Going to Mass on December 25th?

flutterflye

Eramen wrote: »

Sorry I hurt your feelings, but feelings are a subjective also, are they not ?

Your 'question' was insulting, I actually thought it wasn't serious because it contained no real argument. I reckoned it was just the usual semi-senile, smirking kind of questioning of those with long-standing chips on their shoulder.

But hey, enjoy Christmas, whether you be religious or not!

What makes you think you hurt my feelings??
Well let me clear that up - you didn't!

My question wasn't a question as such.
To question something does not necessarily mean there has to be a question.

And no, it was not insulting in any way, shape, or form.
What exactly was insulting??

Yes feelings are all subjective.
I was pointing out that your views are subjective, therefore others may be liable to question or disagree with them.

And you honestly believe yourself to be intelligent???
Seriously??

fishy fishy

yutta wrote: »

Yes it is. Extramarital sex, divorce and masturbation are specifically mentioned as being grave sins. I would gather that molesting an altar boy would be obviously higher up the spectrum than any of these sins.

I know a girl who had an affair with a married man and she was ordered to say a prayer every day for 365 days as part of her penance. And she did it without hesitation. Hell is not a nice place. Nor is purgatory for that matter - and I want to minimise the amount of time I spend there cleansing my soul.

is that before you go and sit on a puffy cloud eating philadelphia cheese - how boring. Would ya not prefer a bit of hell - the conversations would be riveting to say the least.

chin_grin

yutta wrote: »

I know a girl who had an affair with a married man and she was ordered to say a prayer every day for 365 days as part of her penance. And she did it without hesitation. Hell is not a nice place. Nor is purgatory for that matter - and I want to minimise the amount of time I spend there cleansing my soul.

That's if you believe in this crap in the first place. See as being Irish and ruled by the church we're brought up that it's the centre of all activity when in reality it's not.

At a very young age you are essentially brainwashed in to this god\devil heaven\hell boll*cks when you can't say no and don't have any other viewpoints. It's a mental form of child abuse, other than the physical form that some who are "men of the cloth" have committed.

krudler

yutta wrote: »

Yes it is. Extramarital sex, divorce and masturbation are specifically mentioned as being grave sins. I would gather that molesting an altar boy would be obviously higher up the spectrum than any of these sins.

I know a girl who had an affair with a married man and she was ordered to say a prayer every day for 365 days as part of her penance. And she did it without hesitation. Hell is not a nice place. Nor is purgatory for that matter - and I want to minimise the amount of time I spend there cleansing my soul.

what are you basing this on? oh yeah, that book written in the bronze age.

Benny_Cake

yutta wrote: »

To appease the parents/grandparents? Cos it makes you feel good inside? To celebrate the birth of Jesus? To pray for the repose of the souls of your family/friends? Cos you just go every year? Cos Christmas wouldn't be the same without Mass? To celebrate the Holy Sacrafice of the Mass?

From the replies to this OP sofar, I'd love to see the bishops issue a letter to be read out on Christmas day to the a la carte congregation that highlights the hypocrisy of The flock and their utter disregard for going to Mass every Sunday and on Holy Days of Obligation. Remember, it's a mortal sin not to go to Mass!!!

A person might have many reason for attending Mass on Christmas Day.Family tradition etc...sometimes even non-religious people might enjoy attending the service.Maybe you should get off your judgemental high horse and suggest that the bishops do a little to win back Catholics who no longer attend,rather than tell them they're going to hell.That would be something constructive however which your post certainly isn't,and I'd question what sort of response you expected in After Hours!

dilbert2

Eramen wrote: »

Especially at a time where people espouse the common "ME! ME! ME!" attitude and couldn't give a toss about anyone but themselves. This whole thread smacks of the selfish nature of modern Irish.. but really, its hard to find this kind of idiocy, this contemptuous slandering in other parts of Europe/the world on this low level. Backwardness in a nutshell. Christmas in conjunction with our culture still has some part to play at least in bringing us closer together as a family, community and nation, and this is no small feat for an increasingly atomised, fake - individualistic society.

You do realise that by going to mass (on Christmas Day or otherwise), that you are attending a ceremony within the property of an institution that is one of the richest organisations in the world, with staggering wealth, including millions (if not billions) euros worth of collection in Art, and is one of the largest landowners on the planet. The pope lives in the lap of luxury in a palace called the Vatican. And not to forget that the Vatican Bank is one of the wealthiest banking organisations on the planet.

So by attending a Catholic mass you are striking a blow to materialism? Seriously? Then again it would be so much better if we were all back as poverty stricken peasants with little or nothing in terms of possessions or creature comforts, but devotedly religious, all the while the church and its members lived in the lap of luxury wouldn't it?.

smokingman

I'd love to see the bishops issue a letter to be read out on Christmas day to the a la carte congregation that highlights the hypocrisy of not believing that the unicorns in the bible are real! Bloody a la cartes eh?!

Orando Broom

yutta wrote: »

There's a Holy Sacrafice at every Mass. Every Mass re-enacts Calgary -- the most powerful prayer ever to come up from this earth.

Where do you stand onthe Calgary Flames? Blaspheming devil-men or also ran hockey team?

yutta

Benny_Cake wrote: »

A person might have many reason for attending Mass on Christmas Day.Family tradition etc...sometimes even non-religious people might enjoy attending the service.Maybe you should get off your judgemental high horse and suggest that the bishops do a little to win back Catholics who no longer attend,rather than tell them they're going to hell.That would be something constructive however which your post certainly isn't,and I'd question what sort of response you expected in After Hours!

People need to be reminded that hell is real and hell exists. Christmas day is the perfect opportunity to separate the wheat from the chaff. I favour a smaller, truer church that is conducive to growth. The a la carte monstorsity we have at the moment is doomed to failure. Already there's plans to cut the number of bishops/dioceses from 26 down to ten - a step in the right direction. Of course this is all just my humble opinion and I respect all the bishops and their decisions.

yutta

Orando Broom wrote: »

Where do you stand onthe Calgary Flames? Blaspheming devil-men or also ran hockey team?

I meant Calvary (as in mount Calvary), not "Calgary" (as in Canadian city).

Benny_Cake

yutta wrote: »

People need to be reminded that hell is real and hell exists. Christmas day is the perfect opportunity to separate the wheat from the chaff. I favour a smaller, truer church that is conducive to growth. The a la carte monstorsity we have at the moment is doomed to failure. Already there's plans to cut the number of bishops/dioceses from 26 down to ten - a step in the right direction. Of course this is all just my humble opinion and I respect all the bishops and their decisions.

You want a much smaller Catholic Church in this country?I don't see why you're complaining so because that is exactly what is happening.

yutta

yutta wrote: »

People need to be reminded that hell is real and hell exists.

No, you believe hell is real and you believe hell exists.

Eramen

passarellaie wrote: »

Fine but let those who dont be respectful of others.The juveniles here who boast about their irreligion is quite pathetic

But how else are they meant to 'positively contribute' to good society and indeed to this thread? (which has nothing to do with them in all fairness, why the hell would they consider going to mass?!).

Most 'atheists' as they call themselves (they are not in fact, they are anti-theists using the legitimate position of atheism as a cover) don't want to work together with others in the least, in fact they demand a consensus reality from their members/sub-culture/world-view just as much as any Christian/Muslim etc church. If you don't conform to their reality they attack you.

They are a damn cult, and you can see this by their unreasoned hatred and attack methods. Whereas, admittedly, many European Christians have become accepting of other peoples different views, these idiots are ever more vengeful and intolerant of others. They have nothing in common with the atheists of the past due to their acceptance of certain ideologies, as rightly pointed out by Richard Dawkins.

They are fish that don't know they are wet. Cultists.

yutta

bluewolf wrote: »

No, you believe hell is real and you believe hell exists.

Belief and Truth are not opinions.

Snakeblood

yutta wrote: »

Belief and Truth are not opinions.

Truth isn't an opinion. Belief most certainly is.

yutta

Here's a fine example of a la carte catholicism in Ireland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaGj1rJdPKo

Eramen

dilbert2 wrote: »

You do realise that by going to mass (on Christmas Day or otherwise), that you are attending a ceremony within the property of an institution that is one of the richest organisations in the world, with staggering wealth, including millions (if not billions) euros worth of collection in Art, and is one of the largest landowners on the planet. The pope lives in the lap of luxury in a palace called the Vatican. And not to forget that the Vatican Bank is one of the wealthiest banking organisations on the planet.

So by attending a Catholic mass you are striking a blow to materialism? Seriously? Then again it would be so much better if we were all back as poverty stricken peasants with little or nothing in terms of possessions or creature comforts, but devotedly religious, all the while the church and its members lived in the lap of luxury wouldn't it?.

When did I defend Churchianity? I didn't and I accept much of your argument. I'm talking about communal-locialism, shared interest, and values here. Read carefully.

Find some place else to blather on about the church, and they are not the only institution in history to do it, research.. Then apply what you know to modern society. The same evil exists in other places too.

Benny_Cake

yutta wrote: »

Here's a fine example of a la carte catholicism in Ireland:

Ah,Michael Voris - does he still support replacing democracy with a theocratic dictatorship?

chin_grin

yutta wrote: »

Here's a fine example of a la carte catholicism in Ireland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaGj1rJdPKo

Yeah, I've watched this when it was posted in the Atheism forum and it comes to the conclusion that people only go to mass to appease their parents to keep the peace and probably to stay in the wills.

It's such a chicken-sh!t attitude that we can't just say 'No. I'm going to do my own thing and not follow a corrupt regime that shouldn't be outside the law!'. The day I see a world without religion, is the day we'll all truly be happy.

Religion breeds fear and hatred for any differing one. Just look at the blood being shed in "gods name". It's rediculous.

Ghost Buster

Eramen wrote: »

But how else are they meant to 'positively contribute' to good society and indeed to this thread? (which has nothing to do with them in all fairness, why the hell would they consider going to mass?!).

Most 'atheists' as they call themselves (they are not in fact, they are anti-theists using the legitimate position of atheism as a cover) don't want to work together with others in the least, in fact they demand a consensus reality from their members/sub-culture/world-view just as much as any Christian/Muslim etc church. If you don't conform to their reality they attack you.

They are a damn cult, and you can see this by their unreasoned hatred and attack methods. Whereas, admittedly, many European Christians have become accepting of other peoples different views, these idiots:eek: are ever more vengeful and intolerant of others. They have nothing in common with the atheists of the past due to their acceptance of certain ideologies, as rightly pointed out by Richard Dawkins.

They are fish that don't know they are wet. Cultists.

Can you see the irony in the fact that you are generalising, being personally abusive and assuming that opinions on boards translate to being mirrored in the real world in a post claiming such activity in others.
PS I reported your personal abuse. I dont appreciate being labeled an idiot in your wide brush stroke.

flo8s967qjh0nd

A few points from reading this thread;

By and large, it makes little sense to go to mass at any time of the year, even Christmas, if you don't believe in what you are doing. On the other hand, the church is open enough and big enough to realise that some people move away or leave the church completely, but they are still welcome to pop into mass now and then. There isn't some big book where your name gets ticked off every sunday.

I really resent the tone of some posts on here that would suggest that people who go to mass are mindlessly following the herd and aren't intelligent enough to realise it's all a 'sham'. Some of the most religious people I know are also the most intelligent (some are pretty dumb, don't get me wrong), but they have made informed, intelligent decisions on how to live their life and what to believe. Proclaiming that atheism is the only intelligent way to live your life is pretty condescending and insulting to an awful lot of people of all faiths in this country.

Finally, lots of people here telling us how they don't go to mass anymore besides being raised a Christian. Truthfully, I'm always delighted when people make informed decisions about their faith and if that means moving away from established churches then I wish you all the best with it. But don't start painting yourselves like martyrs - "I stood up to my mum and grandparents by not going to christmas mass" ....oooooh you're so brave!!

Tolerance cuts both ways and that includes being tolerant of people who choose to attend mass or any other religious ceremony all year round. And even those who just pop in at christmas.

Happy Christmas!

dilbert2

yutta wrote: »

Yes it is. Extramarital sex, divorce and masturbation are specifically mentioned as being grave sins. I would gather that molesting an altar boy would be obviously higher up the spectrum than any of these sins.

Animals, humans included have been having sex for hundreds of millions of years over the course of evolution. The desire to mate, or have sex is a natural response to evolutionary as well as neurological impluses in the brain. Not only is the institution of marriage an artificial and legalistic construct, it is completely unnatural when one considers (particulary for men) that we desire many partners throughout our lives. Perhaps the divorce rates are just an indicator that some (such as the Church) can attempt to encourage the relatively recent (with an evolutionary time frame) institution of marriage all they want, but that it is against our very evolutionary dna to stick to one partner for life.

I know a girl who had an affair with a married man and she was ordered to say a prayer every day for 365 days as part of her penance.

lol

Hell is not a nice place.

Nobody ever said Limerick was a nice place did they?

and I want to minimise the amount of time I spend there cleansing my soul.

The brain is a slab of meat with electrical signals running through it, get over it.

yutta

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Can you see the irony in the fact that you are generalising, being personally abusive and assuming that opinions on boards translate to being mirrored in the real world in a post claiming such activity in others.
PS I reported your personal abuse. I dont appreciate being labeled an idiot in your wide brush stroke.

See what happens when the anti-theists get a taste of their own medicine? lol.

Come on now, you must have made references to flying spaghetti monsters at some point in your boards.ie career?

Wattle

I think to some people Jesus is like a mate they meet once a year for a drink. The other 51 weeks of the year they don't bother with him.

I used to get a right chuckle out of midnight mass from the people who'd arrive late and half pissed. The church would be full by that stage so they were stuck standing outside in the freezing cold, craning their necks trying to get a sense of what's going on. And then they go and leave when communion comes around

Ghost Buster

yutta wrote: »

See what happens when the anti-theists get a taste of their own medicine? lol.

Come on now, you must have made references to flying spaghetti monsters at some point in your boards.ie career?

Nope. Neither have I been abusive or generalised all catholics as idiots. Unlike a certain good Christian on here.
Care to explain how any reference to The FSM is the same as broadly calling all atheists idiots and cultists exactly.
Take personal abuse up with the individual posters rather than flexing your pursecution complex and reciprocating in kind to a whole section of posters.

stimpson

Eramen wrote: »

They are a damn cult,

"God, Ted, I heard about those cults. Everyone dressing in black and saying our Lord's gonna come back and judge us all!" - Fr Dougal Maguire

dilbert2

yutta wrote: »

See what happens when the anti-theists get a taste of their own medicine? lol.

Come on now, you must have made references to flying spaghetti monsters at some point in your boards.ie career?

Is the flying spaghetti monster any less believable than believing that a wafer made in a bakery somewhere has supernatural properties?

Eramen

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Can you see the irony in the fact that you are generalising, being personally abusive and assuming that opinions on boards translate to being mirrored in the real world in a post claiming such activity in others.
PS I reported your personal abuse. I dont appreciate being labeled an idiot in your wide brush stroke.

Hang on a second, did you ever stop to wonder how some of our religious friends feel every single day here on AH reading and re-reading the lowest of the low abuse directed at them from a few hateful posters? I mean its atrocious and is the highest abuse.

I really do feel embarrassed when I read comments from a minority of irreligious people (of course irreligious folks are fine and are decent people), consistently attacking other people who are doing no wrong to others. They give all atheists and others a bad name. Can't you see this? Ignorant fanaticism should not be tolerated and it's a sad thing that the atheist community is now increasingly infected with it.

Let me correct you: my comment was directed no one specially and I'm sorry you could not think of a rebuttal. This is the world, people differ slightly in some ways, especially in the terms we are talking about, we have to equip ourselves to deal with it and stop needlessly playing the victim. Good luck.

Ghost Buster

Eramen wrote: »

Hang on a second, did you ever stop to wonder how some of our religious friends feel every single day here on AH reading and re-reading the lowest of the low abuse directed at them from a few hateful posters? I mean its atrocious and is the highest abuse.

I really do feel embarrassed when I read comments from a minority of irreligious people (of course irreligious folks are fine and are decent people), consistently attacking other people who are doing no wrong to others. They give all atheists and others a bad name. Can't you see this? Ignorant fanaticism should not be tolerated and it's a sad thing that the atheist community is now increasingly infected with it.

Let me correct you: my comment was directed no one specially and I'm sorry you could not think of a rebuttal. This is the world, people differ slightly in some ways, especially in the terms we are talking about, we have to equip ourselves to deal with it and stop needlessly playing the victim. Good luck.

If i made no rebuttal as you claim then why have you attempted a climb down and changed your tune. You have changed words like 'most' and 'the majority' to 'a few' and 'a minority'.
The report still stands.
Boards is not the real world. people bravely post all sorts of crap on here. Dont read it if it offends OR take it up on a one to one basis rather than calling entire groups idiots,

Eramen

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Changed your tune. Thanks.
the report still stands.
Boards is not the real world. people bravely post all sorts of crap on here. Dont read it if it offends OR take it up on a one to one basis rather than calling entire groups idiots,

Sorry mate, but you need to open your eyes. You are not a victim, drop the pretence.

Yes, boards is not the real world.. found that out a long time ago, vampiric keyboard warriors are afraid of the sunlight

dilbert2

yutta wrote: »

Here's a fine example of a la carte catholicism in Ireland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaGj1rJdPKo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSEKnsWcK9I

aaronjumper

yutta wrote: »

To appease the parents/grandparents? Cos it makes you feel good inside? To celebrate the birth of Jesus? To pray for the repose of the souls of your family/friends? Cos you just go every year? Cos Christmas wouldn't be the same without Mass? To celebrate the Holy Sacrafice of the Mass?

Remember, it's a mortal sin not to go to Mass!!!

Well I doubt not going to mass will be the sin I get in trouble for.

To answer your question no. The only time I am in a church is
for weddings, funerals, communions and confirmations.

Ghost Buster

Eramen wrote: »

Sorry mate, but you need to open your eyes. You are not a victim, drop the pretence.

Yes, boards is not the real world.. found that out a long time ago, vampiric keyboard warriors are afraid of the sunlight

Dont 'mate' me please. You are the one claiming victimisation from atheists whom you labeled as idiots. My only issue is with you specifically and i am addressing you specifically rather than attacking an entire group. There is no pretence. You stated that a majority of atheists are idiots. Your post is there for all to see.
I have no idea what the second part of your post means. Is it refering to you?

John Doe1

Naw im heading out to a kwanza party, black power

Ghost Buster

Eramen wrote: »

If you really felt like people where being attacked unfairly and there was one too many gross generalisations you would have intervened and told your fellows to stop attacking religious people needlessly in the most base ways possible many times on just on this thread, but you haven't. Why the double standard? Why act like you are really interested?

You only seem to get upset when the shoe is on the other foot, when it happens to you. Are you for real..

They are not my fellows. WE dont meet up once a week or anything!. Some attack religious people. I discuss and debate religion on relevant threads. I also discuss other topics on other threads. It is not my place to chastise, judge or take others to task for their posts unless they pertain to me. Report these 'base' posts if they are such. This i have done.

Why act as if i am interested??? In what????? In this thread where i am posting a lot?...out of disinterest?

dilbert2

Eramen wrote: »

Sorry mate, but you need to open your eyes. You are not a victim, drop the pretence.

Yes, boards is not the real world.. found that out a long time ago, vampiric keyboard warriors are afraid of the sunlight

Keyboard warriors? I'd gladly tell any priest or Christian fundamentalist where they can shove their religion to their faces.

As for your accusations of "cultism" against atheism, well that is just too ironic. Atheism is not a cult, it's not a religion, it's simply the rejection of a cult otherwise known as religion. Most atheists don't try and extract money from people, or tell them that they can't eat this, or they can't have sex with.....or they can't do that etc. etc. Atheists are also willing to stand up for their personal beliefs which is something Christians or the church don't like, because our opinions conflict with theirs, hence all the whinging about supposed "religious bashing", or another favourite whinge on after hours "oh look another religious thread".

Most atheists, myself included believe in freeing the mind from superstitious, man-made nonsense and accept that we are only humans and animals, which most religions don't, with their stupid demands regarding their believers.

Atheism is an individual thing, and is not an organised system. Christians have a hard time understanding this given the cultish, hierarchical nature of their organisation, and hence seem to assume that anybody opposing them operates along a similar cult-like system as theirs.

On a final note, I think atheism is one of the most important things to ever happen to me. Why, because it frees the mind from all the primitive, fear-mongering superstitions that still hold so many captives. Oh and by the way, Christians and the church have a horrible record of persecuting, killing and torturing those who dared opposed them, atheists have never done this in the name of atheism. Why would they, atheism is simply a rejection of a religion, not a religion.

yutta

dilbert2 wrote: »

Keyboard warriors? I'd gladly tell any priest or Christian fundamentalist where they can shove their religion to their faces.

As for your accusations of "cultism" against atheism, well that is just too ironic. Atheism is not a cult, it's not a religion, it's simply the rejection of a cult otherwise known as religion. Most atheists don't try and extract money from people, or tell them that they can't eat this, or they can't have sex with.....or they can't do that etc. etc. Atheists are also willing to stand up for their beliefs which is something Christians or the church don't like, because our opinions conflict with theirs, hence all the whinging about supposed "religious bashing", or another favourite whinge on after hours "oh look another religious thread".

Most atheists, myself included believe in freeing the mind from superstitious, man-made nonsense and accept that they we are only humans and animals, which most religions don't, with their stupid demands regarding their believers.

Atheism is an individual thing, and is not an organised system. Christians have a hard time understanding this given the cultish, hierarchical nature of their organisation, and hence seem to assume that anybody opposing them operates along a similar cult-like system as theirs.

On a final note, I think atheism is one of the most important things to ever happen to me? Why, because it frees the mind from all the primitive, fear-mongering superstitions that still hold so many captives. Oh and by the way, Christians and the church have a horrible record of persecuting, killing and torturing those who dared opposed them, atheists have never done this in the name of atheism. Why would they, atheism is simply a rejection of a religion, not a religion.

AA forum is thataway

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Looking forward to not seeing you at Christmas Mass.

yutta

Ghost Buster wrote: »

They are not my fellows. WE dont meet up once a week or anything!. Some attack religious people. I discuss and debate religion on relevant threads. I also discuss other topics on other threads. It is not my place to chastise, judge or take others to task for their posts unless they pertain to me. Report these 'base' posts if they are such. This i have done.

Why act as if i am interested??? In what????? In this thread where i am posting a lot?...out of disinterest?

Really? http://firstchurchofatheism.com/

You meet up quite regularly on various internet fora ridiculing Christians and believers of all sorts. For some reason though, you go easy on the Jews.

Atheism is a belief system and bears all the hallmarks of religion. Science is atheism's deity.

Flincher

My parents are still practising Catholics, so they go every Sunday and of course of Christmas Eve.

I also go on Christmas Eve because we go to my uncle's straight after mass for a few drinks, so if I didn't go to mass I'd have to drive to my uncles, and I wouldn't be able to drink.

flutterflye

yutta wrote: »

Really? http://firstchurchofatheism.com/

You meet up quite regularly on various internet fora ridiculing Christians and believers of all sorts. For some reason though, you go easy on the Jews.

Atheism is a belief system and bears all the hallmarks of religion. Science is atheism's deity.

Bahahahahahahahaha!!!!

Really scraping the barrel for arguments these days!
What a load of balls.

dilbert2

yutta wrote: »

AA forum is thataway

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Christianity forum is that way

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Looking forward to not seeing you at Christmas Mass.

You probably wouldn't want me there with you anyway, you wouldn't hear anything with all the snoring.

Ghost Buster

yutta wrote: »

AA forum is thataway

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Looking forward to not seeing you at Christmas Mass.

But you started this thread????????

citizen_p

I'll be going to my local "midnight mass" ,which is actully at 8pm on christmas eve... :rolleyes:

its the only mass i actully go to besides funeral anniversaries, and the only reason i go is for the christmas ev session in the local after which goes on to the early hours of christmas morning....

Ghost Buster

yutta wrote: »

Really? http://firstchurchofatheism.com/

You meet up quite regularly on various internet fora ridiculing Christians and believers of all sorts. For some reason though, you go easy on the Jews.

Atheism is a belief system and bears all the hallmarks of religion. Science is atheism's deity.

Have you seen the thread where a majority of atheists think that "Church" is dumb? Check it out.
Typing on a website is not 'meeting up' and ridiculing Christianity is not the same as ridiculing Christians any more than saying smoking is dumb is the same as saying smokers are dumb.
They rest of your post is bollix. You know it. We all know know it.
But beguile me. What do i believe in in my belief system seeing as my grasp of science ends at the leaving cert and Star Trek. My deity is rather crap if thats the case.

chin_grin

Flincher wrote: »

My parents are still practising Catholics, so they go every Sunday and of course of Christmas Eve.

I also go on Christmas Eve because we go to my uncle's straight after mass for a few drinks, so if I didn't go to mass I'd have to drive to my uncles, and I wouldn't be able to drink.

Now there's a valid excuse. Drink! :pac:

Could you not just meet them after the mass is over and head with them then?

yutta

*waits for some confusing remark about stamp collecting*

aaronjumper

yutta wrote: »

*waits for some confusing remark about stamp collecting*

Those damn stamps with their plans and schemes!

krudler

yutta wrote: »

*waits for some confusing remark about stamp collecting*

stamp collecting is a mortal sin, thats a fact.

oh no wait, thats nonsense, just like that bronze age tome thats still somehow seen as revelvant in 2011. you wearing polyester? one way ticket to hell for you so.

chin_grin

Ghost Buster wrote: »

But beguile me. What do i believe in in my belief system seeing as my grasp of science ends at the leaving cert and Star Trek. My deity is rather crap if thats the case.

Um. Science has a lot to do with your daily life. It doesn't "end" suddenly at the Leaving Cert and Star Trek (which is science fiction). :pac:

yutta wrote: »

*waits for some confusing remark about stamp collecting*

Um. You're generalising Atheists as nerds (I'm Agnostic myself).

dilbert2

Thought I'd add this, reminds me of so much anti-atheist nonsense here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZuowNcuGsc