Cheltenham Ante Post Pick

mallachyrivers

UrbanSea wrote: »

The hurdle race at Kelso today usually throws up a nice horse for Cheltenham.

I see Binocular has swerved the race today, but he is running in a beginners' chase at Clonmel tomorrow. An interesting move

Thats the other Binocular!!!

UrbanSea

mallachyrivers wrote: »

Thats the other Binocular!!!

Don't be ridiculous, there can only be one Binocular

premierstone

UrbanSea wrote: »

The hurdle race at Kelso today usually throws up a nice horse for Cheltenham.

I see Binocular has swerved the race today, but he is running in a beginners' chase at Clonmel tomorrow. An interesting move

He has always had the look of a chaser about him alright Urban, that Henderson lad hasnt a clue, slightly suprised they moved him to Pat Flynn though, Mullins musnt have had room

UrbanSea

mallachyrivers wrote: »

Sizing Europe
West Brit
Big Bucks
Master Minded
Kauto Star
Quevega
Hurricane Fly
Garde Champetre

$100 on the accum @ 140/1!:cool:

Master Minded won't even be going to Cheltenham,he'll be lucky to race again. Did you place the bet?

UrbanSea

premierstone wrote: »

He has always had the look of a chaser about him alright Urban, that Henderson lad hasnt a clue, slightly suprised they moved him to Pat Flynn though, Mullins musnt have had room

I was wondering about that. He looks like he'll be tasty odds too

mallachyrivers

UrbanSea wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous, there can only be one Binocular

No there can! there is two, one of them has his good days and the other doesn't!

UrbanSea

mallachyrivers wrote: »

No there can! there is two, one of them has his good days and the other doesn't!

I was pulling your leg :cool:

El Ninotorres

mallachyrivers wrote: »

Sizing Europe
West Brit
Big Bucks
Master Minded
Kauto Star
Quevega
Hurricane Fly
Garde Champetre

$100 on the accum @ 140/1!:cool:

Best of luck with Master Minded

mccarte2

mallachyrivers wrote: »

Sizing Europe
West Brit
Big Bucks
Master Minded
Kauto Star
Quevega
Hurricane Fly
Garde Champetre

$100 on the accum @ 140/1!:cool:

I'll lay you 250/1 on that bet. Max stake $1,000.

mccarte2

Anyway, back on topic. Last Installment won't be going in the RSA now due to a leg injury picked up on Sunday. Will shake the market up slightly.

RichieLawlor

Last Installment out of Cheltenham.

Colonel Sanders is obv the blight in horses

Colonel Sanders

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Last Installment out of Cheltenham.

Colonel Sanders is obv the blight in horses

Dear god..... I was waiting for NRNB to back it because of the ground worries

Doesn't sound serious so hopefully he'll be back next season. Interesting to read Geraghty say he thought he was finally a potential gold cup horse from an Irish yard after a bit of a barren spell since War Of Attrition

Slattsy

First Lieutenant for me now.

Hoping Morris has given him some extensive schooling. Must have a great chance as I'm not buying into the Grand Crus hype.

RichieLawlor

Slattsy wrote: »

First Lieutenant for me now.

Hoping Morris has given him some extensive schooling. Must have a great chance as I'm not buying into the Grand Crus hype.

It's not hype. He was a 170+ rated hurdler who has taken to fences really well. Travels and jumps as well as anything.

UrbanSea

Today I heard that another Gigginstown horse is out aswell, but can't remember for the life of me. Anyone care to refresh my memory?

Slattsy

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Slattsy wrote: »

First Lieutenant for me now.

Hoping Morris has given him some extensive schooling. Must have a great chance as I'm not buying into the Grand Crus hype.

It's not hype. He was a 170+ rated hurdler who has taken to fences really well. Travels and jumps as well as anything.

Ah I dunno Richie, just a feeling he's not as good as they make out. Hurdle ratings don't always apply to novice chasers, look at Time for Rupert.

UrbanSea

Aw ya. Quito De La Roque out of the GC too

Hoofer

Last Installment was never going to run in the RSA..Davy Russell was always going to ride First Lieutenant anyways..just watch this horse come cheltenham..hel power up the hill on better ground..as I said before Mouse will have his jumping well sorted and highly tuned for the RSA

Johner

Personally I wouldn't touch First Lieutenant, haven't been impressed with him over fences so far and really needs to improve his jumping.

Johner

Slattsy wrote: »

Ah I dunno Richie, just a feeling he's not as good as they make out. Hurdle ratings don't always apply to novice chasers, look at Time for Rupert.

I think Grands Crus is the real deal. He has been excellent in his 3 runs over fences so far.

Stewie Griffin

Throw in Bog Warrior and the Nicholls horse (name escapes me) and it's a tricky RSA.

Juwwi

Buena Vista has ran at the festival every year since 2005 and his record there at the festival is unreal.

2005 3rd in champion bumper beaten 6 1/4L by Missed That
2006 3rd in supreme novices hurdle beaten 1 1/2L by Noland
2007 6th in Arkle beaten 33L by My Way The Solzen
2008 5th in pertemps final h/cap hurdle beaten 7 3/4L by Ballyfitzin
2009 2nd in pertemps final h/cap hurdle beaten 2L by Kafy Aris
2010 1st in in pertemps final h/cap hurdle beat Prince Erik 5L
2011 1st in in pertemps final h/cap hurdle beat Son Amix 4L

Hes 20/1 again this year for the pertemps final.
His age at 11 must be a negative but he has to be worth a bet each way
on his festival form alone.

His current form is bad but its the same every year hes beaten out of sight in most races before cheltenham so that would'nt put me off.

convert

Right, this is the final warning - can we please keep this thread (and the others) on topic and quit the constant bickering which is, to be honest, very annoying. Anyone who can't behave will find themselves taking a holiday from the forum. If you've any queries, please drop me a PM. C

premierstone

Johner wrote: »

I think Grands Crus is the real deal. He has been excellent in his 3 runs over fences so far.

He jumps and travels like a dream but there most certainly has to be question marks over whether he truely stays a properly run 3M and if as I suspect he doesnt then the RSA is where he will be found out, at the moment Im leaning towards Bob's Worth, but an interesting one to consider is Sir Des Champs, I think they may redirect him here now that the other Giggingstown horse is out and he would have to have a serious chance.

ste2010

premierstone wrote: »

Johner wrote: »

I think Grands Crus is the real deal. He has been excellent in his 3 runs over fences so far.

He jumps and travels like a dream but there most certainly has to be question marks over whether he truely stays a properly run 3M and if as I suspect he doesnt then the RSA is where he will be found out,

Over fences maybe..over hurdles he had no problem. Genuine question - Would the bigger jumps have much impact on his staying ability?

HigginsJ

robbie1977 wrote: »

Buena Vista has ran at the festival every year since 2005 and his record there at the festival is unreal.

2005 3rd in champion bumper beaten 6 1/4L by Missed That
2006 3rd in supreme novices hurdle beaten 1 1/2L by Noland
2007 6th in Arkle beaten 33L by My Way The Solzen
2008 5th in pertemps final h/cap hurdle beaten 7 3/4L by Ballyfitzin
2009 2nd in pertemps final h/cap hurdle beaten 2L by Kafy Aris
2010 1st in in pertemps final h/cap hurdle beat Prince Erik 5L
2011 1st in in pertemps final h/cap hurdle beat Son Amix 4L

Hes 20/1 again this year for the pertemps final.
His age at 11 must be a negative but he has to be worth a bet each way
on his festival form alone.

His current form is bad but its the same every year hes beaten out of sight in most races before cheltenham so that would'nt put me off.

I have backed him for the last 4 years and will be doing the same this year. They keep the blinkers off him all year round and put them on for the festival. The last 2 years he has been ridden by 2 different claimers.

HigginsJ

ste2010 wrote: »

Over fences maybe..over hurdles he had no problem. Genuine question - Would the bigger jumps have much impact on his staying ability?

Horses tend to stay better the larger the obstacle as races tend to be run at a slower pace.

sq_forever

Posted about this horse the othe day. Just seen this on eircom.net.

Blue team wait on festival ground

Feb 15 2012, 12:17

Conor O'Dwyer is hoping there will be some cut in the ground to allow Folsom Blue to take his chance in the Albert Bartlett Novices' Hurdle at Cheltenham.

The extended three-mile contest is being considered for the Gigginstown House Stud-owned five-year-old, who has shown he handles testing conditions really well.

Trained by O'Dwyer, Folsom Blue has notched up a hat-trick of victories on soft and heavy ground at Limerick, Thurles and Clonmel.

He has stepped up in grade each time, with his latest success coming in a Listed race over two and three-quarter miles at the latter track.

"We've made no firm decision yet, but he came out of his last race in great form and we're thinking about it," said the Co Kildare-based handler.

"A lot would depend on the ground. He handles the Irish heavy ground very well, but Cheltenham is still on the agenda."

Folsom Blue is a best-priced 16-1 shot for the Albert Bartlett.

Slattsy

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Slattsy wrote: »

If SS wins on Friday, which he will now Que Card is out

Cue Card was never the biggest danger to Sprinter Sacre in the GS so his defection is a minor thing.

A novice on only his 3rd chase start against seasoned campaigners in an open Grade 2 cannot be considered banker material. Plenty have tried and failed no matter how good they turned out to be.

If SS is odds on this Friday I will be laying him big.

What price you laying SS buddy???

premierstone

ste2010 wrote: »

Over fences maybe..over hurdles he had no problem.

Personally Im not convinced he actually did stay three miles in a truly run race over hurdles, I think in last years World Hurdle he simply didnt stay, I could be wrong but that was my impression, he is still good enough to win the RSA but he ois one of the favs I think i'll be taking on

Slattsy

premierstone wrote: »

ste2010 wrote: »

Over fences maybe..over hurdles he had no problem.

Personally Im not convinced he actually did stay three miles in a truly run race over hurdles, I think in last years World Hurdle he simply didnt stay, I could be wrong but that was my impression, he is still good enough to win the RSA but he ois one of the favs I think i'll be taking on

Agree with this. One of the reasons I like First Lieutenant so much is because he looks like a thorough stayer and can see him outstaying everything.

Also, Scudamore on any horse is generally a lay for me.

UrbanSea

I liked the look of Nicholls' horse for the RSA after his last win at Cheltenham

mccarte2

Another poor run from Binocular today. Don't know how some people can still give this lad a shot in the Champion Hurdle.

ft9

mccarte2 wrote: »

Another poor run from Binocular today. Don't know how some people can still give this lad a shot in the Champion Hurdle.

LOL. The Horse Racing forum will never forget that classic Urban.

UrbanSea

I was just coming over here to post that.

Hoofer

mccarte2 wrote: »

Another poor run from Binocular today. Don't know how some people can still give this lad a shot in the Champion Hurdle.

will the real binocular please stand up please stand up lol

RichieLawlor

Slattsy wrote: »

What price you laying SS buddy???

Currently 1.6 ish. if you thin id offer a better price your wrong, why would i when i can lay him at that on betfair

Slattsy

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Slattsy wrote: »

What price you laying SS buddy???

Currently 1.6 ish. if you thin id offer a better price your wrong, why would i when i can lay him at that on betfair

Fair enough.

hucklebuck

premierstone wrote: »

Personally Im not convinced he actually did stay three miles in a truly run race over hurdles, I think in last years World Hurdle he simply didnt stay, I could be wrong but that was my impression, he is still good enough to win the RSA but he ois one of the favs I think i'll be taking on

You must be joking, he was eyeballing Big Bucks at the last hurdle and just got outbattled close to the line.

If anything Grands Crus will stay further this year, he is settling a lot better this season.

RichieLawlor

hucklebuck wrote: »

You must be joking, he was eyeballing Big Bucks at the last hurdle and just got outbattled close to the line.

If anything Grands Crus will stay further this year, he is settling a lot better this season.

Nope this is wrong. Grand Crus isnt an out and out stayer, He will get outstayed in the RSA.

klairondavis

Grands Crus didn't look like he got home in the French Champion Hurdle last backend. It may have been that he was over the top but he doesn't look like a real thorough stayer. The RSA is often a real slog and it nearly always goes to a real grinder of a horse (Weapons Amnesty, Bostons Angel, Cooldine, Denman, Rule Supreme, One Knight). I'm not sure that GC fits that profile.

Huntey

hucklebuck wrote: »

You must be joking, he was eyeballing Big Bucks at the last hurdle and just got outbattled close to the line.

Absolutely correct here.

I have reservations about whether he wants a true 3m test but last years World Hurdle isn't the correct race to judge that. They crawled around for a circuit and Grands Crus saw the trip out perfectly, he was simply out battled.

klairondavis wrote: »

Grands Crus didn't look like he got home in the French Champion Hurdle last backend.

He pulled like a train, you can put a line through that race when evaluating him.

klairondavis

Huntey wrote: »

He pulled like a train, you can put a line through that race when evaluating him.

What's to say he won't be too keen in the Sun Alliance? He looked good at Kempton but comparing that track to Cheltenham is like chalk and cheese.

Getoffmytrain

Grand crus has won 3 from 4 at Cheltenham, so the course wouldn't worry me at all.

Huntey

klairondavis wrote: »

What's to say he won't be too keen in the Sun Alliance? He looked good at Kempton but comparing that track to Cheltenham is like chalk and cheese.

Ok.

hucklebuck

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Nope this is wrong. Grand Crus isnt an out and out stayer, He will get outstayed in the RSA.

He isn't a dour stayer but he will see out the RSA trip. It is going to be a slower run affair than last years World and I can't see the 1/2 furlong beng any problem to him.

His jumping may well stop anything that stays from laying a glove on him even if he is empty in the last furlong which I doubt he will be.

The only horse I would be worried about is Join Together.

hucklebuck

klairondavis wrote: »

What's to say he won't be too keen in the Sun Alliance? He looked good at Kempton but comparing that track to Cheltenham is like chalk and cheese.

As I said Klarion, he settles much better in his races this season. Look how long it took Schu to settle him in the Cleeve compared with any race over fences. Plus he loves Cheltenham.

I understand what you are saying about the more dour stayers but Grands Crus could win this in the fashion of Denman, he certainly jumps and travels well enough.

I would not hesitate in backing GC in the Gold Cup if he ends up there and that is 2 furlongs further than the RSA.

Look at last years World Hurdle, it took Big Bucks to get him off the bridle and that was with Ruby getting to work. I thought it was a big race by Grands Crus and he saw every inch of it out.

Hulk Hands

I'm on Riverside Theatre to win on sat and the ryanair. 35/1 double

ste2010

Hulk Hands wrote: »

I'm on Riverside Theatre to win on sat and the ryanair. 35/1 double

Was that a seperate special somewhere HH or was it just picked for sat then you added Ryanair selection? Boylesports?

Hulk Hands

ste2010 wrote: »

Was that a seperate special somewhere HH or was it just picked for sat then you added Ryanair selection? Boylesports?

Picked it for sat then added. I dunno if it's right by rules but if the options there I suppose they have to pay out. Vc bet, purely because of odds. I'm sure it works in other spots