Black girl raped by 4 white teens.

My_left_leg

I might be wrong but is nt this the 2nd such incidence of a black girl being raped by white teens this week?

http://www.herald.ie/news/race-rape-of-girl-16-2942663.html

pragmatic1

Yeah read a bit about that yesterday. WTF is wrong with people.

orourkeda

Rape is rape.

Why draw a distinction? Women and girls of all backgrounds are assaulted in this manner and I see no reason why her racial background has been brought into this.

Rape should be treated with the same severity as murder regardless of the victims background

hondasam

My_left_leg wrote: »

I might be wrong but is nt this the 2nd such incidence of a black girl being raped by white teens this week?

http://www.herald.ie/news/race-rape-of-girl-16-2942663.html

I don't think you should focus on the girls colour, Rapist are not usually picky.

KINGVictor

orourkeda wrote: »

Rape is rape.

Why draw a distinction? Women and girls of all backgrounds are assaulted in this manner and I see no reason why her racial background has been brought into this.

Rape should be treated with the same severity as murder regardless of the victims background

Yeah you are correct but I wonder if the response would have been measured if it was 4 Nigerian men that raped an Irish girl...

Degsy

More crap from the Herald...now with added racism.

parrai

Animals

HalloweenJack

We don't know the whole story so won't make any judgements on the rapists' motives in this case.

However, it's not always as simple as "rape is rape". Rape is commonly used as a weapon in civil wars drawn on ethnic lines, i.e. the idea is raping the women of your enemies will "de-purify" them and advance your side's ethnicity. This happened in Rwanda, the Congo and Bosnia. It's definitely a case that rape can be used in a racist way and it's not always as simple as controlling the person.

arse..biscuits

"Race Rape" should sell more copies and generate more profit than boring old "Rape"

orourkeda

KINGVictor wrote: »

Yeah you are correct but I wonder if the response would have been measured if it was 4 Nigerian men that raped an Irish girl...

It's peoples own business how they react to a sexual assault but any reasonable person shouldn't be deflected from the seriousness of a rape by mere skin colour.

dsmythy

The Herald must have read the bastard rapists minds as to their reason for raping someone.

bbam

orourkeda wrote: »

Rape should be treated with the same severity as murder

It should be but unfortunately in this country that means being pampered in relative luxury at the expense of the tax payer...

My idea of an appropriate punishment would involve a 6 x 6 cell, window would be optional (but would replace the need for a light), chair, mattress and a ****ter in the corner...

No.. books, tv, phone, drugs, family contact, x-box, play station, fresh air, strolls round Dublin, Christmas days out...

I think we should be looking at a decent deterrent rather than rehabilitation..

Assholes would quickly realise that being locked up would MEAN being locked up and they would fear being caught..

44leto

4 of the cnuts Jesus,

Degsy

HalloweenJack wrote: »

We don't know the whole story so won't make any judgements on the rapists' motives in this case..

But you will anyway...

HalloweenJack wrote: »

However, it's not always as simple as "rape is rape". Rape is commonly used as a weapon in civil wars drawn on ethnic lines, i.e. the idea is raping the women of your enemies will "de-purify" them and advance your side's ethnicity. This happened in Rwanda, the Congo and Bosnia. It's definitely a case that rape can be used in a racist way and it's not always as simple as controlling the person.

Irish Voodoo practioners are also known to be active in the area.:rolleyes:

orourkeda

parrai wrote: »

Animals

Animals dont commit rape.

Chuck Stone

KINGVictor wrote: »

Yeah you are correct but I wonder if the response would have been measured if it was 4 Nigerian men that raped an Irish girl...

Depends if they were black Nigerians I suppose.

My_left_leg

HalloweenJack wrote: »

We don't know the whole story so won't make any judgements on the rapists' motives in this case.

However, it's not always as simple as "rape is rape". Rape is commonly used as a weapon in civil wars drawn on ethnic lines, i.e. the idea is raping the women of your enemies will "de-purify" them and advance your side's ethnicity. This happened in Rwanda, the Congo and Bosnia. It's definitely a case that rape can be used in a racist way and it's not always as simple as controlling the person.

yes i agree Jack. one of the more intelligent contributions thus far.
i recall from my history classes that the Russians were quite keen on it after they fought the Nazis back in 1945.

orourkeda

HalloweenJack wrote: »

We don't know the whole story so won't make any judgements on the rapists' motives in this case.

However, it's not always as simple as "rape is rape". Rape is commonly used as a weapon in civil wars drawn on ethnic lines, i.e. the idea is raping the women of your enemies will "de-purify" them and advance your side's ethnicity. This happened in Rwanda, the Congo and Bosnia. It's definitely a case that rape can be used in a racist way and it's not always as simple as controlling the person.

Are the motives really that important?

Captain Chaos

orourkeda wrote: »

Animals dont commit rape.

You need to watch National Geographic more.

arse..biscuits

HalloweenJack wrote: »

We don't know the whole story so won't make any judgements on the rapists' motives in this case.

However, it's not always as simple as "rape is rape". Rape is commonly used as a weapon in civil wars drawn on ethnic lines, i.e. the idea is raping the women of your enemies will "de-purify" them and advance your side's ethnicity. This happened in Rwanda, the Congo and Bosnia. It's definitely a case that rape can be used in a racist way and it's not always as simple as controlling the person.

Hey Steo, wanna advance our ethnicity later?

parrai

orourkeda wrote: »

Animals dont commit rape.

Fair play, you are dead right.... vicious mindless cnuts to do that to ANY 16 year old child... ruin the start of her life...

Siuin

orourkeda wrote: »

Animals dont commit rape.

Ducks, geese, bottlenose dolphins and chimpanzees do

My_left_leg

orourkeda wrote: »

Animals dont commit rape.

WRONG!

Rats & Chimps have been known to practise rape as a means of enforcing dominance in a social group.

Ask a blond (male/female) to walk down Johannesburg in the wee hours if you don't believe me!

RachaelVO

orourkeda wrote: »

Rape is rape.

Why draw a distinction? Women and girls of all backgrounds are assaulted in this manner and I see no reason why her racial background has been brought into this.

Rape should be treated with the same severity as murder regardless of the victims background

I was thinking that exact same thing! Thing is though, if it was the other way around there would be MURDER, and the headlines would be screaming for it!

Poor girl, hope she's getting all the help she's gonna need!

Geekness1234

bbam wrote: »

It should be but unfortunately in this country that means being pampered in relative luxury at the expense of the tax payer...

My idea of an appropriate punishment would involve a 6 x 6 cell, window would be optional (but would replace the need for a light), chair, mattress and a ****ter in the corner...

No.. books, tv, phone, drugs, family contact, x-box, play station, fresh air, strolls round Dublin, Christmas days out...

I think we should be looking at a decent deterrent rather than rehabilitation..

Assholes would quickly realise that being locked up would MEAN being locked up and they would fear being caught..

Here we go,another "reform the prison system" post.
These posts hijack every thread about crime in general.

orourkeda

bbam wrote: »

It should be but unfortunately in this country that means being pampered in relative luxury at the expense of the tax payer...

My idea of an appropriate punishment would involve a 6 x 6 cell, window would be optional (but would replace the need for a light), chair, mattress and a ****ter in the corner...

No.. books, tv, phone, drugs, family contact, x-box, play station, fresh air, strolls round Dublin, Christmas days out...

I think we should be looking at a decent deterrent rather than rehabilitation..

Assholes would quickly realise that being locked up would MEAN being locked up and they would fear being caught..

The punishment should fit the crime.

Rape will change a victims life to varying degrees. Depending on the victim of course and I dare say that each case is different but no other crime apart from the obvious effects of murder and manslaughter have the power to ruin someones life like rape does.

orourkeda

RachaelVO wrote: »

I was thinking that exact same thing! Thing is though, if it was the other way around there would be MURDER, and the headlines would be screaming for it!

Poor girl, hope she's getting all the help she's gonna need!

That says more about the people reacting than anything else

HalloweenJack

Degsy wrote: »

But you will anyway...

The second part of my post isn't my take on the first part. I was merely pointing out that in some instances of rape, the ethnicity of the person can be a factor. In this case, it might be, it might not.

But it definitely was a factor for the Serbs raping Bosnian Muslims in the early 90's, for one example.

RachaelVO

Siuin wrote: »

Ducks, geese, bottlenose dolphins and chimpanzees do

They use it differently though. Its mostl touching genitals as a form of social interaction and a way of keeping the group (pack, school, gaggle, flock whatever you want to call it) close so they will come together against an attacker. (and other reasons I'm sure)

Seen some mad documentarys on it. It's particularly common in the monkeys and dophins

orourkeda

Captain Chaos wrote: »

You need to watch National Geographic more.

Yeah. I must tune in for the next instalment of Johnannesburg rat rape

RichieC

KINGVictor wrote: »

Yeah you are correct but I wonder if the response would have been measured if it was 4 Nigerian men that raped an Irish girl...

No that would be used as proof that Nigerians are all animals. :rolleyes:

RachaelVO

orourkeda wrote: »

That says more about the people reacting than anything else

That's very true. Rape is Rape, fails to matter what colour skin the victim is wrapped in!

It's a truly fcuked place sometimes!!!

KINGVictor

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Depends if they were black Nigerians I suppose.

True, I totally forgot to make that distinction which we have found out is very important these days.

Like someone said, we should not jump to conclusions, maybe the girl was hallucinating and made this all up but the wise thing to do is wait for it to get to court .

orourkeda

Captain Chaos wrote: »

You need to watch National Geographic more.

Animal rape. Sounds like a wonderful nights viewing

bbam

Geekness1234 wrote: »

Here we go,another "reform the prison system" post.
These posts hijack every thread about crime in general.

Maybe that's just how people feel..
I've not posted it before but I think the system is just too soft...

orourkeda

bbam wrote: »

Maybe that's just how people feel..
I've not posted it before but I think the system is just too soft...

By the same token the death penalty has never worked as an effective deterrent. Tough prisons dont either.

Geekness1234

bbam wrote: »

Maybe that's just how people feel..
I've not posted it before but I think the system is just too soft...

If someone is willing to gang rape a women with 3 of his friends I don't think he cares about how tough the prison is.

ThelotusKid

Would have downloaded it if the title read 'One white girl raped by four black men'.

P.S Saw an Irish wolfhound(male) rape a mongrel terrier type(male) yesterday - not on d'internet, right outside my frontdoor.

It actually frightened me.

Siuin

RachaelVO wrote: »

They use it differently though. Its mostl touching genitals as a form of social interaction and a way of keeping the group (pack, school, gaggle, flock whatever you want to call it) close so they will come together against an attacker.

Seen some mad documentarys on it. It's particularly common in the monkeys and dophins

But...but... according to wikipedia (the fountain of all knowledge) it's also called 'coercive sex' and it seems a little more than genital touching!

It has long been noted that behavior resembling rape in humans is widespread in other animals, including ducks and geese, bottlenose dolphins [1] and chimpanzees.[2] Indeed in orangutangs, close human relatives, copulations of this nature may account for up to half of all observed matings.[3] Such behaviours, referred to as ‘forced copulations’, involve an animal being approached and sexually penetrated whilst it struggles or attempts to escape. These observations of forced sex among animals are not controversial. What is controversial is the interpretation of these observations and the extension of theories based on them to humans. “Thornhill introduces this theory by describing the sexual behavior of scorpion flies. In which the male may gain sex from the female either by presenting a gift of food during courtship or without a nuptial offering, in which case force is necessary to restrain her.” [4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociobiological_theories_of_rape#Animal_coercive_sex

My_left_leg

in parts of Africa it's considered a "cure" for HIV/AIDS.
i think the victim needs to be a virgin.:eek:

Paparazzo

orourkeda wrote: »

Rape is rape.

na na, nana-na

Doc Ruby

Geekness1234 wrote: »

If someone is willing to gang rape a women with 3 of his friends I don't think he cares about how tough the prison is.

Sounds like the lowest form of coward to me, rather than some double hard crimmy for whom prison holds no terrors.

KINGVictor

My_left_leg wrote: »

in parts of Africa it's considered a "cure" for HIV/AIDS.
i think the victim needs to be a virgin.:eek:

I have heard that before and that is just pure evil, similar to the gross sexual abuse of young girls and boys in Ireland over the years.

My_left_leg

KINGVictor wrote: »

I have heard that before and that is just pure evil, similar to the gross sexual abuse of young girls and boys in Ireland over the years.

i dont understand? did the Christian Buggers have AIDS too?
maybe they thought it was a cure for having bandy culchie legs:eek:

KINGVictor

My_left_leg wrote: »

i dont understand? did the Christian Buggers have AIDS too?
maybe they thought it was a cure for having bandy culchie legs:eek:

What exactly is your point and your motive? Whatever the motive behind the rape, a crime was committed and the perpetrators should be brought to justice.

ascanbe

There's nothing in the report to suggest it was motivated by race.
If the reporter/s have evidence or reason to believe that it was in any way motivated by race then it may have been legitimate to report it as a 'possibly racially-motivated attack'.
Given that the report would suggest they have no evidence of this i don't see why they wouldn't simply report it as they would any other attack; unless, of course, their concentrating on the racial aspect is a calculated ploy to excite more comment.

KINGVictor

ascanbe wrote: »

There's nothing in the report to suggest it was motivated by race.
If the reporter/s have evidence or reason to believe that it was in any way motivated by race then it may have been legitimate to report it as a 'possibly racially-motivated attack'.
Given that the report would suggest they have no evidence of this i don't see why they wouldn't simply report it as they would any other attack; unless, of course, their concentrating on the racial aspect is a calculated ploy to excite more comment.

I understand what you are saying but that is the way news is generally reported in this country. In every crime committed by Non-nationals, not only is the fact that they are non-Irish highlighted but they also disclose the country they come from.

The reality is that if it was black guys that raped a white girl, that would have gone viral all over the world at this stage and would have generated a far bigger response on AH. I understand people do not like this or any event to be associated to racism but they also have to accept that there is a very plausible possibility that this might be the case.

44leto

I am not sure of this, but this is the first time I ever heard or read about a gang rape in Ireland, is it the first??

Its kind of hard to imagine the types that would do such a thing.

RichieC

KINGVictor wrote: »

The reality is that if it was black guys that raped a white girl, that would have gone viral all over the world at this stage and would have generated a far bigger response on AH. I understand people do not like this or any event to be associated to racism but they also have to accept that there is a very plausible possibility that this might be the case.

Fact.

strobe

44leto wrote: »

I am not sure of this, but this is the first time I ever heard or read about a gang rape in Ireland, is it the first?

'Tis not, unfortunately.

Simtech

hondasam wrote: »

I don't think you should focus on the girls colour, Rapist are not usually picky.

Why not? The girls colour likely allowed them to dehumanise her enough to carry out the act. Why, after all, did they not rape the white girl they were with if rape was all that was on their minds.