irish people criticizing irish americans

sandmanporto

I am pretty sick of this. I am American by birth, and I get pretty frustrated when Irish people tell irish americans they ARE AMERICAN NOT IRISH. I would admit to my scandinavian heritage before my irish! Peace all!

Dotrel

Peace Yank!

ItsAWindUp

Oh Danny boy...

Kiera

Bleedin plastic paddys!

The King of Moo

I thought Sandeman Porto was from Portugal.

earpiece

Huh?

PK2008

sandmanporto wrote: »

I am pretty sick of this. I am American by birth, and I get pretty frustrated when Irish people tell irish americans they ARE AMERICAN NOT IRISH. I would admit to my scandinavian heritage before my irish! Peace all!

Look at your comment, now back to mine. Now back at your comment now back to mine. Sadly it isn't mine, but if you stopped trolling and started posting legitimate comments it could look like mine. Look down, back up, where are you? You're scrolling through comments, writing the comment your comment could look like. What did you post? Back at mine, it's a reply saying something you want to hear. Look again the reply is now diamonds. Anything is possible when you think before you post

harrythehat

I'm a bit confused by the point of this post?

MagicMarker

sandmanporto wrote: »

I am American by birth

So you're American.

megaten

sandmanporto wrote: »

I am pretty sick of this. I am American by birth, and I get pretty frustrated when Irish people tell irish americans they ARE AMERICAN NOT IRISH. I would admit to my scandinavian heritage before my irish! Peace all!

But they are American.

mackg

cool story bro

woodoo

I happy to hear Americans identify themselves with their Irish roots.

I can't understand people who would object to it.

Where To

sandmanporto wrote: »

I am pretty sick of this. I am American by birth, and I get pretty frustrated when Irish people tell irish americans they ARE AMERICAN NOT IRISH. I would admit to my scandinavian heritage before my irish! Peace all!

QED

Kiera

You werent born here, so you're not Irish. That's like me saying i'm from Tipp cause my Mam is.... Stupidness!

AnamGlas

You're not Irish, you're American.

Your ancestry might have been Irish, but you're not. Simples!

Wertz

feckin' vikings...shouldn't you be out pillaging and burning instead of bitching on the net?

sandmanporto

Kiera wrote: »

You werent born here, so you're not Irish. That's like me saying i'm from Tipp cause my Mam is.... Stupidness!

so what you are saying is that if a child born to nigerians in ireland or the united states is irish or american?

tonycascarino

woodoo wrote: »

I happy to hear Americans identify themselves with their Irish roots.

I can't understand people who would object to it.

Same here. Don't understand why fellow Irish people feel threatened by it

KerranJast

sandmanporto wrote: »

so what you are saying is that if a child born to nigerians in ireland or the united states is irish or american?

Ow my brain. If you're not an Irish citizen you're not Irish. Pretty simple.

Sofaspud

sandmanporto wrote: »

so what you are saying is that if a child born to nigerians in ireland or the united states is irish or american?

I think it's more a matter of where they're raised. If you were raised in Ireland I'd consider you Irish. My problem is with people who say they're Irish when they've never set foot in the country.

Lemmewinks

PK2008 wrote: »

Look at your comment, now back to mine. Now back at your comment now back to mine. Sadly it isn't mine, but if you stopped trolling and started posting legitimate comments it could look like mine. Look down, back up, where are you? You're scrolling through comments, writing the comment your comment could look like. What did you post? Back at mine, it's a reply saying something you want to hear. Look again the reply is now diamonds. Anything is possible when you think before you post

Nice try.
http://youtu.be/owGykVbfgUE

RMD

sandmanporto wrote: »

I am pretty sick of this. I am American by birth, and I get pretty frustrated when Irish people tell irish americans they ARE AMERICAN NOT IRISH. I would admit to my scandinavian heritage before my irish! Peace all!

I want you to go to the location where you store your passport. Now I want you to take it out and view it, what is it? It's an American passport. Is it an Irish passport? No, it's an American passport. You're an American with Irish ancestry, that is all.

I have no problem with Americans acknowledging their Irish heritage, but the Americans who insist they're Irish and pretend they know Irish culture or Ireland itself, well that gets pretty bloody irritating quickly.

sandmanporto

KerranJast wrote: »

Ow my brain. If you're not an Irish citizen you're not Irish. Pretty simple.

well how come ireland have a policy that if you can prove irish ancestry you are entitled to an irish passport? you have to elaborate on you're point

foxinsox

sandmanporto wrote: »

so what you are saying is that if a child born to nigerians in ireland or the united states is irish or american?

If you were born in Ireland you are Irish!

If you were born in USA you are American!

If you were born in Nigeria you are Nigerian!

If I was to go by the American/Irish theory then I'm most likely Irish/Scottish/English/Viking.. or to go back even further surely I'm Irish/African because I remember seeing something about where the "original" people came from and it seems that they tracked/walked up from what we now know as Africa, before the continents separated.

Diceicle

sandmanporto wrote: »

I am pretty sick of this.

Nobody cares, and you are American.

woodoo

Kiera wrote: »

You werent born here, so you're not Irish. That's like me saying i'm from Tipp cause my Mam is.... Stupidness!

Tipp doesn't have a culture and an identity like Ireland and Irish do. You don't grow up in Dublin with your Tipp roots and culture at the core.

DarkJager

sandmanporto wrote: »

KerranJast wrote: »

Ow my brain. If you're not an Irish citizen you're not Irish. Pretty simple.

well how come ireland have a policy that if you can prove irish ancestry you are entitled to an irish passport? you have to elaborate on you're point

Oh my god.....

For Forks Sake

sandmanporto wrote: »

I am pretty sick of this. I am American by birth, and I get pretty frustrated when Irish people tell irish americans they ARE AMERICAN NOT IRISH. I would admit to my scandinavian heritage before my irish! Peace all!

get you, Seamus Bjorn McDonalds.

woodoo

Sandmanporto you're in the wrong forum if you are looking for sensible debate BTW.

Lemmewinks

foxinsox wrote: »

If you were born in Ireland you are Irish!

If you were born in USA you are American!

If you were born in Nigeria you are Nigerian!

Solid theory there - no holes at all. Would stand up to any sample case or scrutiny.

If I was to go by the American/Irish theory then I'm most likely Irish/Scottish/English/Viking.. or to go back even further surely I'm Irish/African because I remember seeing something about where the "original" people came from and it seems that they tracked/walked up from what we now know as Africa, before the continents separated.

Man left Africa around 70,000 years ago.

Pangea existed around 250 million years ago.

You may have a slight discrepancy with the numbers there. 70,000 years ago, the continents were in almost the exact position they're in now. In fact, 13,000 years ago Ireland was covered in ice, so it was after that when man finally made it to northern Europe. But yeah; 250 million, or 13,000 years - all the same, eh?

Kiera

sandmanporto wrote: »

so what you are saying is that if a child born to nigerians in ireland or the united states is irish or american?

Erm? WUT?

woodoo wrote: »

Tipp doesn't have a culture and an identity like Ireland and Irish do. You don't grow up in Dublin with your Tipp roots and culture at the core.

*wush* that went over your head didnt it?

phasers

Deal With It.

woodoo

Kiera wrote: »

*wush* that went over your head didnt it?

No

foxinsox

Lemmewinks wrote: »

Solid theory there - no holes at all. Would stand up to any sample case or scrutiny.



Man left Africa around 70,000 years ago.

Pangea existed around 250 million years ago.

You may have a slight discrepancy with the numbers there. 70,000 years ago, the continents were in almost the exact position they're in now. In fact, 13,000 years ago Ireland was covered in ice, so it was after that when man finally made it to northern Europe. But yeah; 250 million, or 13,000 years - all the same, eh?

ok ok.. I didn't mention figures

I can't remember details, but I have a vague recollection of seeing a documentary showing a red line highlighting where people migrated from the continent of Africa.. maybe it meant they made it to Northern Europe etc. I didn't necessarily mean they walked to Ireland, or into town

I should have taken more time researching facts before posting, but hey it's late. so apologies to anyone I have upset by vaguely suggesting that man walked from Africa to Ireland..

Anyways, ye get the jist of what I'm saying..

* sulks off back to kitchen *

Lemmewinks

foxinsox wrote: »

ok ok.. I didn't mention figures

I can't remember details, but I have a vague recollection of seeing a documentary showing a red line highlighting where people migrated from the continent of Africa.. maybe it meant they made it to Northern Europe etc. I didn't necessarily mean they walked to Ireland, or into town

I should have taken more time researching facts before posting, but hey it's late. so apologies to anyone I have upset by vaguely suggesting that man walked from Africa to Ireland..

Anyways, ye get the jist of what I'm saying..

* sulks off back to kitchen *

This is a good animation of it:

http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/

It even shows the ice receding, etc.

blahfckingblah

another melodramatic american

GhostInTheRuins

RMD wrote: »

I want you to go to the location where you store your passport. Now I want you to take it out and view it, what is it? It's an American passport. Is it an Irish passport? No, it's an American passport. You're an American with Irish ancestry, that is all.

I have no problem with Americans acknowledging their Irish heritage, but the Americans who insist they're Irish and pretend they know Irish culture or Ireland itself, well that gets pretty bloody irritating quickly.

Fairly sad if you define yourself by what a piece of governmental paper says.

Other than that I agree with ya.

Overheal

How isn't he Irish? You folks seem to be thinking of Ireland the Nationality, not Irish the race of people. You are a Race aren't you? I was pretty sure. Last I checked. Otherwise African Americans are just taking the piss right?

twistyj

woodoo wrote: »

Tipp doesn't have a culture and an identity like Ireland and Irish do. You don't grow up in Dublin with your Tipp roots and culture at the core.

read that back to yourself. it dosnt mean anything.

phasers

Sure isn't race just black white and yellow

Wibbs

Yep and the "original people" mixed with locals along the way, so Europeans and west Asians have Neandertal blood in the mix and east Asian folks have even more archaic human blood in them. It starts to get terribly confusing and we're barely beginning to scratch the surface. So to claim any definitive ancestry gets even more confusing and a tad daft.

EdenHazard

irish cant relate to this because they dont no what a multicultaral society is. im born in america to irish parents...im irish and american..lived in ireland since 6

A Primal Nut

MagicMarker wrote: »

So you're American.

Kiera wrote: »

You werent born here, so you're not Irish. That's like me saying i'm from Tipp cause my Mam is.... Stupidness!

So if Irish parents go on holiday who gave birth to a child while in America, then return to Ireland where the child grew up, that child is American?

That is rediculous.

If two Nigerian parents give birth to a child in Ireland, I suppose that child has no right to be called Nigerian and is instead 100% Irish, by your analysis?

I like it when Americans consider themselves proud of their Irishness a lot more than other Nationalities! Makes me proud to be Irish.

SugarCoat

sandmanporto you're irish.we should all be happy with the fact that people are proud to identify as irish and not start splitting hairs.I heard of lots of people who have come back to ireland to live once again after their previous relatives left and i think that's great.

mrsdewinter

You regard yourself as American. Irish people regard you as American.
Where's the problem?

sandmanporto

Kiera wrote: »

Erm? WUT?


*wush* that went over your head didnt it?

ERM ???
WUT??

fonecrusher1

sandmanporto wrote: »

I am pretty sick of this. I am American by birth, and I get pretty frustrated when Irish people tell irish americans they ARE AMERICAN NOT IRISH. I would admit to my scandinavian heritage before my irish! Peace all!

Eh??? Irish? American? does it really matter?

Sick of people having a go at americans. Leave em alone.

Kiera

A Primal Nut wrote: »

So if Irish parents go on holiday who gave birth to a child while in America, then return to Ireland where the child grew up, that child is American?

That is rediculous.

If two Nigerian parents give birth to a child in Ireland, I suppose that child has no right to be called Nigerian, by your analysis?

I like it when Americans consider themselves proud of their Irishness a lot more than other Nationalities! Makes me proud to be Irish.

I dont think you're allowed fly when that heavily pregnant :P

woodoo

twistyj wrote: »

read that back to yourself. it dosnt mean anything.

There is no Tipp culture. Its hardly something you identify with if you grow up in Dublin like she did. Its just not the same as identifying with a nationality.

Kiera

sandmanporto wrote: »

ERM ???
WUT??

See! You dont even speak the language :P

Wibbs

Overheal wrote: »

How isn't he Irish? You folks seem to be thinking of Ireland the Nationality, not Irish the race of people. You are a Race aren't you? I was pretty sure. Last I checked. Otherwise African Americans are just taking the piss right?

Well.... OH "race" is a bit of a vague and slightly daft premise. Genetic populations have a little more weight, but again it's confusing. EG "Africans" encompass the largest genetic diversity on earth. Even so as a species we're very very very interrelated. One group of chimps separated by a mile of forest can be less related than all humans on earth are.