Republic of Ireland Team Talk/News/Rumours

yabadabado

stephenl15 wrote: »

Irish football is a farce from top to bottom! Not long before we're perennial 5th seeds! All the youngsters coming through are English born. Whatever we're doing at youth level on this island isn't working.

They aren't all English born:o
still some good players from this country but the FAI really have to start investing youth development.

stephenl15

yabadabado wrote: »

They aren't all English born:o
still some good players from this country but the FAI really have to start investing youth development.

Grealish, Grego-Cox, Ronan, that lad who played for west ham the other day :P

keeponhurling

I think the only English born player who regularly starts is Walters, or am I forgetting somebody ?

yabadabado

stephenl15 wrote: »

Grealish, Grego-Cox, Ronan, that lad who played for west ham the other day :P

so thats 4 lads .wow didn't realise that was all the youngsters coming through.

keeponhurling

In other news, it seems Shay Given has signed for Stoke City on a 2-year deal

stephenl15

keeponhurling wrote: »

I think the only English born player who regularly starts is Walters, or am I forgetting somebody ?

I did mean youngsters coming through :P But yeah it's only Walters. Then you've McGeady and McCarthy from Scotland

Wilberto

keeponhurling wrote: »

In other news, it seems Shay Given has signed for Stoke City on a 2-year deal....

....to be Jack Butland's deputy.

Lemmy Scott

O neill has lost his appetite for the game and is extremely negative against rubbish teams I would like to see him gone -we wont qualify for next two tournaments -world cups over before the draw is made due to our seeding and luck with getting ****e draws.

Give keano a go for next few games then if he messes up get macarthy back in.

Lemmy Scott

Trond wrote: »

If he does go who do people want as a replacement?

Personally Id like to see Houghton or McCarthy again....

houghton :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Godot.

Paully D wrote: »

If O'Neill leaves:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M

Getting rid of O'Neill AND someone paying actual money for him

Who says Christmas isn't in July? :pac:

Fr Tod Umptious

I'm sure if MON leaves there will be plenty here complaining about the FAI allowing him to leave and complaining that they did not negotiate a good enough compensation deal.

As for the new manager its a pity Sean O Driscooll has just got a new job with Liverpool.
I have always thought he was be worth a try, and at this point in time all we can really do is look a guys who are worth a try.

MaroonAndGreen

Lemmy Scott wrote:

houghton

I'm assuming he meant Chris Hughton and not Ray Houghton 😛

who_ru

I can't see how losing O Neill at this stage would be a big loss. The team has performed very poorly but with the level of 'talent' he has at his disposal maybe it's as good as it gets. We're not going to qualify for a major tournament for the foreseeable future so why pay such big money to supposedly high profile managers when that money could be put into coaching and development at youth level?

keeponhurling

I have kinda felt that things are getting slowly better under O'Neill, and we are only a decent striker away from possibly qualifying

Hope he sees out the campaign, it's only a few months in any case

The_Kew_Tour

keeponhurling wrote: »

I have kinda felt that things are getting slowly better under O'Neill, and we are only a decent striker away from possibly qualifying

Hope he sees out the campaign, it's only a few months in any case

We are not getting better but we played a team that were at around or standard and we just passed it about 5 extra times.

keeponhurling

Well Claudio Ranieri is the new manager of Leicester, so after all the talk MO'N stays.

TheCitizen

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

We are not getting better but we played a team that were at around or standard and we just passed it about 5 extra times.

If you're going to go out of your way to be negative, you'll surely succeed in finding a way. There was improvement in the 1 st half performance v Scotland the last day, if they can continue with that they may still qualify. Cheer up.

The_Kew_Tour

We played better cause its not Germany or Poland, but a team we should be beating at home, which we didn't.

Trond

What annoys me the most is our attitude when we take the lead in matches. It started under Trap and is seems to be continuing under O'Neill. Its slowly killing us points wise....

TheCitizen

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

We played better cause its not Germany or Poland, but a team we should be beating at home, which we didn't.

We played better than away to Scotland and than in the away win in Georgia. There was some signs of improvement the last day, I'm hoping and think that may continue throughout the rest of the Group.

yabadabado

Good article by Emmet Malone.FAI really are a disgraceful organisation.


Daniel McDonnell ‏@McDonnellDan 3m3 minutes ago

Noel Kennedy from Sligo/Leitrim League given Life Membership. Speech concludes that John Delaney is ‘best signing the FAI have ever made’:o

stephenl15

yabadabado wrote: »

Good article by Emmet Malone.FAI really are a disgraceful organisation.


Daniel McDonnell ‏@McDonnellDan 3m3 minutes ago

Noel Kennedy from Sligo/Leitrim League given Life Membership. Speech concludes that John Delaney is ‘best signing the FAI have ever made’:o

Disgrace. Absolutely depressed at the current state and future of Irish football. I've always been a huge fan and international qualifiers took precedence over anything for me, but now I just don't care. Delaney as an absolute joke and we will never move forward with him at the helm

The_Kew_Tour

The title laughing stock is used too many times, but not with the FAI..

eire4

stephenl15 wrote: »

Disgrace. Absolutely depressed at the current state and future of Irish football. I've always been a huge fan and international qualifiers took precedence over anything for me, but now I just don't care. Delaney as an absolute joke and we will never move forward with him at the helm

I wish I could disagree with your post but I can't. The state of Irish football is really very depressing. Sure we are a small country so we will go through some spells where our talent pool is not so great. That might be part of the reason the current Irish squad is as weak as it is. But for me the main reason is the almost complete abdication by the FAI in developing our most promising young players something which the FAI has refused to do for decades and now as the game has changed so dramatically across the Irish sea with the deluge of TV money the days when our most promising young players were getting a good football education are fading as our lads get pushed further down the pecking order over there. On top of that at the younger ages within Ireland we still are beholden to the out dated system of development via non professional local clubs. Which hurts us as our young guys struggle technically as they move into their teens.
I wish I could say there was hope on the horizon but I don't see it and in fact I would expect our footballing fortunes to retun to the levels of the 1960's and 1970's where other then the odd result and player here and there we are a non factor internationally.

ionadnapokot

WC Draw
The winners of each group will qualify for Russia 2018, while the eight best group runners-up will take part in a play-off in November 2017.
Seeding pots for the draw:
Pot 1: Germany, Belgium, Holland, Portugal, Romania, England, Wales, Spain, Croatia
Pot 2: Slovakia, Austria, Italy, Switzerland, Czech Republic, France, Iceland, Denmark, Bosnia-Herzegovina
Pot 3: Ukraine, Scotland, Poland, Hungary, Sweden, Albania, Northern Ireland, Serbia, Greece
Pot 4: Turkey, Slovenia, Israel, IRELAND, Norway, Bulgaria, Faroe Islands, Montenegro, Estonia
Pot 5: Cyprus, Latvia, Armenia, Finland, Belarus, Macedonia, Azerbaijan, Lithuania, Moldova
Pot 6: Kazakhstan, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Georgia, Malta, San Marino, Andorra

They will be split into seven groups of six teams and two groups of five. UEFA has asked that England be placed in a group of six. The teams in each group will play each other home and away between September 4, 2016 and October 10, 2017.
The nine group winners will qualify for the finals, while the eight best group runners-up will contest four play-off ties in November 2017 with the winner of each also going to Russia.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/here-is-everything-you-need-to-know-ahead-of-tomorrows-world-cup-draw-31401157.html

ionadnapokot

Nightmare draw scenario:
Germany
France
Ukraine
Ireland
Armenia
Georgia

Ideal Draw:
Wales
Austria
Greece
Ireland
Cyprus
Andorra

keeponhurling

Previously I'd always be hoping for the "easiest" draw, so we have the best shot at qualification.

But now I'm only really thinking about what countries might be nice to visit, as I don't think we'll qualify regardless.

Pot 1: Another trip to Germany would be nice, although Spain is good too.
Pot 2: Wouldn't mind a return to Paris, although Iceland is a country I've never been to and always wanted to visit.
Pot 3: Sweden might be nice.

Turkey, Cyprus and Malta wouldn't be bad destinations for the last 3 pots.

Beefy78

Anyone know why England need to be in a Group of six? Sorry if it is something obvious.

ionadnapokot

keeponhurling wrote: »

Previously I'd always be hoping for the "easiest" draw, so we have the best shot at qualification.

But now I'm only really thinking about what countries might be nice to visit, as I don't think we'll qualify regardless.

Pot 1: Another trip to Germany would be nice, although Spain is good too.
Pot 2: Wouldn't mind a return to Paris, although Iceland is a country I've never been to and always wanted to visit.
Pot 3: Sweden might be nice.

Turkey, Cyprus and Malta wouldn't be bad destinations for the last 3 pots.

Fed up of getting ripped to go on away games. Gave that up as an expensive waste.
IF we get Wales you got to hope at least. And then i will go to Russia....and get ripped!

FatherTed

Beefy78 wrote: »

Anyone know why England need to be in a Group of six? Sorry if it is something obvious.

England, along with France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Holland, will be in a group of six teams at the request of UEFA in order to maximise television income.

Beefy78

Makes sense, thanks. The post read like it was just England.

FatherTed

Is being in one of the two groups of 5 better than in a group of 6 to enhance chances of qualifying?

Nunu

FatherTed wrote: »

Is being in one of the two groups of 5 better than in a group of 6 to enhance chances of qualifying?

No can't see how?

keeponhurling

FatherTed wrote: »

England, along with France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Holland, will be in a group of six teams at the request of UEFA in order to maximise television income.

Somehow seems wrong that decisions are based on this

Mr.Nice Guy

I hope we get NI. It would be interesting to say the least.

Kirby

keeponhurling wrote: »

Somehow seems wrong that decisions are based on this

Nothing new.

Sure look at the double seedings to try and maximise the "big" teams chances of making it through. You get a top seeding for the group stage. Play sh*te and end up in the playoffs? Random draw? Feck that. Have another top seeding to make sure you get the worst team possible.

It's a farce. :P

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I hope we get NI. It would be interesting to say the least.

I dont. Football matches should be about football.....not all the crap that will come with a game against them.

Mr.Nice Guy

Kirby wrote: »

I dont. Football matches should be about football.....not all the crap that will come with a game against them.

Maybe I'm being naive but I don't think it would be too bad.

Wilberto

FatherTed wrote: »

Is being in one of the two groups of 5 better than in a group of 6 to enhance chances of qualifying?

Nope, because when each of the teams who finish second are compared against each other to find the best eight teams, if your in a group of 6, the results against the teams in pot 6 will be ignored.


One could argue that's it's actually better to be in a group of 6 as, if your strikers are having confidence issues, banging in a hattrick against the likes of San Marino or Andorra might help slightly!

loyatemu

Wilberto wrote: »

Nope, because when each of the teams who finish second are compared against each other to find the best eight teams, if your in a group of 6, the results against the teams in pot 6 will be ignored.

I assume it's the results against the team that finishes 6th in the group that will be ignored - that might not necessarily be the 6th seeded team...

Wilberto

loyatemu wrote: »

I assume it's the results against the team that finishes 6th in the group that will be ignored - that might not necessarily be the 6th seeded team...

Of course.

PTH2009

Spain
Italy
Sweden
Republic Of Ireland
Finland
Malta

thats my guess of the draw. Ah sure we have the Rugby and Gaa, who needs a soccer world cup lol

Captain Havoc

PTH2009 wrote: »

Ah sure we have the Rugby and Gaa, who needs a soccer world cup lol

And the LoI #greatestleagueintheworld

Wilberto

PTH2009 wrote: »

Spain
Italy
Sweden
Republic Of Ireland
Finland
Malta

thats my guess of the draw. Ah sure we have the Rugby and Gaa, who needs a soccer world cup lol

TBH, given that it certainly looks unlikely that we'll qualify anyway, I'd nearly prefer a group like that so we can fill the stadium for our home games and make more money out of it. That said though, the depressing thing is that Irish soccer wouldn't even see half of the extra revenue generated as it would only just end up in John Delaney's pocket.


A group like this would be nice:

Spain - Should be a guaranteed sell out
France - Should be a guaranteed sell out
Poland - Guaranteed sellout
Rep. of Ireland
Lithuania - Going by the Eurovision results with us giving them quite a lot of points, I'd say this fixture could be almost as popular as the Poland match.

San Marino - I really want to see San Marino play. I was gutted I missed them the last time.

ionadnapokot

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Fed up of getting ripped to go on away games. Gave that up as an expensive waste.
IF we get Wales you got to hope at least. And then i will go to Russia....and get ripped!

Result. Start counting my Roubles

Paully D

Get rid of that clown and we have a chance.

Dempsey

Not a bad group, certainly have a chance if we get our act together

Awesomeness

Started awful with serbia and Georgia but wales and austria gives us a chance

efb

I'd saw we'll finish 4th

Slattsy

Could have been an awful lot worse. No team there you'd really look at and say we've no chance against.
I predict an awful lot of draws.

bur

Tough group, was always going to be. Potentially a group of teams that will all take points off each other.
We've gone from no chance to ...