Floyd Mayweather v Amir Khan

willmunny1990

walshb wrote: »

If only Floyd was as sure of victory as you. Pity!

This is getting ridiculous, their is nothing to suggest Manny has the ability to beat Floyd. We have seen Manny struggle against Marquez 3 times and he probably should of lost twice to him.

Who has he beaten?

1. A dehydrated over the hill De La Hoya, who was way under weight.

2. A beaten down Ricky Hatton, who was clearly finished after the Mayweather fight.

3. Margarito, who is nothing more than a one dimensional punching bag.

4. An aged Shane Mosely who Floyd had already taken care of.

Manny is way over-hyped by people and if anyone goes against the grain they get called a "fan boy" which is nonsense. People are letting their hatred for Floyd cloud their common sense and judgement, truth is this will be an easy fight for Floyd.

Big Ears

willmunny1990 wrote: »

This is getting ridiculous, their is nothing to suggest Manny has the ability to beat Floyd. We have seen Manny struggle against Marquez 3 times and he probably should of lost twice to him.

Who has he beaten?

1. A dehydrated over the hill De La Hoya, who was way under weight.

2. A beaten down Ricky Hatton, who was clearly finished after the Mayweather fight.

3. Margarito, who is nothing more than a one dimensional punching bag.

4. An aged Shane Mosely who Floyd had already taken care of.

Manny is way over-hyped by people and if anyone goes against the grain they get called a "fan boy" which is nonsense. People are letting their hatred for Floyd cloud their common sense and judgement, truth is this will be an easy fight for Floyd.

The best fighters in the World in pretty much every weight class he's operated in. You've also left off what is probably Manny's greatest win, a domination of a prime Miguel Angel Cotto. Feeling that Floyd would take care of Manny is one thing, but questioning Manny's credentials is a different one altogether. If he isn't that good, and his resume isn't that good, then do you feel that boxing from 140-154 is exceptionally weak ?, and that Floyd has only dominated in a weak era ?

Or perhaps are there other fighters out there that you view as being Mayweather's biggest risk, not Khan anyway as you don't seem to think much of him either.

walshb

willmunny1990 wrote: »

This is getting ridiculous, their is nothing to suggest Manny has the ability to beat Floyd. We have seen Manny struggle against Marquez 3 times and he probably should of lost twice to him.

Who has he beaten?

1. A dehydrated over the hill De La Hoya, who was way under weight.

2. A beaten down Ricky Hatton, who was clearly finished after the Mayweather fight.

3. Margarito, who is nothing more than a one dimensional punching bag.

4. An aged Shane Mosely who Floyd had already taken care of.

Manny is way over-hyped by people and if anyone goes against the grain they get called a "fan boy" which is nonsense. People are letting their hatred for Floyd cloud their common sense and judgement, truth is this will be an easy fight for Floyd.

I don't hate Floyd, so explain that one?

Also: Why is Floyd reluctant to take the match? The drugs issue came from nowhere? Like I said, if Floyd had your confidence of victory then no amount of drugs would stop him from making al those millions, would it?

And, for either side to be so certain of victory baffles me. Conversely, if one side is so certain, that is ok, they obvioulsy don't see the talent and skill and possible trouble that the other opponent offers.

My view: This fight goes three ways. A close win for Manny, close win for Floyd, or dominant win for Floyd. Note I do not include a dominant win for Manny, because I don't believe he could dominate Floyd.

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

The best fighters in the World in pretty much every weight class he's operated in. You've also left off what is probably Manny's greatest win, a domination of a prime Miguel Angel Cotto. Feeling that Floyd would take care of Manny is one thing, but questioning Manny's credentials is a different one altogether. If he isn't that good, and his resume isn't that good, then do you feel that boxing from 140-154 is exceptionally weak ?, and that Floyd has only dominated in a weak era ?

Or perhaps are there other fighters out there that you view as being Mayweather's biggest risk, not Khan anyway as you don't seem to think much of him either.

Where have you been, mate?

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Where have you been, mate?

Ah just busy doing a Masters in College, I still keep an eye on this and other boxing forums but don't post as much cause I just don't have the time.

phily2002

walshb wrote: »

I don't hate Floyd, so explain that one?

Also: Why is Floyd reluctant to take the match? The drugs issue came from nowhere? Like I said, if Floyd had your confidence of victory then no amount of drugs would stop him from making al those millions, would it?

And, for either side to be so certain of victory baffles me. Conversely, if one side is so certain, that is ok, they obvioulsy don't see the talent and skill and possible trouble that the other opponent offers.

My view: This fight goes three ways. A close win for Manny, close win for Floyd, or dominant win for Floyd. Note I do not include a dominant win for Manny, because I don't believe he could dominate Floyd.

in fairness manny started the messing by saying that floyd had to pay a million for every pound overweight he was. floyd came back and said fine if manny would take a blood test. then manny made alot of silly excuses for not taking it(afraid of needles but yet covered in tattoos...)
both these guys are equally responsible for the fight not happening. I still think Floyd would beat him.
Mannys a beast and against guys that come forward he destroys them. Against counterpunchers though he's not nearly as effective... I still think he has the best chance to beat Floyd but it would be by ko, but my money would be a points win for Floyd

colly10

Been said a million times but anyway..

phily2002 wrote: »

in fairness manny started the messing by saying that floyd had to pay a million for every pound overweight he was.

It was around the same time that Floyd turned up 2 lbs overweight and Manny had just moved to 144 so it was a fair demand.

phily2002 wrote: »

then manny made alot of silly excuses for not taking it(afraid of needles but yet covered in tattoos...)

Does not like having blood drawn does not mean the same thing as afraid of needles. He previously had blood drawn close to a fight and performed poorly and was said to be superstitious about it.

phily2002 wrote: »

both these guys are equally responsible for the fight not happening.

Manny agreed to blood testing a while ago when Floyd was nowhere to be seen, but Floyd didn't respond

phily2002 wrote: »

I still think Floyd would beat him.

Id fancy Floyd to beat him too, I wouldn't bet on it but I do think he would win

phily2002 wrote: »

Mannys a beast and against guys that come forward he destroys them. Against counterpunchers though he's not nearly as effective...

Floyd and Marquez are both counter punchers and Floyd is a far better boxer, there style is not the same though.
Personally I loved to fight aggressors but I hated fighting volume punching aggressors that walk through you with a high guard (similar to Margarito)
Counter puncher and aggressor are broad terms and sometimes things as simple as whether your opponent prefers to slip or pull back from punches could make the difference to whether you can land the shots or not.
I could be beaten by one guy with one style but it does not mean I won't beat a better guy with a similar style, some times you just find something in a fighter that suits or doesn't suit you, everyone's different.

I'd guess Floyd wins, but I wouldn't be certain

phily2002

colly10 wrote: »

Been said a million times but anyway..



It was around the same time that Floyd turned up 2 lbs overweight and Manny had just moved to 144 so it was a fair demand.

1 million for every pound overweight is not a fair demand. he was taking a dig at Floyd over the Marquez fight which is fair enough but it was also the reason Floyd came back with his demand and started all the messing. I was just replying to the post saying Floyd started the messing but really Pac got the first dig in...


Does not like having blood drawn does not mean the same thing as afraid of needles. He previously had blood drawn close to a fight and performed poorly and was said to be superstitious about it.

If he has agreed to it now though then this excuse doesn't add up. Manny should have agreed and got the fight on, both would have been tested so it would have been the same for both fighters...

Manny agreed to blood testing a while ago when Floyd was nowhere to be seen, but Floyd didn't respond

As above, also Floyd probably knew he was looking at jail time which unfortunately means it will never happen... also you'll hear Floyd saying there's a lot more going on so truthfully we'll never know the full story...


Id fancy Floyd to beat him too, I wouldn't bet on it but I do think he would win





Floyd and Marquez are both counter punchers and Floyd is a far better boxer, there style is not the same though.
Personally I loved to fight aggressors but I hated fighting volume punching aggressors that walk through you with a high guard (similar to Margarito)
Counter puncher and aggressor are broad terms and sometimes things as simple as whether your opponent prefers to slip or pull back from punches could make the difference to whether you can land the shots or not.
I could be beaten by one guy with one style but it does not mean I won't beat a better guy with a similar style, some times you just find something in a fighter that suits or doesn't suit you, everyone's different.

I'd guess Floyd wins, but I wouldn't be certain

yeah agree

Spazdarn

Floyd made accusations about Manny and drugs long before his demands for a specific type of drug testing.

I'd imagine him not agreeing right there and then was in part down to his superstition and down to the fact he didn't want to be a slave to Mayweather's demands. Manny was P4P at the time, (could be now) so he shouldn't have to bend over backwards for Mayweather.

Unlikely if Floyd was worried about jail time he'd have continued his silence every time Manny fought, but like clockwork Floyd was out talking about Manny about a week before each of his fights... though surprisingly when Manny was free to book a fight he was nowhere to be seen.

I also would favour Floyd in this fight but nowhere to the degree that you'd think he'd win.

colly10

phily2002 wrote: »

1 million for every pound overweight is not a fair demand. he was taking a dig at Floyd over the Marquez fight which is fair enough but it was also the reason Floyd came back with his demand and started all the messing. I was just replying to the post saying Floyd started the messing but really Pac got the first dig in...

If you just moved up 10 lbs and the guy you were thinking of fighting fights a further 3 lbs heavier and has a history of coming in well over weight your going to make sure that doesn't happen to you, your a top fighter in your own right so your going to make sure **** like this doesn't happen to you, thats fair enough, 12 lbs is alot in boxing and you'd make sure its no worse.

Floyd was also asking for the 60/40 split which his fans believed was fair at the time, just demands and excuses for them at the time.

phily2002 wrote: »

If he has agreed to it now though then this excuse doesn't add up. Manny should have agreed and got the fight on, both would have been tested so it would have been the same for both fighters...

Alot of time has passed and he would have been told many times it was all in his head, so i'd say he said **** it, i'll do what I need to do.
Superstition is a powerful thing in boxing in my mind, I remember knowing I had to wear red and having my trainer go mental at me cause I turned up to my corner in my blue gear, when he asked what the **** are you at I just told him I had good wins in that gear and didn't want to wear anything else.
I also did a good few club shows where we had to choose our a song to walk into to but I never chose one cause I felt that choosing one was bad luck and it just shows where your mind is mentally if you care about what you walk in to.
So I certainly understand not wanting blood drawn near a fight, I felt strongly about much simpler things, I wouldn't even fight with a groin guard, id just tell the ref I was wearing one.

phily2002 wrote: »

As above, also Floyd probably knew he was looking at jail time which unfortunately means it will never happen... also you'll hear Floyd saying there's a lot more going on so truthfully we'll never know the full story...

It was a while ago, he could have had the fight already or at the least you'd take the fight and see what happens, realistically the chap will only serve about 4 weeks anyway so it will make no difference to him