny chase wrote: »

I don't quite follow your last line; I think Ball is a great talent but Richardson is a good receiver out of the back field as well; in fact this is why I think he's a better pro prospect than the guy he used to share the backfield with, Mark Ingram.

He's caught more passes for more yards this season than Montee Ball.

What is there to get? I think he is a better all round prospect out of the backfield than Richardson including his Receiving abilities. Personal opinion. And for the record here is their receiving numbers. Actually like for like but Im not using stats for my opinion. Its really to each their own. Neither of them have yet stepped into the NFL and both are top prospects so only time will tell.

Montee Ball: Rec: 20 Yards: 255 Avg: 12.8 Lng: 68 TD: 6

Trent Richardson: Rec 27 Yards: 327 Avg: 12.1 Lng: 61 TD: 3

vinny chase

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

What is there to get? I think he is a better all round prospect out of the backfield than Richardson including his Receiving abilities. Personal opinion. And for the record here is their receiving numbers. Actually like for like but Im not using stats for my opinion. Its really to each their own. Neither of them have yet stepped into the NFL and both are top prospects so only time will tell.

Montee Ball: Rec: 20 Yards: 255 Avg: 12.8 Lng: 68 TD: 6

Trent Richardson: Rec 27 Yards: 327 Avg: 12.1 Lng: 61 TD: 3

You said you'd think Ball will be a better pro "due to his receiving ability" which implied this was a skill Richardson lacked.

Simple as that.

tallaghtoutlaws

vinny chase wrote: »

You said you'd think Ball will be a better pro "due to his receiving ability" which implied this was a skill Richardson lacked.

Simple as that.

Did you ever think for one moment that everything I said was my own opinion? I mean I never said it was fact and I never implied Richardson lacked anything. That is what you took from it. Big difference.

vinny chase

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Did you ever think for one moment that everything I said was my own opinion? I mean I never said it was fact and I never implied Richardson lacked anything. That is what you took from it. Big difference.

Maybe you should try and be more clear then.

To be honest; you're quite an annoying poster on here for this sort of stuff.

I don't dispute you know your football, maybe more than most people on this board. But anytime anyone calls you on anything you jump down their throat and imply they've made mistakes in how they're interpreting things, or that they don't know what they're talking about.

Doesn't exactly make for good debate.

tallaghtoutlaws

vinny chase wrote: »

Maybe you should try and be more clear then.

Clear about what? You said I said Richardson lacked something. I never said Richardson lacked anything, you came to that conclusion on your own.

To be honest; you're quite an annoying poster on here for this sort of stuff.

You don't like what I say report me or ignore me simple as.

I don't dispute you know your football, maybe more than most people on this board. But anytime anyone calls you on anything you jump down their throat and imply they've made mistakes in how they're interpreting things, or that they don't know what they're talking about.

Where did I jump down your throat? You questioned my opinion and I cleared it up for you. If you don't like the response report me or ignore me it is that simple.

Doesn't exactly make for good debate.

I believe in my own Opinion Ball is better than Richardson and to be fair if you want to debate that, fair enough. But my opinion of the two is what it is. You don't like it big deal move on. I mean the thread title is:

"What player are you most looking forward to seeing out of the 2012 NFL draft?"

Hardly the right thread to look for a debate from people on their own preference.

vinny chase

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Clear about what? You said I said Richardson lacked something. I never said Richardson lacked anything, you came to that conclusion on your own.



You don't like what I say report me or ignore me simple as.



Where did I jump down your throat? You questioned my opinion and I cleared it up for you. If you don't like the response report me or ignore me it is that simple.



I believe in my own Opinion Ball is better than Richardson and to be fair if you want to debate that, fair enough. But my opinion of the two is what it is. You don't like it big deal move on. I mean the thread title is:

"What player are you most looking forward to seeing out of the 2012 NFL draft?"

Hardly the right thread to look for a debate from people on their own preference.

I couldn't be bothered.

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I think we all know there's only one way to settle this....

Username bet.

Neil3030

Vinny, address the post, not the poster.

Otherwise, report or ignore.

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Quick mock top 15 based on the current standings:

1. Colts: Andrew Luck (QB, Stanford)
I'm slowly coming round to the fact that Peyton Manning may not be a Colt for too much longer. But even if he is, it's now getting to the stage where no matter what happens, the Colts go with Luck. They've seen life without a franchise QB, it's not something they'll want to experience again.

2. Rams: Matt Kalil (OT, USC)
The Rams have also seen life without a franchise QB. That's why they drafted Sam Bradford, but that's no good if he's injured every week due to the zero protection he gets. Matt Kalil is a franchise left tackle for years to come and gives Bradford some much needed assistance.

3. Vikings: Justin Blackmon (WR, Oklahoma State)
Christian Ponder is the QB of the future in Minnesota, so it might make sense to give him a weapon to work with. Blackmon and Rudolph could be a golden WR/TE duo for Ponder to rely on. Was very tempted to give the Vikings Riley Reiff here also.

4. Jaguars: Morris Claiborne (CB, LSU)
The Jaguars face Andre Johnson twice a year, and Kenny Britt will be back for the Titans next year. Then you've also got Andrew Luck who will make some happy young receiver his go to guy in Indy over the next 10 years, so the Jaguars should nip all the above in the bud and draft a potential shut down corner in Claiborne. Better safe than sorry.

5. Redskins: Matt Barkley (QB, USC)
Shanahan has gone back and forth between his QBs this season, a good indicator that he doesn't like either. This pick was between Griffin and Barkley, and Shanahan seems to prefer the more stereotypical pocket passer rather than the dual threat. That gives the edge to Barkley, but only just. Griffin will probably shoot up the board after the combine and workouts though.

6. Buccaneers: Riley Reiff (OT, Iowa)
The reason the Bucs were so good last year was because Blount and Freeman (and Mike Williams through extension) were able to do their thing. That hasn't happened this year, and it's because their O-line has been very poor. I think they take Reiff who is effective in both pass protection and run blocking, although the temptation to pick Barber's successor might be too much.

7. Eagles: Alshon Jeffery (WR, South Carolina)
DeSean Jackson looks like he's on the way out in Philly, which would pave the way for the Eagles to draft a franchise WR. Jeffery is the top wideout left on the board, and would be a lovely scoop for the Eagles at number 7 if he lands there.

8. Dolphins: Robert Griffin III (QB, Baylor)
If the Redskins don't take Griffin, then Miami will. Otherwise, it will be Barkley but as impressive as Matt Moore has been, I don't think he's the future in Miami. Griffin would be a terrific fit for their offence, and would turn an awful-come-average team into a playoff contender almost immediately.

9. Browns: Trent Richardson (RB, Alabama)
Peyton Hillis doesn't have a future in Cleveland it seems, and the Browns have seen what a franchise RB can do for you in his one season of wonder. Trent Richardson would fill a big need for Cleveland and take some pressure off of Colt McCoy.

10. Panthers: Dre Kirkpatrick (CB, Alabama)
I think the Panthers are confident that their offence can put up points on the board - it's just a question of stopping the opposition of outscoring them every week. Dre Kirkpatrick is the best cornerback on the board at this pick and I don't think they hesitate in addressing the defence.

11. Seahawks: Quinton Copels (DE, North Carolina)
It's only when you actually sit down and project a mock draft that you see some risers/fallers. Coples is the big faller here, and I'm not sure why. Huge talent at a key position, it just seemed to make more sense to draft others elsewhere. The Seahawks wouldn't pass up on him, but neither might the Jags at #4. (I would not be at all surprised to see Carroll trade up for Matt Barkley however).

12. Chargers: Vontaze Burfict (LB, Arizona State)
The Chargers need a bit of life on defense, and Burfict is the perfect remedy. An aggresive playmaker, he'll bounce off the sidelines and make plays all over the field, although they could pick up some offensive line help either.

13. Chiefs: Landry Jones (QB, Oklahoma)
Orton's contract is up at the end of the year and Matt Cassel is due around $6 million in 2012, far too much for an average QB. I think the Chiefs could write them both off and go with Landry Jones, but I'm half expecting him to either stay in college or for his stock to plummet.

14. Bills: Courtney Upshaw (LB, Alabama) The Bills could cement an exceptional inside pass rush by adding Upshaw to bolster the Dareus pick last year. In a division with Tom Brady and what could be one of Robert Griffin III or Matt Barkley, you can never have too much pass rush.

15. Cardinals: Michael Adams (OT, Ohio State)
It's not much use giving up a lot for Kevin Kolb if you can't protect him. By extension, that also limits what you can get out of your best player in Larry Fitzgerald. I think the Cardinals will try to shore up that supply chain by protecting their signal caller.

Stev_o

Honestly after his performance against Ok St I can't see Jones being drafted that high. I dunno maybe he will on the desperation for QB's but that performance will have left a bad taste in the scouts mouth.

Also and maybe it's just me but would Kendall Wright not be number 2 WR on the board? I know he doesn't have Jeffersons measurable but his stats this season have been extremely good and he's a perfect replacement for Jackson if you think the Eagles would draft WR that high up.

Neil3030

I really don't think Jackson has done enough for Carroll not to take a QB with his first pick. It will be interesting to see how far up he trades, or if he takes Jones.

Stev_o

I think Jones could be a bust, if anything it should point out how ****ing good Broyles was. Broyles will be some steal for a team in the 2nd or 3rd round thanks to his knee injury.

D3PO

good thread but no way Richardson goes as a top 10 pick. Running backs draft value these days isnt strong enough for that to happen.

also Id be shocked if Landry Jones goes in the first round not to mind as high as you have him.

Id be shocked if the Eagles drafted a wide out in the first round aswell. We are far more likely to draft Upshaw if we are picking that high. Backer or safety is most likely.

with a view to getting Kendall wright, or Broyles later in the draft. Jackson at worst will be franchised and traded for some decent picks. Getting rid of Vince Young will free up enolugh cap space for us to do a deal with him.

will do my mock draft tomorrow

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Mock drafts are a lot of fun. I really wish there was a similar platform to a fantasy football draft application to a mock draft

Syferus

I really don't see how the Jags can't not take the best QB in the draft that's not called Andrew Luck. It's the Panthers situation from last year all over again.

D3PO wrote: »

good thread but no way Richardson goes as a top 10 pick. Running backs draft value these days isnt strong enough for that to happen.

also Id be shocked if Landry Jones goes in the first round not to mind as high as you have him.

Id be shocked if the Eagles drafted a wide out in the first round aswell. We are far more likely to draft Upshaw if we are picking that high. Backer or safety is most likely.

with a view to getting Kendall wright, or Broyles later in the draft. Jackson at worst will be franchised and traded for some decent picks. Getting rid of Vince Young will free up enolugh cap space for us to do a deal with him.

will do my mock draft tomorrow

Depending on where they land, I'd bet Richardson is heading to Ohio, either Cleveland or Cincy. He could easily be a top 10.

The Eagles are loaded at WR outside of Jackson so I really don't think they'd need to draft a WR high even if he left.

matthew8

My main problems with that first round are that Jax and Seattle need QBs (Seattle could actually be good with a good QB) and that the Vikings don't need another WR. I mean, Ponder already has Harvin, who can be elite if he stays healthy, a couple of other decent WRs, a good TE in Shiancoe and a big target in Rudolph and the best RB in the league. Reiff makes a lot more sense for them. Ponder's passing is fine and his targets are fine. Some better protection and he's on his way. Also I think you're way too offense heavy in that. 8 of the first 9 are on the offense. In the last draft that number was 5.

GoldFour4

I don't think any team would take a running back in the top ten unless they had none on their roster. Theres always a surprise or two every year. Look at Dallas, they got Murray in the third round. Its luck really when it comes to running backs.

Silver-Tiger

malachyscott wrote: »

I don't think any team would take a running back in the top ten unless they had none on their roster. Theres always a surprise or two every year. Look at Dallas, they got Murray in the third round. Its luck really when it comes to running backs.

Surely My Browns will try draft Richardson. Looks like Hillis is gone and we have 2 picks in the 1st to play with.

Stev_o

Silver-Tiger wrote: »

Surely My Browns will try draft Richardson. Looks like Hillis is gone and we have 2 picks in the 1st to play with.

Gotta go WR and RB. Whether that be WR first then RB I don't know but it makes more sense to me.

matthew8

Silver-Tiger wrote: »

Surely My Browns will try draft Richardson. Looks like Hillis is gone and we have 2 picks in the 1st to play with.

Tbh if Blackmon is still on the board you've gotta take him. Scouts inc have him at 9, the Browns will be picking sooner than 9, especially with that tough schedule coming in. There's bound to be a good running back in the later first round with your next pick, but an elite WR is what you guys need. I'd rather pick up a RB in free agency or a trade because it's hard to tell with RBs. You could also try and shore up the right side of your offensive line, but WR has to be top priority. The defense is fine I think, even if you're getting destroyed on the ground, if you can put up points teams will be forced to pass (it's no coincidence that the worst run defenses in yards per game, apart from the Panthers, have a very bad offense).

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There's no chance in hell Blackmon is there at 9, I'd bet any sum of money on that

Stev_o

What free agent RB's are up this year? Again drafting a RB in the first round is always a risky business unless they are incredibly sh*t hot. Mean hell you never know the Browns could throw Forte tons of money In fact looking at the FA list there are a few decent RB's that could get you by for a year or so.

Chucky the tree

Michael Bush of the Raiders is a free agent. he'd be an excellent pick up teams who need a running back. I've always felt spending a top 20 pick on a running back is a pretty terrible idea.

matthew8

Peyton Manning wrote: »

There's no chance in hell Blackmon is there at 9, I'd bet any sum of money on that

I reckon the Browns will pick 4-6, as I think they'll lose every game.

Syferus

Stev_o wrote: »

What free agent RB's are up this year? Again drafting a RB in the first round is always a risky business unless they are incredibly sh*t hot. Mean hell you never know the Browns could throw Forte tons of money In fact looking at the FA list there are a few decent RB's that could get you by for a year or so.

Trent Richardson is, shall we say then, incredibly sh*t hot. He's got everything to be as dependable, and indeed as good, as the Purple Jesus. I'd have no issues with a RB needy team drafting him in the top ten.

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Big, big rumours going around that Matt Kalil will be re-enrolling at USC next year. It's not official yet, but it seems to be well known on campus now. By extension, this of course means Matt Barkley will also be staying as they said they would make a joint decision. I would also expect two other first round talents in Nick Perry and TJ McDonald to stay now as Kiffin appears to have worked his magic, making USC favourites for the 2012 National Chsmpionship. If true, huge news that drastically changes the landscape of the draft, especially the top 10 picks. I reeeeally hope it's true

Paully D

I was hoping Barkley would be in this years draft to be honest. From what I've seen of him (albeit not a huge amount) I've always been more impressed with him than the other really talked about QB, Andrew Luck.