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Books everyone should read

  • 22-11-2011 5:16pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,645 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    I thought it'd be interesting to gather some book titles together on essential reading for the modern informed political person. If a book has a bias (i.e. Chomsky is leftish etc) then say it.


    The Ascent of Money: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ascent_of_Money

    If you're going to talk about the banking system you'd better know a bit about its history and why things are they way they are. A fascinating book, very informative and relatively neutral in analysis. Will not be satisfying to any committed Marxists I think.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    Hopefully not too off topic, but all 6 episodes of the documentary version of Ascent of Money is on 4oD.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 785 ✭✭✭ILikeBananas


    Great thread idea.

    Here's my submission:

    300px-The_Great_War_for_Civilisation_-_Dust_Jacket_-_Robert_Fisk.jpg

    It's an absolute tome but I found it a very informative read. Fisk wouldn't be the biggest fan of the state of Israel or American foreign policy but there's a lot more to it than that angle. If nothing else this book will educate the reader about numerous conflicts, revolutions and tragedies throughout the Arab world as well as in Iran, Afghanistan, Israel and Turkey.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 370 ✭✭wiseguy


    The leftie members of the site [an especially the "occupy movement" extremists] could do with a read of Animal Farm, before proceeding to read 1984 followed by The Gulag Archipelago

    On the economic front
    False Economy: A Surprising Economic History of the World
    Is worth a read, here is an extract
    the coverage of Argentina and its defaults as well as protectionist causes are covered


    as for Niall Ferguson mentioned by op, read his latest
    Civilization: The West and the Rest
    Also available on 4od if you dont want to read.

    His Virtual History: Alternatives and Counterfactuals is quite good if you are interested in history but thats going offtopic


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,672 ✭✭✭anymore


    The Bible - self explanatory,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,599 ✭✭✭matthew8


    wiseguy wrote: »
    The leftie members of the site [an especially the "occupy movement" extremists] could do with a read of Animal Farm, before proceeding to read 1984 followed by The Gulag Archipelago

    I haven't read the Gulag one, but though I'm libertarian I cringe when people tell leftists to read some George Orwell. He was a leftist, a communist until after the Spanish civil war, when he was still left of left. His concerns were more based around the labour party than anything, as it was becoming rather authoritarian. The books are fiction, nothing more. Excellent reads though, I always felt that politics takes away from 1984 as a book as people don't appreciate it for what it is.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭SamHarris


    The State of Africa - A History of 50 years of independance.

    Very good, an excellent overview of why Africa ended up the way it is. Especially important as we move out of the "Arab Spring".

    Jeruslaem: The Biography.

    It also deals with the surrounding area in some detail, from biblical times to present. Given the amount of outright lies so often laid out by people concerning the region it really is a must read. It gives an excellent basis for the Israeli Palestinian conflict, and really sheds a light on why the problems are so intractable.

    The Opium War, by Julia Lovele.

    Very good work for giving a basis on why the Chinese act as they do, and perceive the West as they do today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭Ostrom


    Never understood why a reading of / appreciation for Marx should be synonymous with socialist leanings. Volume one of Capital is a classic (if only as historical oddity).

    One of the first ambitious attempts at generating a coherent theory of history, critical discussion of previous economic thought, histories of the institutions of capitalism, commentaries on everything from classical philosophy to Darwin to the role of white bread in urban wage depression. Initiated a critical discussion which arguably laid the basis for modern economics via. the neoclassical labour theory of value debates.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,362 ✭✭✭Sergeant


    Postwar_book_tony_judt.jpg

    An absolute tome, but a fascinating and very readable account of Europe in the aftermath of the 2nd world war.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    +1 for 1984 and Animal Farm (although I say that as a Social Democrat ;))

    Deterring Democracy by Noam Chomsky
    Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman
    Conscience of a Liberal by Paul Krugman
    The Return of Depression Economics by Krugman.
    Political Ideologies by Andrew Haywood
    The Communist Manifesto by Marx
    The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith
    The Earth Shall Weep: cracking book on Native American History. A glossed over part of American history.
    Ditto for King Leopold's Ghost on BElgian colonialism.


    Teach Yourself Politics by Joyce was a great for me, something I often reccomend to people

    Politics in the Republic of Ireland by Coakley and Gallagher is excellent, encompassing everything from the court system to voting trends.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    A People's History of the United States - Howard Zinn

    Radical and controversial at the time, a great book that dispenses with the traditional method of detailing history.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭Suryavarman


    Defending the Undefendable by Walter Block. It is a great defense of the more "undesirable" members of our society such as the pimp, the blackmailer, the person that shouts fire in a crowded theater and many more. Available for free online here.

    Milton Friedman's Free to Choose. The book was made into a TV series which is available for free on Youtube here. The TV series did more to turn me into a libertarian than any other work.

    I'd also second the previous mentions of 1984 and Capitalism and Freedom.

    Finally I'll recommend the infamous Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. A survey once found that it was the most influential book behind the Bible. When it was first released it was widely panned by critics. A widely divisive book but one that I personally consider a masterpiece.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    Collapse by Jared Diamond


  • Registered Users Posts: 301 ✭✭Ellian


    Pretty much anything by Thomas Paine.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭PRAF


    goose2005 wrote: »
    Collapse by Jared Diamond

    Read it, one of the best books I ever read. Reads a bit like a college manual but cracking content in it. Guns, Germs and Steel by the same author is similarly great.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,645 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    PRAF wrote: »
    Read it, one of the best books I ever read. Reads a bit like a college manual but cracking content in it. Guns, Germs and Steel by the same author is similarly great.

    Yeah, I'd second Guns, Germs and Steel.


    I'd also add Steven Pinker's The Blank Slate and his Angels or our better Nature as well as good preps on human nature in the first instance and the decline of violence in the second.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭doomed


    Finally I'll recommend the infamous Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. A survey once found that it was the most influential book behind the Bible. When it was first released it was widely panned by critics. A widely divisive book but one that I personally consider a masterpiece.


    I suspect that survey had a fair bit in common with the one that voted Ronnie O'Brien as Juventus player of the century.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭Valmont


    Great idea for a thread! I can think of a few I want to read already.

    It's a work of fiction but also a philosophical treatise and a meditation on the real nature of the engines of progress: rational self-interest, individual rights, and a free economy.

    AtlasShrugged.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭Kinski


    matthew8 wrote: »
    The books are fiction, nothing more. Excellent reads though, I always felt that politics takes away from 1984 as a book as people don't appreciate it for what it is.

    1984 is a highly political novel by a highly political author; it's counter-intuitive to assert that discussing politics in relation to his work somehow detracts from our understanding of it.
    efla wrote: »
    Never understood why a reading of / appreciation for Marx should be synonymous with socialist leanings. Volume one of Capital is a classic (if only as historical oddity).

    One of the first ambitious attempts at generating a coherent theory of history, critical discussion of previous economic thought, histories of the institutions of capitalism, commentaries on everything from classical philosophy to Darwin to the role of white bread in urban wage depression. Initiated a critical discussion which arguably laid the basis for modern economics via. the neoclassical labour theory of value debates.

    How can you claim that it kicked off a "discussion which arguably laid the basis for modern economics", and yet also describe it is as an "historical oddity"?:confused:

    Though anyone who is interested in reading Capital: Volume One could view the videos of David Harvey's seminar course while reading the book; and if they are interested in following that up with a Marxist interpretation of the current crisis, they could also read Harvey's The Enigma of Capital.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    The 48 laws of power.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭Ostrom


    Kinski wrote: »
    How can you claim that it kicked off a "discussion which arguably laid the basis for modern economics", and yet also describe it is as an "historical oddity"?:confused:

    Because it did?

    The neoclassical turn came about primarily due to the marginal utility / labour theory of value debates around the turn of the century and later. Arguably one of the single most influential academic debates in human history which formed a new paradigmatic basis for later 'strong programme' quantitative economics.

    Harvey himself states as much in The Limits to Capital

    The 'historical oddity' comment is not my own view - it seemed a less threatening invitation to read :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭Kinski


    efla wrote: »
    The 'historical oddity' comment is not my own view - it seemed a less threatening invitation to read :)

    That was all I was picking you up on. I'd consider a book like Ignatius L. Donnelly's Atlantis: The Antediluvian World to be an example of an "historical oddity"; it seemed a strange description to apply to such a famous and influential text, but I understand now why you used it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭latenia


    The Great Crash,1929 by JK Galbraith. Accessible and readable for anyone and remarkably prescient when applied to Ireland. Almost every paragraph contains one beautifully written sentence that shines with insight and truth.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Crash,_1929


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭Byron85


    Shake Hands With the Devil: The Failure of Humanity in Rwanda - Lt. Gen Romeo Dallaire
    The New Rulers of the World - John Pilger
    The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe
    Discipline and Punish - Micheal Foucault
    The Moral Landscape - Sam Harris (Not politics related per se, but the possible implications of what is discussed in it definitely applies to politics.)
    Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History - Norman Finkelstein

    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Would you be able to recommend any Friedman actually?


    Also, I read Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land not long ago. Great read!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,362 ✭✭✭Sergeant


    Hayek: The Road to Serfdom. A compelling treatise that propagates the theory that socialism and fascism have/had common roots in their desire to have ultimate control over the individual. Doesn't really deal with social democracy, or how the early exponents envisaged it.

    Francis Spufford: Red Plenty. A wonderful and very eccentric book that details some of the economic policies of the Soviet Union under Khrushchev. It's fiction, but it's a book about economics at the same time. Told in a series of short stories. I highly recommend it, without being able to properly explain or elucidate what it's about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,645 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    latenia wrote: »
    The Great Crash,1929 by JK Galbraith. Accessible and readable for anyone and remarkably prescient when applied to Ireland. Almost every paragraph contains one beautifully written sentence that shines with insight and truth.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Crash,_1929

    Great book that one. Never more relevant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭Valmont


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    Reading this right now but the laughter is papering over the educational benefits I think...


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Soldie


    Byron85 wrote: »
    Would you be able to recommend any Friedman actually?

    Capitalism and Freedom is an informative and concise book.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,443 ✭✭✭Byron85


    Soldie wrote: »
    Capitalism and Freedom is an informative and concise book.


    Cheers. Will add it to the list of roughly 15 other books i've to through in the mean time. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 788 ✭✭✭SupaNova


    I much prefer Rothbard's America's Great Depression. Rothbard begins presenting the different theories of the boom bust and the flaws of each before going on to give an account from a Misean perspective. There is also a recording of Rothbard criticizing Friedman available on mises.org. Friedman's view of the Great Depression is covered:
    http://mises.org/media/2322/On-Milton-Friedman

    I really would not recommend Human Action lightly. I am re-reading from start to finish at the moment. The first time i gave up and selectively came back to it and read parts of it as i pleased, it is not for the feint of heart. For someone who wants to get a very good feel for Mises without reading a 1000 page treatise, he gave 6 lectures to a lay audience in Buenos Aires that is available as a pdf. For the average person I would highly recommend reading this instead of Human Action:
    http://mises.org/etexts/ecopol.pdf

    If one is enthusiastic, and has the time to consume a treatise on Economics, and wants the Austrian perspective, i would recommend Man Economy and State over Human Action, but if you have the time to read a treatise you probably have the time to read both.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    From a conservative PoV that I've read:
    • The Uses of Pessimism: and the Danger of False Hope by Rodger Scruton
    • Parliament of Whores by P. J. O'Rourke
    • History of the peloponnesian war by Thucydides
    • Reflections on the revolution in France By Burke
    • Sacred Causes: Religion and Politics from the European Dictators to Al Qaeda by Michael Burleigh


  • Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭Fergus_Nash


    I don't have any books but what is the general consensus of Hayek?



    (I love watching the Keynes vs Hayek rap video)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    Soldie wrote: »
    Capitalism and Freedom is an informative and concise book.

    Yes, I found it a very good read (albeit I disagree with Friedman on most issues)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    I should also add Globalisation and its Discontent by Stiglitz.

    That was the book that got me interested in both politics and economics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭Suryavarman


    SupaNova wrote: »
    I much prefer Rothbard's America's Great Depression. Rothbard begins presenting the different theories of the boom bust and the flaws of each before going on to give an account from a Misean perspective. There is also a recording of Rothbard criticizing Friedman available on mises.org. Friedman's view of the Great Depression is covered:
    http://mises.org/media/2322/On-Milton-Friedman

    Excellent book. Give's a really good insight into what caused the Great Depression and what Hoover attempted to do to try bring it to an end. I don't think it's possible to believe that capitalism caused the Great Depression or that Hoover was a laissez-faire president after reading this book.
    I really would not recommend Human Action lightly. I am re-reading from start to finish at the moment. The first time i gave up and selectively came back to it and read parts of it as i pleased, it is not for the feint of heart. For someone who wants to get a very good feel for Mises without reading a 1000 page treatise, he gave 6 lectures to a lay audience in Buenos Aires that is available as a pdf. For the average person I would highly recommend reading this instead of Human Action:
    http://mises.org/etexts/ecopol.pdf

    If one is enthusiastic, and has the time to consume a treatise on Economics, and wants the Austrian perspective, i would recommend Man Economy and State over Human Action, but if you have the time to read a treatise you probably have the time to read both.

    If your having trouble with Human action then maybe you could try Robert Murphy's study guide.

    He has one for Man Economy and State as well.

    I can't say that I've read either, but they are there if anyone wants them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    The Republic - Plato
    The Bible - Multiple authors
    Magna Carta - Multiple authors
    Leviathan - Hobbes
    95 Theses - Luther
    Social Contract and Discourses - Rousseau
    The Prince - Machiavelli
    Vindiciae contra tyrannos - "Stephen Junius Brutus"
    Elements of the Philosophy of Right - Hegel
    Beyond Good and Evil - Nietzche
    A house divided against itself cannot stand - Lincoln
    Mein Kampf - Hitler
    Schuman Declaration - Schuman
    Strategies of Containment - Gaddis

    as per the OP.

    And all of the above are very biased


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    I recently read Francis Wheen's biography of Karl Marx. It was a superb and entertaining read, from a non-Marxist writer which explodes a few of the myths surrounding Marx. The one conclusion I drew from reading it is that Marx wouldn't have got on too well with many of those who called themselves his disciples over the course of the 20th century.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭Ostrom


    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    I recently read Francis Wheen's biography of Karl Marx. It was a superb and entertaining read, from a non-Marxist writer which explodes a few of the myths surrounding Marx. The one conclusion I drew from reading it is that Marx wouldn't have got on too well with many of those who called themselves his disciples over the course of the 20th century.

    Aye, a very enjoyable read. On that point, there are a few books all professing Marxists should read;

    John Hutnyk's Bad Marxism - more of an insiders auto-critique, but does a good job of separating more relevant applications from the distortions of cultural studies

    Raymond Aron's The Opium of the Intellectuals - timeless account of academic institutionalisation and political philosophy

    Joseph Schumpeter's Capitalism, Socialism and Democracy - for one of the more balanced critiques of Marxism (particularly part one - which is presented in a manner similar to that of Aron)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭Plautus


    Manach wrote: »
    From a conservative PoV that I've read:
    • The Uses of Pessimism: and the Danger of False Hope by Rodger Scruton
    • Parliament of Whores by P. J. O'Rourke
    • History of the peloponnesian war by Thucydides
    • Reflections on the revolution in France By Burke
    • Sacred Causes: Religion and Politics from the European Dictators to Al Qaeda by Michael Burleigh

    Would Thucydides really be a 'conservative' though? I know he's a fall back for foreign policy realists, who claim him as a prototype, but I think that might lie in a misinterpretation of the Melian Dialogue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,911 ✭✭✭bradlente


    The Republic - Plato
    The Bible - Multiple authors
    Magna Carta - Multiple authors
    Leviathan - Hobbes
    95 Theses - Luther
    Social Contract and Discourses - Rousseau
    The Prince - Machiavelli
    Vindiciae contra tyrannos - "Stephen Junius Brutus"
    Elements of the Philosophy of Right - Hegel
    Beyond Good and Evil - Nietzche
    A house divided against itself cannot stand - Lincoln
    Mein Kampf - Hitler
    Schuman Declaration - Schuman
    Strategies of Containment - Gaddis

    as per the OP.

    And all of the above are very biased

    Surely you jest good sir?

    :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭AhSureTisGrand


    Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. The one that gets compared to 1984. It's not as overtly political as its companion, but it really gets you thinking about your views, whatever they may be. By my reading, it is anti-utilitarianism and anti-materialism


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭Duke Leonal Felmet


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    A look at the short twentieth century through the eyes of a communist, although I didn't sense an enormous bias (bar the glossing over of the odd communist mishap). I would also recommend:

    age-revolution-hobsbawm-e-j-paperback-cover-art.jpg


    However, for both books, I would recommend some basic knowledge of these eras, as he makes assumptions on the readers knowledge.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    Manach wrote: »
    From a conservative PoV that I've read:
    • The Uses of Pessimism: and the Danger of False Hope by Rodger Scruton
    • Parliament of Whores by P. J. O'Rourke
    • History of the peloponnesian war by Thucydides
    • Reflections on the revolution in France By Burke
    • Sacred Causes: Religion and Politics from the European Dictators to Al Qaeda by Michael Burleigh

    I really enjoyed Michael Burleigh's "The Third Reich: A Complete History" but I found Sacred Causes bizarre - he seemed to have nothing good to say about the modern world and the bits about Ireland were highly inaccurate and like something out of Punch magazine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,616 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Id second PBs reccomendation of "The Mystery of Capital: Why Capitalism Triumphs in the West and Fails Everywhere Else" by Hernando de Soto. Its an excellent book which explores the reasons for why the West >>>> Rest in the modern economic order. And what the Rest can do about it.

    "Banana Republic: The Failure of the Irish State and How to Fix It" - Anthony Sweeney - Well written exploration of the problems within the Irish state and policymaking, with the presentation of solutions and ideas. It challenges a lot of the pessimism that surrounds us.

    "We did nothing" by Linda Polman - account of a reporters presence in several UN missions. The Rwanda episode is particularly tragic.

    "The Future of Freedom: Illiberal Democracy at Home and Abroad" by Fareed Zakaria - explores if individual freedom is actually served by more and more democracy, which is a common view these days.

    "Rubicon: The Triumph and Tragedy of the Roman Republic" by Tom Holland - basically a case study of the dangers of illiberal democracy and populist "reformers" laid out by Fareed Zakaria. Everything Caesar did was in the cause of the common working man...

    "Empires of the Sea: The Final Battle for the Mediterranean, 1521-1580" by Roger Crowley - Not quite sure this is a political book as such, but its a brilliant book covering an earlier, nearly forgotten "clash of civillisations" when Ottoman fleets ravaged the coasts of Europe from Cyprus to Italy to France to Spain punctuated by the terrible siege of Malta and the Battle of Lepanto, a naval battle up there with Salamis, Trafalgar and Midway in terms of historical import. Fantastic read.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 785 ✭✭✭ILikeBananas


    A house divided against itself cannot stand - Lincoln

    Sounds very relevant to US politics these days


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 465 ✭✭pacquiao


    Great thread idea.

    Here's my submission:

    300px-The_Great_War_for_Civilisation_-_Dust_Jacket_-_Robert_Fisk.jpg

    It's an absolute tome but I found it a very informative read. Fisk wouldn't be the biggest fan of the state of Israel or American foreign policy but there's a lot more to it than that angle. If nothing else this book will educate the reader about numerous conflicts, revolutions and tragedies throughout the Arab world as well as in Iran, Afghanistan, Israel and Turkey.
    Serious question. Does he mention Churchill being a Zionist?

    My own recommendation would be


    Currency Wars
    The Making of the Next Global Crisis

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    Manach wrote: »
    Sacred Causes: Religion and Politics from the European Dictators to Al Qaeda by Michael Burleigh

    Utter tosh from a pro-agendaic curmudgeon and shows not much more than an inability to transcribe research properly if researched at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭Duke Leonal Felmet


    JustinDee wrote: »
    Manach wrote: »
    Sacred Causes: Religion and Politics from the European Dictators to Al Qaeda by Michael Burleigh

    Utter tosh from a pro-agendaic curmudgeon and shows not much more than an inability to transcribe research properly if researched at all.

    Just a suggestion, but could we leave this sort of posting out of the thread? Or else it is just doomed to being closed at some future date. What do people/mods think?


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